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Are you truly asking that question. She was stating that she doesn’t have to advertise it, while many in the actively homosexual community do so!!!
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Cinette
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C’mon can’t you see I was trying to make a point?
I have NEVER in all my life had to make this statement. This is the very first time and I am a Grandmother!
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Many want to get on their “soap box” but few are really willing to make the sacrifices to change anything.
That changed yesterday!!!
Homosexuals don’t want the right to be promiscuious or voyaristic;
Yes they do! Have you ever seen the French Quarter in New Orleans, LA? Have you ever seen a Gay Pride Parade? And they want to change our children’s thinking, and they want to redefine marriage…which is the very core of civilization.
just the right to carry health care for their partner and the right to make medical desicions.
They can already do that…by law. All that they have to do is get something notorized and filed at the clerk of courts office. That law has been in effect. They want to redefine marriage…which is the very core of civilization.
Gay marriage isn’t about marriage at all. It is about the freedom to have legal rights to run a household together.
Nope. They already have it.
Statistically, the homosexuals who want to be legally partnered are not the ones most would call “flamers” or " dikes".
***You are wrong. I know a couple. They are a committed couple, and going out on the town, bringing extra lovers home for orgies…while the children are at home mind you. And when they are in public, they are constantly saying how glad they are to be lesbians, because of how horrible men are in EVERY way. And then they are vulgar about it.
This is a couple who have been committed to each other for years.
This is not to say that everyone is like them…but they are certainly in the numbers. And they are the ones who are pushing for the laws to be changed, and for it to be shoved down my children’s throats at school.
The extremes are what makes most people uncomfortable with the idea not the respectable couple down the street. ***I have no problem with the couple down the street, as long as it is not being thrown out and shoved down my children’s throats. The couple down the street are wonderful people in every other way. And I respect their dignity as human beings, and they respect mine. They are not trying to convert me…as they are aware of my feelings about their actions. And I have never insulted them in any way. I pray for people them, and I try to be a loving example of Jesus. And if the opportunity presents itself, I talk to them about Jesus…but I would not dream of condoning their actions.
I am not an “in your face” kind of person. But I will stand up for my rights, and my children and my Church.***
The problem is not homosexuality but the over sexed nation we have become. If sex in general was unacceptable, this would not even be a debate at all. I don’t want to see anyone sitting on a park bench making out (male-female; female-female; man- man; transvestite) I would like to protect my daughters from that but it is impossible unless I am going to homeschool them and never let them out of my sight. I can only impower my daughters with the knowledge of right and wrong. I pray every night for my girls to have a hedge of protection and I trust God to keep them safe from harm. Just like when children first start to toddle, we cannot wrap them in bubble wrap (though we would like to) their hearts and minds cannot be bubble wrapped either. If we do our job as parents, our children will be fine. But we do not have to stand by and do nothing while these immoral people…both homo and hetero…change our laws. We have rights! And we have voices! We need to use them, or more souls will be lost to eternal damnation. We are obligated to do what we can to stop the evil from spreading. We are called, chosen to be witnesses of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
Don’t teach your children to hate the homosexuals (that is what caused the KKK).
I teach my children to love the sinner, hate the sin.
Teach them to love thy neighbor as thy self and hate the sin but love the sinner. Telling someone they are going to hell for their sin (just saying it not using scripture and doing it with contempt not love) will not “win” any souls.
This is absolutely correct. Jesus was our very best example, and He taught us with love. But He also tore apart the market place at the synagague. And He told the Jewish hierarchy the TRUTH, whether it made them uncomfortable or not. There are a number of things He said that made the disciples and crowds leave and stop following Him. But the Apostles asked Him, “Lord, if we leave You, to whom should we go? You have the words of eternal life.” We need to be like the Apostles.
To change someone’s heart we must approach them with love, understanding, and the grace of God (we have all recieved so much of ourselves).
We all have our sins and unless you have never sinned (Jesus) we don’t have the right to condem anyone else for their sin.
By calling a sin a sin, and fighting its influence on our society by changing laws is NOT condemnation.
Many want to get on their “soap box” but few are really willing to make the sacrifices to change anything.
That changed yesterday!!!
Homosexuals don’t want the right to be promiscuious or voyaristic;
Yes they do! Have you ever seen the French Quarter in New Orleans, LA? Have you ever seen a Gay Pride Parade? And they want to change our children’s thinking, and they want to redefine marriage…which is the very core of civilization.
just the right to carry health care for their partner and the right to make medical desicions.
They can already do that…by law. All that they have to do is get something notorized and filed at the clerk of courts office. That law has been in effect. They want to redefine marriage…which is the very core of civilization.
Gay marriage isn’t about marriage at all. It is about the freedom to have legal rights to run a household together.
Nope. They already have it.
Statistically, the homosexuals who want to be legally partnered are not the ones most would call “flamers” or " dikes".
***You are wrong. I know a couple. They are a committed couple, and going out on the town, bringing extra lovers home for orgies…while the children are at home mind you. And when they are in public, they are constantly saying how glad they are to be lesbians, because of how horrible men are in EVERY way. And then they are vulgar about it.
This is a couple who have been committed to each other for years.
This is not to say that everyone is like them…but they are certainly in the numbers. And they are the ones who are pushing for the laws to be changed, and for it to be shoved down my children’s throats at school.
The extremes are what makes most people uncomfortable with the idea not the respectable couple down the street. ***I have no problem with the couple down the street, as long as it is not being thrown out and shoved down my children’s throats. The couple down the street are wonderful people in every other way. And I respect their dignity as human beings, and they respect mine. They are not trying to convert me…as they are aware of my feelings about their actions. And I have never insulted them in any way. I pray for people them, and I try to be a loving example of Jesus. And if the opportunity presents itself, I talk to them about Jesus…but I would not dream of condoning their actions.
I am not an “in your face” kind of person. But I will stand up for my rights, and my children and my Church.***
The problem is not homosexuality but the over sexed nation we have become. If sex in general was unacceptable, this would not even be a debate at all. I don’t want to see anyone sitting on a park bench making out (male-female; female-female; man- man; transvestite) I would like to protect my daughters from that but it is impossible unless I am going to homeschool them and never let them out of my sight. I can only impower my daughters with the knowledge of right and wrong. I pray every night for my girls to have a hedge of protection and I trust God to keep them safe from harm. Just like when children first start to toddle, we cannot wrap them in bubble wrap (though we would like to) their hearts and minds cannot be bubble wrapped either. If we do our job as parents, our children will be fine. But we do not have to stand by and do nothing while these immoral people…both homo and hetero…change our laws. We have rights! And we have voices! We need to use them, or more souls will be lost to eternal damnation. We are obligated to do what we can to stop the evil from spreading. We are called, chosen to be witnesses of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
Don’t teach your children to hate the homosexuals (that is what caused the KKK).
I teach my children to love the sinner, hate the sin.
Teach them to love thy neighbor as thy self and hate the sin but love the sinner. Telling someone they are going to hell for their sin (just saying it not using scripture and doing it with contempt not love) will not “win” any souls.
This is absolutely correct. Jesus was our very best example, and He taught us with love. But He also tore apart the market place at the synagague. And He told the Jewish hierarchy the TRUTH, whether it made them uncomfortable or not. There are a number of things He said that made the disciples and crowds leave and stop following Him. But the Apostles asked Him, “Lord, if we leave You, to whom should we go? You have the words of eternal life.” We need to be like the Apostles.
To change someone’s heart we must approach them with love, understanding, and the grace of God (we have all recieved so much of ourselves).
We all have our sins and unless you have never sinned (Jesus) we don’t have the right to condem anyone else for their sin.
By calling a sin a sin, and fighting its influence on our society by changing laws is NOT condemnation.
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kathyw1025
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Cinette first of all
Back in the good old days when you grew up (which I presume was at leat 30 years ago …no disrespect intended but it does make a point of why you would not have known about homosexuality until then) homosexuality was not on the forefront. I have however, grown up in a rural Kentucky town and known about homosexuality my whole life. Children today do not have the luxury of not knowing it is out there. Our children WILL be faced with this and we as parents must be prepared to explain it to them.
Secondly…some states do not allow domestic partnerships. I presume your state does or you would know that. The word marriage is a religious term not a legal one in origin. I agree entirely gay marriage should not be called gay marriage but a union. The homosexual population should be able to have the same LEGAL rights to co exist. I may not agree with their choice but this is the USA and they have the right to live life as they see fit. We DO however, have the right to not allow our children be bombarded with images of sexuality. Parenting takes a very diligent effort and we must stay on top of it or our children will raise themselves.
I am a single mother of 2 daughters going to school full time. I understand not having enough hours in the day. I still find the time to police their activities and TV. I determine what my children are allowed to see, hear, and experience. I don’t need to whine, cry, and generally be nasty about what OTHER people are doing. It is none of my business. What is my business is to educate and empower my daughters to deal with the corruption of today/
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Jesus N Cherie
Homeschooling is rather cheap but very time consuming. I understand that you want to force other people to change to accomodate your beliefs becasue you cannot afford to educate your children as you would like. Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all. I am a public school teacher making a rather small amount of money and a single parent. My ex husband does not pay child support. I do however make the sacrifice of money to send my children to my local Catholic school. It is very hard to make ends meet and we live in a small trailor where my daughters must share a room and I drive an older model car. I bet you live in a house and your children have their own rooms but you worry so much about their education. If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
We all make choices so don’t get self righteous on me about you not doing what is best for your children.
And you are condoning what the schools are teaching by sending your children there. So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
Homeschooling is rather cheap but very time consuming. I understand that you want to force other people to change to accomodate your beliefs becasue you cannot afford to educate your children as you would like. Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all. I am a public school teacher making a rather small amount of money and a single parent. My ex husband does not pay child support. I do however make the sacrifice of money to send my children to my local Catholic school. It is very hard to make ends meet and we live in a small trailor where my daughters must share a room and I drive an older model car. I bet you live in a house and your children have their own rooms but you worry so much about their education. If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
We all make choices so don’t get self righteous on me about you not doing what is best for your children.
And you are condoning what the schools are teaching by sending your children there. So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
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Jesus_N_Cherie
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It is this kind of attitude of “My only concern is myself and my loved ones” rather than be concerned about society as a whole that put us in this mess to begin with. This is not the Christian way. We need to raise our voices and make sure we are heard in the political parts of our society. Our priests and bishops need to teach from the pulpit so that this kind of mindset will not go on. Had we fought harder, Roe vs. Wade would not have been accomplished.
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Cinette
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kathyw1025;4314305:
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In our effort to be righteous, we forget that God doesn’t see any sin as worse than another. ***Homosexual actions are intrinsically evil according to the Roman Catholic Church. They should never be supported.***Just because homosexuality is a “public” sin, does not give us the right to badger them. You misunderstand. I am not going after homosexuals. They are trying to force me to accept as natural and moral and lawful their immoral, unnatural and unlawful behavior! They bring it into my children’s class room, and then they tell me that there is nothing that I can do about it. They try to change laws to redefine marriage. I have gone after no one. They are comming after me, my children, my government and my Church.
You say then - I don’t want my children exposed to such sin.
It is a fact of life homosexuality exists and your children will eventually see it. It is our job as parents to teach our children right from wrong and pretending it doesn’t exist is irresponcible. Wouldn’t you rather your children experience dealing with differeent people with you by their side to guide them instead of learning about it in college?
***Telling me that my 7 year old should stand up in his class and tell his teacher that he believes that what she is teaching is wrong is not the way to go about this. If he learns about God’s Laws from me at home, is he not supposed to act on them at school? And is he not supposed to do as Jesus commanded and bring the good news to all of the world. So, is that command not supposed to include my children?
And will that not be extremely confusing to my children. They are with me, and they are taught that sin is sin is sin is sin…and then I send them to learn from their teachers at school? What kind of mixed messages are my kids going to get?
And let me also say that no one in the public schools that I went to taught me about homosexuality, or treating people with dignity. And I did just fine…loving all people without prejudice to anything other than sin…as an adult. My children are every bit as intelligent as I was…so I do not think that they should be indoctrinated into homosexuality at school in order to deal with it as adults.
And keep in mind that the Communist Party knew that if they wanted to accomplish atheism in one or two generations, they had to BEGIN with teaching it to the smallest of children…in a school environment that was out of the control of the parents. Sounds like what they are doing with the homosexual movement.
I will NOT just stand by and accept it like a lamb going quietly to the slaughter.***
I think we are debating the wrong question entirely. The homosexuals are not going to go away or “back into the closet”. However; if we took an effort to remove the sex from our society (both homosexual and heterosexual) it would be an accomplishable task.
I agree totally!!! The schools nor government have NO business or right to teach my children about ANY kind of sex!!! And my children should not have to be exposed to any kind of it at school…even through their high school years. Sex is meant to be a private thing, between man and woman…behind closed doors.
I personally do not want my daughters exposed at a young age to sex at all. I watch all TV with my daughters so I know what they are seeing. I am also involved with their teachers so I know when an unacceptable topic is being taught so that I can go over it with my daughters first. If public school is teaching your children something you don’t approve of, homeschool. If that is not an option (well I can’t cause I have to work) then don’t complain.
***That is unfair, and prejudiced against poor people who do not have the choices that wealthier families have. that is just wrong. What you are saying is that poor people, and what they learn or do not learn is unimportant to themselves, their families, their communities or society as a whole. That is what got us into the mess with all of these out of wedlock babies and welfare states in inner cities in the first place. The rich didn’t accept it at all, and the poor had no choices given to them. And they still do not have choices today, despite Obama’s community organization. ***
If you are not willing and able to change something you see as flawed in the teaching of our young people, then politely be quiet.
***My voice is being raised. I am willing and able to change something. And we will do it the same way it was done to us. With raised voices and community awareness and action. Only, we won’t be lying…and we will TRULY be working for the betterment of society!!!
How dare you tell me to be quiet simply because I am not rich enough to change laws?***
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This is tragic, unjust and plain horrible - this is a mortal SIN that is being committed against society.
This kind of thing can foment hatred against homosexuals.
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Cinette
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Your greatest weapon is prayer of course. What a dreadful story.
I am from South Africa and I am sure you have heard of Nelson Mandela. Well he signed the bill for legal abortion while he was President. My husband says he believes that Mandela didn’t fully realise what he did!!!
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Hi Fran,Hi Leela,
First off, I believe in evolution. It does not contradict my faith.
However, it is not empirical. It has not and cannot be observed because of its mechanism and the millennia involved. We infer its existence, we have not observed it.
Empirical means learned through observation. It is based on the latin word empiricus which means experienced. Now, I know that you are not claiming that you or anyone else has experienced evolution. Evolution best explains our observations, but it is not itself empirical. If another, better explanation came along then we would go with that instead.
It is therefore different from actually seeing the sun rise in the morning and set in the evening or from seeing an object hit the ground when dropped.
If I said its a theory you will probably start on about creationism and ID, but you and I both know that’s not what I mean.
See?
You seem to be using a very narrow definition of empirical? If we were to apply that definition (directly experienced) in the way that Buffalo wants (he says schools shouldn’t teach anything that is not empirical), what is it that is worth knowing that actually could be taught in school?
I think a better definition of empirical as it applies to scientific theories is “capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment.” Evolutionary theory fits the bill. Wouldn’t you say?
It is not experienced as directly as the low quality of the condition of sitting on a hot stove, but it can and has been verified? Carbon dating? The fossil record? Industrial melanism? DNA? It is easy and common to generate new evidence that is consistent with the theory. And it is falsifiable? Any of the above could have disproved it but instead confirmed it. And if we ever find a rabbit from the Precambrain…?
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Cinette
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This is a horrible posting with two Catholics at each other’s throats. Kathy you are being ungracious and uncharitable. You are supposed to love and not to judge.
Cherie - I commend you for your sacrifice and pain.
Surely the government can force your husbands (Kathy and Cherie) to pay child support? Surely you must be protected?
I can fully understand your pain and will pray for you
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sodak
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The State has cleverly wrestled control from parents by requiring schooling, which might or might not have been a bad thing. But by controlling what is taught in schools, then the State has begun imposing it’s values upon us. It’s happening every day. Many people can’t fight it, they are too busy trying to make a living. But that doesn’t make it right.
Jesus N Cherie, I wish you were our next door neighbor!
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kathyw1025
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Homeschooling is rather cheap but very time consuming. I understand that you want to force other people to change to accomodate your beliefs becasue you cannot afford to educate your children as you would like.
I am not screaming for change. They are the ones who brought change, and are making me and the rest of society swallow it. They have no right to teach homosexuality in schools. This is something relatively new. So why do you claim that I want them to change, rather than just wanting them to leave my children alone. This is a horrible propaganda fraud to get others to feel guilty about not wanting to have sinful, immoral behavior (which has no place in a school environment) shoved down our children’s throats. I have not asked any homosexual person not to be homosexual. I have the right to demand that when my children go to school, they are not being brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is a good thing!!! And it wasn’t 30 years ago that I was in school. And no one was teaching about homosexuality then!!! You are using a strawman to justify the changes that YOU want to bring about in schools.
It is hate like this that causes poeple to go out an kill each other in the name of Jesus. We are not asking to “shove” homosexuality down anyones throat and though some do, it is not the majority. Tolerence gives children the ability to live harmoniously in society. As a PUBLIC school teacher, I deal with a wide variety of students. Some are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Mennonite, and Atheist. I must (though I disagree with their beliefs) treat them with respect and dignity. I also teach heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual youths. I have to strive to make each of these factors a “non issue”. It is not about forcing beliefs on anyone but giveing each student a culture of acceptance.
Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all.
You are wrong. There is no place for it in an environment where children are forced by law to be.
No place for tolerance? Or the Bible? THe Bible has no business within a Government that stands to not force religion upon its people.
I am a public school teacher making a rather small amount of money and a single parent. My ex husband does not pay child support.
I also am a single mom of 4 children. My ex husband has NEVER paid me a cent!
That sucks but you see education as a right not a privilage. You should be thankful someone takes the time to educate your child at all. I don’t care if you are rich or poor. It really is NOT MY PROBLEM. You should put the dead beat in jail and try to not have more children than you can afford. Tough to say I know but if you can’t afford to have a child, don’t have sex. It is not my problem to worry about your children because you made a bbad choice in having them.
I do however make the sacrifice of money to send my children to my local Catholic school.
That is a cop out argument. It is a “see, I take care to make sure that my children are not in that environment. And I don’t care about anyone else’s child!”
It is not a cop out. Your arguement that we should only teach what YOU want taught is a cop out. I obviously care about other people’s children becasue I teach them everyday.
It is very hard to make ends meet and we live in a small trailor where my daughters must share a room and I drive an older model car. I bet you live in a house and your children have their own rooms but you worry so much about their education.
And you would lose that bet hands down!!! We are way below poverty level.
Have a cookie for your poor pitiful life. Do you want to see who can spit farther now?
If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
YOU ARE SO JUDGEMENTAL THAT IT SICKENS ME!!!
Says the pot calling the kettle black!!
We all make choices so don’t get self righteous on me about you not doing what is best for your children.
I have given up MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR things for the good of my children!!!
Again that sucks. I went to school while working to support my children and not only did things for their betterment but I pulled us up out poverty.
And you are condoning what the schools are teaching by sending your children there.
I do not have a choice about where I send my children to school!!! It is the choice between eating and having shelter, or homeschooling!!!
Again if you wanted to change that bad enough, you would find a way. Determination is a real key here.
So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE MAJOR SACRIFICES I HAVE MADE!!! Your prejudice against poor people is totally relevant in this conversation!!!
I may not know the exact sacrifices (agin I don’t really care) but I assure you I have had to fight my way up from the bottom of the barrel. When I left my ex, I was pregnant with my second, severely beaten up, with no job, no money, and no education. I had to work my way up to support us so don’t say I am prejudice against poor people. THere are too many programs allowing single parents to go to school to use the “I can’t get a good job because I have no education” cop out. If you want to have sucess, you can it is up to you to make it happen.
I am not screaming for change. They are the ones who brought change, and are making me and the rest of society swallow it. They have no right to teach homosexuality in schools. This is something relatively new. So why do you claim that I want them to change, rather than just wanting them to leave my children alone. This is a horrible propaganda fraud to get others to feel guilty about not wanting to have sinful, immoral behavior (which has no place in a school environment) shoved down our children’s throats. I have not asked any homosexual person not to be homosexual. I have the right to demand that when my children go to school, they are not being brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is a good thing!!! And it wasn’t 30 years ago that I was in school. And no one was teaching about homosexuality then!!! You are using a strawman to justify the changes that YOU want to bring about in schools.
It is hate like this that causes poeple to go out an kill each other in the name of Jesus. We are not asking to “shove” homosexuality down anyones throat and though some do, it is not the majority. Tolerence gives children the ability to live harmoniously in society. As a PUBLIC school teacher, I deal with a wide variety of students. Some are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Mennonite, and Atheist. I must (though I disagree with their beliefs) treat them with respect and dignity. I also teach heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual youths. I have to strive to make each of these factors a “non issue”. It is not about forcing beliefs on anyone but giveing each student a culture of acceptance.
Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all.
You are wrong. There is no place for it in an environment where children are forced by law to be.
No place for tolerance? Or the Bible? THe Bible has no business within a Government that stands to not force religion upon its people.
I am a public school teacher making a rather small amount of money and a single parent. My ex husband does not pay child support.
I also am a single mom of 4 children. My ex husband has NEVER paid me a cent!
That sucks but you see education as a right not a privilage. You should be thankful someone takes the time to educate your child at all. I don’t care if you are rich or poor. It really is NOT MY PROBLEM. You should put the dead beat in jail and try to not have more children than you can afford. Tough to say I know but if you can’t afford to have a child, don’t have sex. It is not my problem to worry about your children because you made a bbad choice in having them.
I do however make the sacrifice of money to send my children to my local Catholic school.
That is a cop out argument. It is a “see, I take care to make sure that my children are not in that environment. And I don’t care about anyone else’s child!”
It is not a cop out. Your arguement that we should only teach what YOU want taught is a cop out. I obviously care about other people’s children becasue I teach them everyday.
It is very hard to make ends meet and we live in a small trailor where my daughters must share a room and I drive an older model car. I bet you live in a house and your children have their own rooms but you worry so much about their education.
And you would lose that bet hands down!!! We are way below poverty level.
Have a cookie for your poor pitiful life. Do you want to see who can spit farther now?
If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
YOU ARE SO JUDGEMENTAL THAT IT SICKENS ME!!!
Says the pot calling the kettle black!!
We all make choices so don’t get self righteous on me about you not doing what is best for your children.
I have given up MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR things for the good of my children!!!
Again that sucks. I went to school while working to support my children and not only did things for their betterment but I pulled us up out poverty.
And you are condoning what the schools are teaching by sending your children there.
I do not have a choice about where I send my children to school!!! It is the choice between eating and having shelter, or homeschooling!!!
Again if you wanted to change that bad enough, you would find a way. Determination is a real key here.
So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE MAJOR SACRIFICES I HAVE MADE!!! Your prejudice against poor people is totally relevant in this conversation!!!
I may not know the exact sacrifices (agin I don’t really care) but I assure you I have had to fight my way up from the bottom of the barrel. When I left my ex, I was pregnant with my second, severely beaten up, with no job, no money, and no education. I had to work my way up to support us so don’t say I am prejudice against poor people. THere are too many programs allowing single parents to go to school to use the “I can’t get a good job because I have no education” cop out. If you want to have sucess, you can it is up to you to make it happen.
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kathyw1025
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This is a horrible posting with two Catholics at each other’s throats. Kathy you are being ungracious and uncharitable. You are supposed to love and not to judge.
I agree entirely this is a horrible posting. I have to listen to these exact arguements from parents everyday telling me not to teach evolution and other “non Christian” beliefs. It is not my job to make your children believe anything. It IS my job to present all the facts. It is also my job to give each student the right to come into class without being perscuted for their sexual orientation. My students are confused enough without being told they are “going to Hell” because of their orientation. Some parents feel their child is some how more important and we (teachers) should protect them from real experiences. I cannot spend my day making sure anyone’s child doesn’t get taught about different religions or sexual orientations. All I can do is make it known that there are alternative lifestyles and while we may not always agree with that lifestyle, we must accept that person. If it is really that serious of an issue parents have done some very extraordinary things to change their child’s school. (None of which was expensive).
Cherie - I commend you for your sacrifice and pain.
Surely the government can force your husbands (Kathy and Cherie) to pay child support? Surely you must be protected?
My husband stays in jail. Jail is the only resource the court has to force him to pay and it has not worked. If he ever gets a job, his wages will be garnished. Legally I am protected but truthfully there is nothing the government can do that it is not already doing.
I can fully understand your pain and will pray for you
K
kathyw1025
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Originally Posted by kathyw1025
Jesus N Cherie
Homeschooling is rather cheap but very time consuming. I understand that you want to force other people to change to accomodate your beliefs becasue you cannot afford to educate your children as you would like.
That’s not what she is saying at all, as you very well know. Don’t try to change her words.
Yes that is exactly what she is saying. I didn’t have to change her words because she said she can’t afford to homeschool. Most private Christian schools offer scholarships for needy children. Other schools offer Script programs where you purchase gift cards to places you already shop to pay your tuition.
Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all.
No, we mustn’t. I wouldn’t have tolerated Hitler, and neither did my family. They fought him.
That is totally different and you know it. Hitler was unacceptable because he was KILLING people. He thought we should rid the world of a certain population (hmmm…sounds familiar). That was totally unacceptable and we muct accept the Jewishs as well as the KKK as members of our society. We do not agree with their message but we must deal with them any way.
If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
So much for tolerance.
I totally tolerate the fact she is poor but I pay my taxes to give her welfare to support her children.
So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
What was that again about tolerance?
Again I pay the taxes for her children to go to school and teach many just like them.
The State has cleverly wrestled control from parents by requiring schooling, which might or might not have been a bad thing. But by controlling what is taught in schools, then the State has begun imposing it’s values upon us. It’s happening every day. Many people can’t fight it, they are too busy trying to make a living. But that doesn’t make it right.
I never said it was right just a fact of life we must all cope with. People had this same discussion when we stopped segregation. Should we put the “blacks” back in their place? What about the Japanese (the US government put them in holding camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor) ? Things are constantly changing and we can’t change the world but we CAN change how our households run. We can teach our children right from wrong. We CANNOT however get rid of the homosexuals (or blacks or Japanese or Jews)
Jesus N Cherie, I wish you were our next door neighbor!
Originally Posted by kathyw1025
Jesus N Cherie
Homeschooling is rather cheap but very time consuming. I understand that you want to force other people to change to accomodate your beliefs becasue you cannot afford to educate your children as you would like.
That’s not what she is saying at all, as you very well know. Don’t try to change her words.
Yes that is exactly what she is saying. I didn’t have to change her words because she said she can’t afford to homeschool. Most private Christian schools offer scholarships for needy children. Other schools offer Script programs where you purchase gift cards to places you already shop to pay your tuition.
Since our government can’t use the Bible (that whole …government will not force upon its people a certain religion) for the basis of not teaching something, we must teach tolerance for all.
No, we mustn’t. I wouldn’t have tolerated Hitler, and neither did my family. They fought him.
That is totally different and you know it. Hitler was unacceptable because he was KILLING people. He thought we should rid the world of a certain population (hmmm…sounds familiar). That was totally unacceptable and we muct accept the Jewishs as well as the KKK as members of our society. We do not agree with their message but we must deal with them any way.
If you lived a little more efficently and felt it was THAT necessary - you would find a way to send your children to private school or homeschool them.
So much for tolerance.
I totally tolerate the fact she is poor but I pay my taxes to give her welfare to support her children.
So again if you are un willing to make the sacrifice, please stop running your mouth.
What was that again about tolerance?
Again I pay the taxes for her children to go to school and teach many just like them.
The State has cleverly wrestled control from parents by requiring schooling, which might or might not have been a bad thing. But by controlling what is taught in schools, then the State has begun imposing it’s values upon us. It’s happening every day. Many people can’t fight it, they are too busy trying to make a living. But that doesn’t make it right.
I never said it was right just a fact of life we must all cope with. People had this same discussion when we stopped segregation. Should we put the “blacks” back in their place? What about the Japanese (the US government put them in holding camps after the bombing of Pearl Harbor) ? Things are constantly changing and we can’t change the world but we CAN change how our households run. We can teach our children right from wrong. We CANNOT however get rid of the homosexuals (or blacks or Japanese or Jews)
Jesus N Cherie, I wish you were our next door neighbor!
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sodak
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When has that EVER happened? Not speaking out against evil has allowed communism to take over and kill over 100 million people on this planet.
Duly noted and reported to the moderators.
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Michael_Francis
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