Are we biological robots in the eyes of God?

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Are we beloved biological robots, complete with a soul and “freewill?” Able to procreate to the point of there being close to 7 billion of us here on earth! Did God produce us for a specific purpose in mind, to subdue the earth?

Do a Google on “biological robots” and see that mankind is now able to produce simple biological robots capable of finding the shortest distance between 2 points and able to perform complex computations!

I look forward to your responses! Viewing ourselves as robots produces a strong sense of humility!
 
I don’t think that it would be possible for a robot of any kind, biological or not, to have a free will. At least I don’t think it’s possible yet. Maybe with future technology it would be possible but I don’t think it is now.

Regardless, we are worth far more than robots to God.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
(John 3:16-18 RSV)

In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name. Hitherto you have asked nothing in my name; ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. “I have said this to you in figures; the hour is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures but tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in my name; and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from the Father. I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”
(John 16:23-28 RSV)

"I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
(John 17:20-24 RSV)

Jesus loved us so much that He said the above things. This is true love. No greater love is there than that someone would die for his friends. And we are God’s friends but more than that, we are also His creation.

As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. This I command you, to love one another.
(John 15:9-17 RSV)
 
Of course we are not biological robots - we are human beings - THE MERE FACT THAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS QUESTION shows that you have a individual mind. You are not a robot - if you were a robot, you would not even have the power to ask this unique and radical question in the first place.

God bless,
NguyenKimPhat
Luke 24:29
 
Being a biological robot produces a strong sense of humility? How so? We are our programming. Robots don’t care or love or feel humility.

God set up a relationship between himself and man. Then our parents committed Original Sin. Then the just God sent His Son as a sacrifice to restore the broken relationship. Each one of us is willed to be.

God bless,
Ed
 
No, not even close to humility in thinking about the prospect of being a biological soul filled robot.
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The concept of man as “meatbot” is not new, as it is what materialism tends to view mankind as. But it seems to me that the responder who said that you can’t be, because you asked the question, has a good point. And I must say that while the Church’s stance made sense to me up to the point that I had a profound and life changing insight about the nature of mind and personality, I now consider that position to be a necessary public stance because the actual situation, as I and some others see it, is way out there and impossible to grasp as an intellectual assertion.

But I am quite assured that while there is a range of stages of awareness from egg to Sage, and some many dimensions of intellectual, aesthetic, intellectual, and moral ability form zero to god-like, we are anything but meatbots. If we are lacking in anything, it is perspective and training in our more elevated possibilities, similarly to feral children who don’t fit into our current level of consensus civilization. But we have far far more potential than meat, or AI could conceive of.

M
 
God created us to share in His love. In his own image yet as individuals.

Robots are generally all identical (when created en masse for a specific reason). There is nothing general about the human race other than having been created in God’s image.
 
Am I off my rocker believing that we are a bunch of biological robots living in exile or are people in a state of denial?
 
Am I off my rocker believing that we are a bunch of biological robots living in exile or are people in a state of denial?
Robert, I’m wondering why you see this, as far as I can tell from this quote, as an “either/or” question? I’ve come to view Creation as a glorification of transcendence. To me that means, albeit oversimplified, that as the Universe expands, it expands as well in the organization of matter as more and more refined vehicles for what we call Soul or even awareness. I confess that I believe that there are other forms elsewhere that also have the dimension of soul, but that is speculation.

Nevertheless, it seems to me that while there is a mechanistic aspect to the human (and what a miraculously intricate structure that is!) and perhaps even an instinctual one, there is nevertheless a potential present in humankind, even if it is evidently little taken advantage of. We are more than matter. And we are not, essentially, the body, though through ignorance and lack of maturity, we tend to identify with both it and mind. Essentially we are Conscious Awareness Soul. And that is why many practice religion, a word which means “to tie back to.” And what we tie back to is that part which is made in the image and likeness of God, and the ligatures are the teachings we accept as given by God as best we see them.

We also can develop our awareness into higher states of appreciation of who and what we are and by extension apply that to others. And there is some question about the utility of distributing our self perception over all of humanity. Maturity, indeed, seems to be a process of disidentifying with the narcissism of the infant, hopefully into the vision of a Saint who sees everyone as a Child of God. Animals don’t do that, and meat can’t do that. But at the same time, we have this wonderful imagination that can play adult versions of “let’s pretend.” We might all have done this as kids, and had disagreements about what the game is. When we read the news, we can see that most of us are still there. But that is why we want to seek and live what is most Universally True. For my part, those who succeed at that and demonstrably love their fellow man prove that there is more than a mechanistic mind or even one restricted to heard or hive mentalities. In other words, the ability to create newness in relationships, art, technology, and community is beyond the scope of “exiled” meatbots.

But as one man said when asked “What is a zombie?” he replied “One who walks the twilight zone thinking thoughts not their own. Don’t be one.” So while there are people who are “mechanically” inclined, that doesn’t have to be your way. You and we can choose, by virtue of vision and example, a happier, higher Way. What comes off as the feeling of exile is simply the unfulfilled innate knowing that “I am more then this” and the desire to be with and God. It is the desire to earn Home. That takes effort, and if the literature is correct, even includes a “dark night of the Soul.” So for all you know, that feeling, if you have it, might actually be a good sign. Go figure. And go find out.
 
Robert, I’m wondering why you see this, as far as I can tell from this quote, as an “either/or” question? I’ve come to view Creation as a glorification of transcendence. To me that means, albeit oversimplified, that as the Universe expands, it expands as well in the organization of matter as more and more refined vehicles for what we call Soul or even awareness. I confess that I believe that there are other forms elsewhere that also have the dimension of soul, but that is speculation.

Nevertheless, it seems to me that while there is a mechanistic aspect to the human (and what a miraculously intricate structure that is!) and perhaps even an instinctual one, there is nevertheless a potential present in humankind, even if it is evidently little taken advantage of. We are more than matter. And we are not, essentially, the body, though through ignorance and lack of maturity, we tend to identify with both it and mind. Essentially we are Conscious Awareness Soul. And that is why many practice religion, a word which means “to tie back to.” And what we tie back to is that part which is made in the image and likeness of God, and the ligatures are the teachings we accept as given by God as best we see them.

We also can develop our awareness into higher states of appreciation of who and what we are and by extension apply that to others. And there is some question about the utility of distributing our self perception over all of humanity. Maturity, indeed, seems to be a process of disidentifying with the narcissism of the infant, hopefully into the vision of a Saint who sees everyone as a Child of God. Animals don’t do that, and meat can’t do that. But at the same time, we have this wonderful imagination that can play adult versions of “let’s pretend.” We might all have done this as kids, and had disagreements about what the game is. When we read the news, we can see that most of us are still there. But that is why we want to seek and live what is most Universally True. For my part, those who succeed at that and demonstrably love their fellow man prove that there is more than a mechanistic mind or even one restricted to heard or hive mentalities. In other words, the ability to create newness in relationships, art, technology, and community is beyond the scope of “exiled” meatbots.

But as one man said when asked “What is a zombie?” he replied “One who walks the twilight zone thinking thoughts not their own. Don’t be one.” So while there are people who are “mechanically” inclined, that doesn’t have to be your way. You and we can choose, by virtue of vision and example, a happier, higher Way. What comes off as the feeling of exile is simply the unfulfilled innate knowing that “I am more then this” and the desire to be with and God. It is the desire to earn Home. That takes effort, and if the literature is correct, even includes a “dark night of the Soul.” So for all you know, that feeling, if you have it, might actually be a good sign. Go figure. And go find out.
Thanks for your reply and words of encouragement!

I have come to love my Lord my God with all my heart and with all my soul and with all my mind and with all my strength. I’m not suicidal but I long for the day when I’m released from the confinement of this earthly body and enter into the glory of Heaven. Surely we live in exile here in this world! And surely, these bodies will be viewed as most primitive once we comprehend our glorified bodies in the World-to-Come.

It’s all a matter of where one focuses one’s attention. I’m tired of this life and I focus all my attention on life in the riches of Heaven. For example, the more I dwell on this life the more the more I am aware of my own wretchedness. Take a close look at the the burdens of this life! Woe to those who love this miserable and corruptible life! The needs of these bodies are gross and burdensome! For example, to eat mutilated chicken is gross beyond comparison. (It was in my preparing chicken for the first time that I became aware of just how primitive we are in this world. Sense and see. Tell me we are not meatbots!)

I won’t dwell much more but I encourage you to read The Imitation of Christ, Chapter 22 of Book One. This chapter paints a bleak picture of this life, but points one to the glory of Heaven. The Golden Key to Heaven by Saint Anthony Mary Claret is another great book. Here is a sample:

*The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, “Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!” . . . (Ps. 119:5). He ceases not to ask with the Apostle, “. . . Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (Rom. 7:24)
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Are we beloved biological robots, complete with a soul and “freewill?” Able to procreate to the point of there being close to 7 billion of us here on earth! Did God produce us for a specific purpose in mind, to subdue the earth?

Do a Google on “biological robots” and see that mankind is now able to produce simple biological robots capable of finding the shortest distance between 2 points and able to perform complex computations!

I look forward to your responses! Viewing ourselves as robots produces a strong sense of humility!
I flat out refuse to be a biological robot.
:frighten:
 
Are we beloved biological robots, complete with a soul and “freewill?” Able to procreate to the point of there being close to 7 billion of us here on earth! Did God produce us for a specific purpose in mind, to subdue the earth?

Do a Google on “biological robots” and see that mankind is now able to produce simple biological robots capable of finding the shortest distance between 2 points and able to perform complex computations!

I look forward to your responses! Viewing ourselves as robots produces a strong sense of humility!
Please look at the thread “It from bit” to get some other notions about whether AI (Artificial Intelligence) is feasible.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7190938#post7190938
 
I flat out refuse to be a biological robot.
:frighten:
Hi Granny,

It may not happen till you’re on your deathbed, but you may well come to the knowledge that these bodies are ever so wretched. Take it from one Catholic who has been around, this life is not all that it’s made out to be. Take a close look at the pain and suffering in this world, like the cholera outbreak in Haiti, and know that there’s something infinitely greater above us. We are all living in exile here on earth! Take the time to imagine that!!! What I talk about is real. Just wait until you become aware of glorified bodies in the World-to-Come. The “good” things in this life are a sham!!! “The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.” John 12:25.

Every day I pray for death. There’s nothing else I want from this life. Why is it that people with severe major depression have a more accurate interpretation of this world than do “normal” people? I know what I’m talking about here. In addition to experiencing severe major depression, I’m a psychologist; I have a Ph.D. in research psychology. But all I have accomplished is as nothing! I recognize that I’m nothing but a “meatbot” here in this world.

Take good care,
Robert
 
Hi Granny,

It may not happen till you’re on your deathbed, but you may well come to the knowledge that these bodies are ever so wretched. Take it from one Catholic who has been around, this life is not all that it’s made out to be. Take a close look at the pain and suffering in this world, like the cholera outbreak in Haiti, and know that there’s something infinitely greater above us. We are all living in exile here on earth! Take the time to imagine that!!! What I talk about is real. Just wait until you become aware of glorified bodies in the World-to-Come. The “good” things in this life are a sham!!! “The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.” John 12:25.

Every day I pray for death. There’s nothing else I want from this life. Why is it that people with severe major depression have a more accurate interpretation of this world than do “normal” people? I know what I’m talking about here. In addition to experiencing severe major depression, I’m a psychologist; I have a Ph.D. in research psychology. But all I have accomplished is as nothing! I recognize that I’m nothing but a “meatbot” here in this world.

Take good care,
Robert
I, and I’m sure, many others will pray for you.
God be with you.
 
We are all living in exile here on earth! Take the time to imagine that!!!
Robert, being on Earth “in exile” implies that we came here from somewhere else that we lived before, and that we were expelled from that place. Are you arguing for the preexistence of humans before birth? If so, where were we before our conception? And why and by whom were we exiled, and by what mechanism did we get here on Earth?
 
I don’t know, Robert. Here’s the thing: my take is that we tend to experience what we focus on. And I have to ask myself, “Who made this world, whose ideas does Nature reflect?” OK, I have some difficulties, and yes there are horrific things happening in the news. But it’s the business of the media and of satan nowadays to cause emotional furor in order to get attention and sell, sell, sell. But if God created this world, then whatever people are doing in it, our ability to appreciate Beauty and Love must be a chosen foretaste of Heaven.

I know it has to be a deliberate decision, but the one I made was to praise God by admiring the world I was put in. And part of that appreciation is to elevate and edify God’s Love, and the wonders that are inherent in our circumstances. I’m not by myself here. So if the evil that parades falsely is what gets my attention and preoccupies my mind to the point that I want to get out, for my part I judge myself as not paying attention to where I’m going. In other word, if my attention is on the hellish parts of existence, the devil wins. If I can be transported by sacred music, a sunset, a work of art, an innocent child, a loving relationship, I win and God wins, so to speak. At least God wins me, and has a fan who likes the stunning enormity of the Work of Creation.

I guess, to me, it is like God is an artist of excellence beyond words. And God is at the other end of this astonishing gallery that shows the Art that in our scale of things took billions of years to put in front of our senses. So am I going to go through the gallery at a sprint, not looking, only at God at the end? Yes, of course God is the greatest Glory and Beauty and all that. But when I get there, I wonder if I’ll be asked: "And what did you make of my Creation that I made for you? Will I say “Huh? There was stuff to look at and do? I just wanted to get here!” And would I be told, “Yes, but now that you are here, how much do you know about Me? Am I not reflected in my work, as is any artist? Did you not pause to ponder Who and What I Am, so that when you got here there would be something for us to talk about” Would I have to confess that all I saw was ugliness, and that the world repelled me? Would I be told “Yes, but that is not the world I made; I made a world where you could experience my wonders as a practice for enjoying what is here! I made a world where you could exercise your muscles of cooperation with Me so that your experience here would be embellished. And you passed that up because of a few piles of junk someone else threw into the gallery? Did you think so little of what I put there that you ignored it in favor of trash? And if you saw trash in My House, why didn’t you do something to clean it up, instead of whining about a little bit of distraction? Am I and my Works so small in your estimation as to be overshadowed by the mistakes of men, whom by the way areall still my Children, and whom I Love?”

Anyway, that is the sort of conversation I imagine, and why I really put a lot of energy into appreciation and service. And the more of those that I do, the more beautiful and wondrous things get. I open gifts from God every day! I hope one day to say “I love these; Thank you so much!!!” And I hope to be told “They are yours now and forever; you earned them by devotion to Me even in the midst of distractions. You steered by the lovely light of my Star, and not by the turbulence of the sea. Welcome home!”
 
I guess, to me, it is like God is an artist of excellence beyond words. And God is at the other end of this astonishing gallery that shows the Art that in our scale of things took billions of years to put in front of our senses. So am I going to go through the gallery at a sprint, not looking, only at God at the end? Yes, of course God is the greatest Glory and Beauty and all that. But when I get there, I wonder if I’ll be asked: "And what did you make of my Creation that I made for you? Will I say "Huh? There was stuff to look at and do? …Anyway, that is the sort of conversation I imagine, and why I really put a lot of energy into appreciation and service.
Antroji – wow, what an incredible posting! It’s more lyrical and more insightful than most priestly homilies I’ve heard this year. Thanks much!

StAnastasia
 
I am God’s creation. He made me to know Him and to love Him and to serve Him in this world and to be happy with Him forever in heaven. He made me in His own image and likeness. He gave me free will. He did not program me. I am not a robot.
 
Every day I pray for death. There’s nothing else I want from this life. Why is it that people with severe major depression have a more accurate interpretation of this world than do “normal” people? I know what I’m talking about here. In addition to experiencing severe major depression, I’m a psychologist; I have a Ph.D. in research psychology. But all I have accomplished is as nothing! I recognize that I’m nothing but a “meatbot” here in this world.
Yes, along with Grannymh, I cannot agree that severely depressed people have a more accurate interpretation. I know a few of those, and some chief characteristics of their considerations include or reject assumptions different from those of happier folks. But such can be dealt with in a number of ways, and I apologize if, as is probable, you know of and have utilized those. I am in no way intending to minimize that you are dealing with a bigger monster than many. While food and mood have some connection, it is that habituation of thinking that is predominant here. And investing heavily in the incomplete good vs. evil dynamic is no small contribution to that debilitation. And I’ve seen NLP help with some pretty severe situations in relatively short order. Have you considered that rout?
 
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