Are we Catholics sinning?

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Are Catholics (well, everyone) who eats meat/fish KNOWING they have come from the inhumane and cruel treatment of animals sinning? And also why do Catholics seem to support animal cruelty, seems like we are a bit selfish in that topic
 
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why do Catholics seem to support animal cruelty, seems like we are a bit selfish in that topic
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Heh heh. Seafood and selfish pun.

(Please don’t kill me.)

To be more serious though, why is buying fish necessarily related with animal cruelty? They can certainly be raised in terrible conditions as all animals can, but not all fish are.
 
Many fish bought and sold in the US come from farms or in contained ocean areas, where they are starved up to 10 DAYS prior to being cut up ALIVE, I know it’s hard to picture that because, well they are fish but if you think about it that’s how it goes, I have done my research
 
St Francis di Paola and St Philip Neri would probably agree with you.
Unfortunately, I have iron deficiency anemia and have not been able to rise to their level of spirituality.
 
I just want to know if we are winning by eating these things knowing the cruelty that comes behind it, we are to be above animals, not abusive to them
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Unless we know where the fish is coming from to begin with, we can’t even begin to consider it a sin. Even if we know where it comes from and how the fish are treated, our cooperation in any evil is often mitigated.
 
Okay thanks, my issue that breaks my heart isn’t that though, it’s lab use of animals, and I’m talking about when the workers harass and destroy the humility and life of these animals. If they are doing a GENUINE experiment to test a product fine, I won’t object, but pointless experiment to fill the pleasure in these sick humans that work here…I won’t stand for
 
We are meant to have dominion over animals, now that for me even includes killing them for sport if that’s what tickle your fancy however I wouldn’t personally do that.

Equating eating meat though with abusing them is risky behaviour though, many of the apostles were fishers, lots of others were shepherds or men willing to kill their prize calf just to celebrate.

I have no issue with eating meat, nor do I have with hunting. St. Eustachius who I took my name from is a patron saint of hunters, and therefore I’d hunt with pride.

None of that is a sin, animals are made for us to be used any way we deem necessary and so they shall.

-Kindest regards, James.
 
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You know. It’s hard to feed the world. Our main issue is that some areas have too much food and others not enough. Given the way people treat people on this earth I find it hard to he morally outraged or even care about a trout farm. On my list of causes I care about, how my food is treated prior to consumption us not really up there.
 
CCC 2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation. Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common good of past, present, and future humanity.195 Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives. Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.196

2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory.197 Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.

2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
 
Fish are not as evolutionarily advanced as birds and mammals so I’m not sure if hurting them would be as serious or if it would be more like stepping on a cockroach
 
I’m not sure it would be considered a sin, since I hardly eat chicken to support any abuse they may face. (And if anything, I’m more concerned about how the farmers are potentially mistreated.) If chickens were raised more ethically but cost more to makeup for less meat, then I’d still eat chicken. I might eat less, but you can’t take away my buffalo chicken! That’s my favorite lunch of the week!

That said, I certainly don’t fault anyone for going veg for the sake of animals. Sacrifice is good, but maybe also considering what the farmers go through as well, not just the animals. They’re more important than the chickens.
Tis_Bearself said:
made monks carry around his cat for a penance.
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My cat is pretty tolerant and gentle, but I think if I tried carrying her around for a while, I’d soon have a few bleeding wounds.
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Fish are not as evolutionarily advanced as birds and mammals so I’m not sure if hurting them would be as serious or if it would be more like stepping on a cockroach
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Are you saying that Finding Nemo lied to me! 😭
 
I hear you OP.

While I eat meat I would love there to be some regulations or laws to encourage animals being treated with further respect.

Caged chickens are horrifying. I happily will pay extra for free range. I realise not everyone can afford this however.
 
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Okay thanks, my issue that breaks my heart isn’t that though, it’s lab use of animals, and I’m talking about when the workers harass and destroy the humility and life of these animals.
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Most cosmetic companies don’t do animal testing anymore.

If you’re talking about medical testing then there’s nothing wrong with that. We need to test new medicines on animals if it benefits humans.

In fact, we are not actually bound to cause no pain to animals, we should not cause unnecessary pain. But if there’s a medicine that can help humans but we are required to cause some pain or discomfort to animals to test it then it is actually morally good to do that.

The real problem comes when people prioritise animals over humans.
 
Your concern for the human harvest of animals for meat and other products is admirable. One thing you can do is make choices when buying and using products. Another is to pray, and a third is to get active in some way.
 
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