Are we experiencing Armageddon?

[MaggieOH]

serendipity:

Yes, but some Protestant sects some how fail to see this interpretation, and if they did it would probably make them question what churhc they belong too, since only the Catholic church can credibly claim to have its orgins in the life of Christ, and has existed throughout the entire Christ Age of Messianic Age.

Revelation was a book that I shied away form, but Scott Hahn’s The Lamb’s Supper dipped my toes in it, and the David Currie *Rapture *book so throroughly explained and analyzed all the possible approaches, which demystified it for me, and now I find it one of the most faith-affirming books of the Bible for me.

The Book of Revelation was the first Little Rock Scripture Study that I did with my parish. I have not looked back since completing the course. Like you I have Scott Hahn’s “The Lamb’s Supper” and I am beginning to negotiate my way through David Currie’s book.

Also on the Protestant side I have found William Barclay’s study guide to be quite illuminating. I may not agree with all of his conclusions but he has given some excellent information that helped to placed the Book of Revelation into its correct historical period.

 

[MaggieOH]

edwinG:

HI Maggie,
Doesn’t Jesus say he saw satan falling. Wasn’t he pushed out of heaven by Michael and the angels? Of course Jesus triumphed over satan and His miracles testified to this. So I am supposing that you believe it when Jesus said He saw satan falling. Tell me where you think satan is now.
Can you please explain why you think most of the interpretations of the Book of Revelation are seriously flawed. Does this mean you reject the teaching of the catholic church on this book. I am supposing they have a point of view on the book, The Revelation.
Walk in love
Grow in Christ
edwinG

Edwin,

I do not reject the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding the Book of Revelation, neither do I reject the mainstream Protestant interpretations.

What I reject are all interpretations that see the Book of Revelation as though it is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future only. That kind of interpretation does nothing for our faith as a whole because in the end people will lose faith when what they hear being predicted does not come to pass.

I reject all of the false prophets who claim that Satan will put a microchip in our wrists or a bar code on our forehead or that one must not use an e-tag because it is Satan’s device. I reject false interpretations about the Beast as well as those who make false claims about the Whore of Babylon.

When the Book of Revelation is read in its proper context it is a book of comfort and there is a lot of deep and hidden meaning to be found in that Book. Yes, there are some things that will happen in the future, but there are things that happen from age to age, and are neither confined to the past or into the future. There is a rhythm, a flow in our life that we miss because of our preoccupation with the future.

That kind of preoccupation excites fear and it does not bring anyone closer to God. That is the opposite to what is written in the Book of Revelation.

Maggie

 

[edwinG]

MaggieOH:

Edwin,

I do not reject the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding the Book of Revelation, neither do I reject the mainstream Protestant interpretations.

I don’t know either of these teaching very well. I read on this thread that the catholic position is that tribulation happened AD 70 + . Well I know that is wrong as Christ has given me work to do during tribulation. So it is yet to happen.

What I reject are all interpretations that see the Book of Revelation as though it is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future only. That kind of interpretation does nothing for our faith as a whole because in the end people will lose faith when what they hear being predicted does not come to pass.

See the old testament. People lost faith because what the prophets told them did not happen immediately or in the near future. Nothing has changed. But we have always been told to be patient and trust in Him alone. In one sense, as Christ is now reigning, the kingdoms being established, one should forget about history and think of there own life span. When they die, that’s it. If they are not on the narrow road they are for Hell, until it is thrown into the lake of fire. No one knows how long they will live for. I see some of Revelation in the past, but not very much.

I reject all of the false prophets who claim that Satan will put a microchip in our wrists or a bar code on our forehead or that one must not use an e-tag because it is Satan’s device. I reject false interpretations about the Beast as well as those who make false claims about the Whore of Babylon.

I dont know anything about these issues.

Book of Revelation is read in its proper context it is a book of comfort and there is a lot of deep and hidden meaning to be found in that Book. Yes, there are some things that will happen in the future, but there are things that happen from age to age, and are neither confined to the past or into the future. There is a rhythm, a flow in our life that we miss because of our preoccupation with the future.
That kind of preoccupation excites fear and it does not bring anyone closer to God. That is the opposite to what is written in the Book of Revelation.
Maggie

That the future contains Holy fear is a good for us. For me it helps to swell up my love for Him, like a yeast in my love.

Walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

MaggieOH:

Edwin,

I do not reject the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding the Book of Revelation, neither do I reject the mainstream Protestant interpretations.

What I reject are all interpretations that see the Book of Revelation as though it is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in the future only. That kind of interpretation does nothing for our faith as a whole because in the end people will lose faith when what they hear being predicted does not come to pass.

I reject all of the false prophets who claim that Satan will put a microchip in our wrists or a bar code on our forehead or that one must not use an e-tag because it is Satan’s device. I reject false interpretations about the Beast as well as those who make false claims about the Whore of Babylon.

When the Book of Revelation is read in its proper context it is a book of comfort and there is a lot of deep and hidden meaning to be found in that Book. Yes, there are some things that will happen in the future, but there are things that happen from age to age, and are neither confined to the past or into the future. There is a rhythm, a flow in our life that we miss because of our preoccupation with the future.

That kind of preoccupation excites fear and it does not bring anyone closer to God. That is the opposite to what is written in the Book of Revelation.

Maggie

Hi Maggie,
I replied but it timed out.
It was a detailed post and at this time of night I dont feel inclined to repost.
It is worthy to note that the problem you see is the same as the jews in the old testament had, that is the time frame over which the prophecies were fullfilled. This led them to lose their trust in Him. Patience is required. For me a good dose of Holy fear is like leaven in my love for Him. IT swells up my love and keeps it strong.
Christ be with you
walk in love
edwinG

 

[Church_Militant]

Dear All,
One just WISHES this was Armageddon; that it was this easy and without the “blood to the horses bridles for 200 stadia”. No… We are not ther yet by a LONG ways.

May the Lord have mercy on us all.
Pax vobiscum,

 

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[mackone]

There is some renewed interest in this topic. It seems like a discussion topic of some substance.

I have made a recent post that is relevant for those who have an interest in the topic. The post is in the Sacred Scriptures forum.

Thank you and blessings to you.

 

[Parysa]

The thing with the Protestant view that I don’t get is where does it say the things described in Revelation are all supposed to happen at one time? I think it’s kind of an overview of the future of Christianity from then forward. It gets kind of ridiculous when people start basing their voting decisions on Revelation all coming to pass in our lifetime.

 

[byers]

Matrix Prophet…Serendipity said it best.Armageddon is a fulfilled scripture verse and not future as interpreted by many protestant sects. Please read as suggested David Currie’s Rapture: The End-Times Error That Leaves the Bible BehindSophia Press 2003.
Then you will have a better idea of what you are talking about.

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