Are we liking other religions too much?

[t68ware]

I am becoming increasingly aware of the Catholic Churches acceptance of the other world religions, esp Islam, since it is considered one of the great monothestic religions. My book Catholism for Dummies speaks of the commonality we share, and I have noticed how the Church will not call Muslims or Jews unbelievers, but will focus on their belief in God, even though the Muslim belief in God is very different than ours. When I was Protestant, you either followed Christ or you didnt…no middle ground, but it seems the Catholic Church will not make such distinctions. Christ is the only way, not just believing in God or having the same ancestor, ie Abraham. Both Jews and Muslims deny Christ as the Lord…how can we cozy up with them? Is anybody else finding this unsettling?

 

[Stylites]

I am becoming increasingly aware of the Catholic Churches acceptance of the other world religions, esp Islam, since it is considered one of the great monothestic religions. My book Catholism for Dummies speaks of the commonality we share, and I have noticed how the Church will not call Muslims or Jews unbelievers, but will focus on their belief in God, even though the Muslim belief in God is very different than ours. When I was Protestant, you either followed Christ or you didnt…no middle ground, but it seems the Catholic Church will not make such distinctions. Christ is the only way, not just believing in God or having the same ancestor, ie Abraham. Both Jews and Muslims deny Christ as the Lord…how can we cozy up with them? Is anybody else finding this unsettling?

Truth is always unsettling when our minds are so cozy with deceptions and prejudices. You have to accept all of the Church’s teaching in love and trust, such as CCC 841, or don’t become Catholic.

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[wisdomseeker]

I am becoming increasingly aware of the Catholic Churches acceptance of the other world religions, esp Islam, since it is considered one of the great monothestic religions. My book Catholism for Dummies speaks of the commonality we share, and I have noticed how the Church will not call Muslims or Jews unbelievers, but will focus on their belief in God, even though the Muslim belief in God is very different than ours. When I was Protestant, you either followed Christ or you didnt…no middle ground, but it seems the Catholic Church will not make such distinctions. Christ is the only way, not just believing in God or having the same ancestor, ie Abraham. Both Jews and Muslims deny Christ as the Lord…how can we cozy up with them? Is anybody else finding this unsettling?

I think the Church or some in the Church is taking a different approach in evangelizing people. they think if they are more friendly, people may convert, just like they doing with protestants.

 

[t68ware]

Truth is always unsettling when our minds are so cozy with deceptions and prejudices. You have to accept all of the Church’s teaching in love and trust, such as CCC 841, or don’t become Catholic.

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While I agree with your comment, both the faiths of the Jews and Muslims believe in God, but Islam, in its founding, has denied Christ as Lord…the Church should be trying to convert them lovingly, not giving their faith some legitimate status as worthy as Christianity.

 

[laszlo]

Listen to the dinamics in Christ teaching.

Until His transfiguration he clear preached that He is sent to the Jews

Matt 15:24 And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel. But she came and adored him, saying: Lord, help me. Who answering, said: It is not good to take the bread of the children, and to cast it to the dogs.

After that he started to preach that the Jews failed their role as chosen people and he started to say that he want everybody as His followers. The Jews did not repented, only after the women baked and ate her baby, as it was prophesied by Moses (Deut 28) in AD 70.

May be the Church understood that Catholics failed their role as chosen people, and with her Masree is teaching that Jesus Christ came for all people. We need humility.

 

[t68ware]

Listen to the dinamics in Christ teaching.

Until His transfiguration he clear preached that He is sent to the Jews

Matt 15:24 And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel. But she came and adored him, saying: Lord, help me. Who answering, said: It is not good to take the bread of the children, and to cast it to the dogs.

After that he started to preach that the Jews failed their role as chosen people and he started to say that he want everybody as His followers. The Jews did not repented, only after the women baked and ate her baby, as it was prophesied by Moses (Deut 28) in AD 70.

May be the Church understood that Catholics failed their role as chosen people, and with her Masree is teaching that Jesus Christ came for all people. We need humility.

In your comment “…Jesus Chirst came for all people.” are you saying that Jesus came to rescue all sinners or that everybody at some point gets into the Club, so to speak? The Church does not teach a Universalism, or at least I hope She doesnt!

 

[laszlo]

In your comment “…Jesus Chirst came for all people.” are you saying that Jesus came to rescue all sinners or that everybody at some point gets into the Club, so to speak? The Church does not teach a Universalism, or at least I hope She doesnt!

I strictly believe that there is Hell and the Hell is populated with human beings, and among the damned ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I also believe that among the saved ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I do not believe that simply being Catholic is assurance for the salvation or e.g. being Muslim is assurance for the damnation. Catholics get more resource, they are subject to higher requirements also.

The judgement belongs to God, consequently we shall love Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists alike. We shall condemn sinful acts not religions / beliefs into which people born.

 

[Stylites]

While I agree with your comment, both the faiths of the Jews and Muslims believe in God, but Islam, in its founding, has denied Christ as Lord…the Church should be trying to convert them lovingly, not giving their faith some legitimate status as worthy as Christianity.

So have the Jews rejected Christ. I understand it is popular among some to challenge or deny the teaching of the Church when it relates to Islam, but being a good Catholic is really an all-or-nothing proposition. Don’t be a Cafeteria Catholic by clinging to prejudices and hatreds and fears.

 

[Stylites]

I strictly believe that there is Hell and the Hell is populated with human beings, and among the damned ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I also believe that among the saved ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I do not believe that simply being Catholic is assurance for the salvation or e.g. being Muslim is assurance for the damnation. Catholics get more resource, they are subject to higher requirements also.

The judgement belongs to God, consequently we shall love Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists alike. We shall condemn sinful acts not religions / beliefs into which people born.

Well said, laszlo.

 

[t68ware]

So have the Jews rejected Christ. I understand it is popular among some to challenge or deny the teaching of the Church when it relates to Islam, but being a good Catholic is really an all-or-nothing proposition. Don’t be a Cafeteria Catholic by clinging to prejudices and hatreds and fears.

I dont think it is about being a good Catholic…I think it is being a good Christian, plain and simple. Jesus said more than once nobody comes the Father expept through Him, and He is the Way, the Door, the Gate, etc. If others can enter, even though they reject Christ after hearing His claims, why be Christian? It seems to me the RCC is too accepting of non-Christian religions. While we are to love them and offer them Christ, as I am sure you agree with, we should do our best to convert them. Jesus just didnt make friends with people and hope they see how good He was and turn to Him…He told people very simply but truthfully He is the only way.

 

[t68ware]

I strictly believe that there is Hell and the Hell is populated with human beings, and among the damned ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I also believe that among the saved ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I do not believe that simply being Catholic is assurance for the salvation or e.g. being Muslim is assurance for the damnation. Catholics get more resource, they are subject to higher requirements also.

The judgement belongs to God, consequently we shall love Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists alike. We shall condemn sinful acts not religions / beliefs into which people born.

Being Catholic is not assurance for salvation…being Christian, and a faithful Christian at that, is. Those who do not hear, I leave up to God’s wisdom…those who hear, yet reject, I think Scripture is plain on the fate of such people.

 

[Stylites]

I dont think it is about being a good Catholic…I think it is being a good Christian, plain and simple. Jesus said more than once nobody comes the Father expept through Him, and He is the Way, the Door, the Gate, etc. If others can enter, even though they reject Christ after hearing His claims, why be Christian? It seems to me the RCC is too accepting of non-Christian religions. While we are to love them and offer them Christ, as I am sure you agree with, we should do our best to convert them. Jesus just didnt make friends with people and hope they see how good He was and turn to Him…He told people very simply but truthfully He is the only way.

As I said, you will need to trust the Church in her teachings, and the Holy Spirit through the Church’s teachings. You are most certainly free to question the Church’s teachings in an honest effort to understand them, but good Catholics (which is to say, good Christians) are not free to reject them.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I strictly believe that there is Hell and the Hell is populated with human beings, and among the damned ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I also believe that among the saved ones there are Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists and any kind of people.

I do not believe that simply being Catholic is assurance for the salvation or e.g. being Muslim is assurance for the damnation. Catholics get more resource, they are subject to higher requirements also.

The judgement belongs to God, consequently we shall love Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindi, Buddhists, Taoist, Shintoist and Atheists alike. We shall condemn sinful acts not religions / beliefs into which people born.

True.
but the CC has a mission to teach all men about Christ. those who dont listen to the CHurch, God will deal with them… dont forget those who lost their lives doing just that.

today, man has the tendency to trade the Truth for the word be nice and charible.

 

[TrueLight]

May be the Church understood that Catholics failed their role as chosen people, and with her Masree is teaching that Jesus Christ came for all people. We need humility.

Wow. This is a sobering and humble thought.

 

[Stylites]

Being Catholic is not assurance for salvation…being Christian, and a faithful Christian at that, is. Those who do not hear, I leave up to God’s wisdom…those who hear, yet reject, I think Scripture is plain on the fate of such people.

There’s your problem, thinking that Catholics are not Christians. Was your initiation into the faith faulty or substandard?

 

[TrueLight]

I dont think it is about being a good Catholic…I think it is being a good Christian, plain and simple. Jesus said more than once nobody comes the Father expept through Him, and He is the Way, the Door, the Gate, etc. If others can enter, even though they reject Christ after hearing His claims, why be Christian? It seems to me the RCC is too accepting of non-Christian religions. While we are to love them and offer them Christ, as I am sure you agree with, we should do our best to convert them. Jesus just didnt make friends with people and hope they see how good He was and turn to Him…He told people very simply but truthfully He is the only way.

Hi,

I agree with what everyone is saying and I understand what you are saying as well.

If the lines blur too much, then in some Catholics’ minds, it won’t matter whether Protestants attend a Catholic Church or a Protestant church.

People may fool themselves into thinking that no Catholic will give up the Eucharist for a Protestant church, but that is wishful thinking.

Beware, anyone who attends the more innovative OFs will find an even more innovative and probably more exciting service in the Protestant church – no comparison.

So blur the lines and risk the flock wandering into other pastures.

 

[laszlo]

Being Catholic is not assurance for salvation…being Christian, and a faithful Christian at that, is. Those who do not hear, I leave up to God’s wisdom…those who hear, yet reject, I think Scripture is plain on the fate of such people.

Faith in itself is not sufficient. We need works, and among other actions we need liking with full heart everybody, regardless of religion.

As for the negative side, please meditate what means hearing, and what means rejecting.

 

[t68ware]

There’s your problem, thinking that Catholics are not Christians. Was your initiation into the faith faulty or substandard?

no, Catholics are most definitly Christian!!! by my statement, I mean not not only Catholics are Christian but so are all who claim Jesus as Lord, ie Protestants, those who have been baptised in the Name of the Most Holy Trinity.

 

[t68ware]

Faith in itself is not sufficient. We need works, and among other actions we need liking with full heart everybody, regardless of religion.

As for the negative side, please meditate what means hearing, and what means rejecting.

by being a faithful Christian, works are implied, at least for me.

 

[Stylites]

So blur the lines and risk the flock wandering into other pastures.

It’s usually best to worry about what immediately concerns us, and to leave higher things to those who have received the authority from God.