Are we living in a Post-Religious Era?

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By this i mean are we living in a time where the search for God, objective meaning/purpose and objective moral value, simply doesn’t matter any-more, or at least it does not concern us as much materialist and social/political goals?

We are moving in to a time where technology and science takes care of much of our ills. Many of the things that may have motivated or inspired people to seek spiritual development has been replaced by entertainment, reality tv, films, games, and other forms of escapism etc…
 
By this i mean are we living in a time where the search for God, objective meaning/purpose and objective moral value, simply doesn’t matter any-more, or at least it does not concern us as much materialist and social/political goals?

We are moving in to a time where technology and science takes care of much of our ills. Many of the things that may have motivated or inspired people to seek spiritual development has been replaced by entertainment, reality tv, films, games, and other forms of escapism etc…
There is not so much thirst for God than today…
 
I think God’s decline is motivated by a combination of increasing affluence and increasing knowledge of the universe. Basically, the things God is needed for - explaining the universe and comforting people - are declining, and God’s going with them.
 
By this i mean are we living in a time where the search for God, objective meaning/purpose and objective moral value, simply doesn’t matter any-more, or at least it does not concern us as much materialist and social/political goals?

We are moving in to a time where technology and science takes care of much of our ills. Many of the things that may have motivated or inspired people to seek spiritual development has been replaced by entertainment, reality tv, films, games, and other forms of escapism etc…
:sad_yes:, I totally agree with you…

I sometimes think that as long as people are away from GOD then Jesus second coming will be also far away in the future :(
 
We are moving in to a time where technology and science takes care of much of our ills. Many of the things that may have motivated or inspired people to seek spiritual development has been replaced by entertainment, reality tv, films, games, and other forms of escapism etc…
Sorry, but seeing as how it’s part of my job to read up on the latest tech news, not even advanced medical technology can replace the human element.

Ever heard of Big Data? They say it’s the new business tech fad. But guess what? That has its limits too. Every time man solves one problem, there’ll be more that need solving.

As for escapism, please know that religion can be construed as a form of escapism as well. There’s also the fact that Catholic Tolkien made this very nice explanation about how we’re all prisoners in the mundane of daily existence. Seeking liberation isn’t always a bad thing. If anything, it’s this same monotony of life that have driven some saints to seek God.

Finally, every era has its pros and cons. You think there’s a lot of spiritual decay in this era? I can name five more who had it just as bad if not worse.
 
By this i mean are we living in a time where the search for God, objective meaning/purpose and objective moral value, simply doesn’t matter any-more, or at least it does not concern us as much materialist and social/political goals?
The positions of some religious groups are found to be in conflict with some of it’s members. For example, younger generations tend to have lower instances of people that have a problem with homosexuality. When they see their congregations speaking against it, it’s a bit of a turn off (especially for those with homosexual friends).

You might find a 2008 Pew Research Survey on religion to be interesting. Of those surveyed specifically for those that identified as Catholic 48% feel abortion should be legal in most cases and 58% felt homosexuality should be accepted in society. Majorities of Catholics and members of mainline Protestant churches …] say their churches should adjust traditional practices in light of new circumstances." The link to the survey referenced is below (PDF document). I think it is insightful.

i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/19/report2-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf
 
:sad_yes:, I totally agree with you…

I sometimes think that as long as people are away from GOD then Jesus second coming will be also far away in the future :(
Or, my friend, it might be the opposite: His coming might be sooner than we think. 🙂

To the OP,

The answer is yes, with the following caveat: Who is “we”? You are an pantheist. Other responders in this thread are atheist. Neither of these positions form any sort of united or cohesive whole inclusive of traditional religious people. To the extent that there are an increasing number of you, you have a point in so far as you take the increase of your community to be evidence of some kind of absolute or irreversible or inevitable tendency toward further increase. But I would be careful of that. Famous secularist and one-time bounty Salman Rushdie was asked by television host Bill Moyers some years ago as part of the latter’s “Faith and Reason” series on PBS about the evolution of religious belief in societies and in himself. Rushdie responded that he never feels the twinge of even nascent belief within himself because he comes from a generation of Indians that embraced the ethos of the secular, free-minded 1960s Western cultural mindset. Given that, he did not foresee the rise of fundamentalism (particularly Islamic, as that is his background, though he also mentions Hindu and Buddhist forms, if I remember correctly) beginning arguably in the 1970s (with the rise of the “Religious Right” as a political force in the USA, the establishment of an Islamic state in Iran, etc). It just didn’t seem likely from his viewpoint, because it wasn’t likely from his viewpoint. And yet it happened because not everyone thinks like Salman Rushdie does.

I would say the same thing to you: You may be right (certain societies or segments of society are post-religious) without actually being right on a large enough scale to be able to say anything about “we”, if by “we” you mean more than you and people who already think like you. And of course, what seems like an inexorable march of progress can be reversed, take a sharp turn, or be otherwise destroyed without your (name removed by moderator)ut, no matter how obviously right you think your principles are. Just ask the Russians who lived through and deeply believed in communism (for a while, anyway). The practice of religion for them has not returned to pre-Communist levels, and it may never do so, but the reintroduction of religion on any scale in an official capacity shows that, even with massive demographic changes, there is still a place for religion in an otherwise largely atheistic worldview. In fact, in my own life I had two major teachers of Russian (language) who provided a good contrast that illustrates what I am talking about: One, who was in her teens and early 20s in the 1960s, insisted that not only that she was not religious, but that of her generation no one was religious, given the indoctrination they received from the Communist Youth League and others that religion is bad, outdated, holds back progress, etc. The other was probably the single most intelligent man I’ve ever met, also a young man in the 1960s, but a committed Orthodox Christian (he told me stories of attending baptisms in family rooms with blacked-out windows, hoping to evade the authorities that punished religious believers with “re-education” in state mental facilities). From his description of life in the Soviet Union in the 1950s and 1960s, my other teacher was wrong in saying that no one of that generation was religious, but only in terms of degree, rather than in terms of official (as in government-sponsored) ethos.
 
For me religion is as a Catholic with Jesus Christ as part of the Holy Trinity who must be accepted in order to obtain the rewards of heaven. For through Jesus as the gate keeper may we attain heaven. I think this has little meaning in todays world especially America. In the new “wave” of secularism including liberal thoughts of abortion, homosexuality, birth control, etc. we see past cultures with similar activities condemed by God in the bible. Look at muslims, hindus, etc. They don’t accept Jesus Christ as their savior, are forcing their way into American society with their notions and accepted “norms”, and comprise a significant part of the “religious” cultures. And yet Jesus plays no role in their “religion”. Where does Jesus and God become a major factor in the way we live our lives? I think a lot of people don’t see the need of God in their lives especially on a daily basis.
 
Here in the USA I think our culture supports a very shallow mindset and lifestyle. The news and the “entertainment” industries encourages us to be interested in “reality shows” that are no more realistic than they are thoughtful. It seems to me that there is an ecouragement to drift along, not thinking, through life. Why? Perhaps as people who don’t think about deeper questions (ie: why am I here? what is the meaning of my life? etc) are much easier to control and won’t put up a fight when they are controlled.

“That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.” Denis Miller
 
We are living in a time where mankind’s foolish pride and knowledge has given him a false sense of security. He has abandoned himself to materialistic, hedonistic desires and has cast off his quest for the teachings of love and guidance handed down to us over the generations from God. To know God is to know love. True, all encompassing, agape, love. Our institutions of higher learning focus on preparing us for the “new world”. The eat or be eaten world. They have forgotten to include what our purpose on Earth really is. It comes down to this…What type of world do you want? The “It’s all about me” world that is taking a strong foothold, or one based on love and forgiveness, caring , and giving. I know you can read this and think that where we are heading is all well and fine. But seriously, sit and think for awhile, without any bias or opinions guiding your thoughts. Truly think about where we are heading, what we have become, and where you want to be. I truly enjoy learning, loving, caring, giving… That’s living!
 
Maybe, just maybe, you and I and all the other posters here, and all the Catholics should seek answers to life’s problems in places other than their cable TV, their vanishing 401k, or their new SUV.
You are living in a post-religious era only when you personally decide that you don’t need or want God. No one can make that decision for you.
It sounds like many people have already made that decision, but they are still coming to the forum to get approval for that decision? Or, are you hedging your bets?

The decision is personal and it is yours. Don’t look for justification in your Physics textbook (yes, I have read them) or your disposable income (it can go away quickly) or some theologian making a mistake. Your soul is yours. Don’t sell it too cheaply.

Maybe a little humility and 5 minutes of silent prayer can help.
 
Look at muslims, hindus, etc. They don’t accept Jesus Christ as their savior, are forcing their way into American society with their notions and accepted “norms”, and comprise a significant part of the “religious” cultures. And yet Jesus plays no role in their “religion”.
In Hinduism Jesus is seen as on of Krishna’s reincarnations. He’s not totally absent from it. It does seem among various religious there are various pictures of Jesus. For example, some Christian groups believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael in human form.
 
Maybe, just maybe, you and I and all the other posters here, and all the Catholics should seek answers to life’s problems in places other than their cable TV, their vanishing 401k, or their new SUV.
You are living in a post-religious era only when you personally decide that you don’t need or want God. No one can make that decision for you.
It sounds like many people have already made that decision, but they are still coming to the forum to get approval for that decision? Or, are you hedging your bets?

The decision is personal and it is yours. Don’t look for justification in your Physics textbook (yes, I have read them) or your disposable income (it can go away quickly) or some theologian making a mistake. Your soul is yours. Don’t sell it too cheaply.

Maybe a little humility and 5 minutes of silent prayer can help.
Income is sure disposable (look at all the ways we can flush it down the toilet) Money talks(Mine says “Goodbye” quite often) Do you live in a Post-religious era if you eat a bowl of Post Shredded Wheat after coming home from Mass? My soul ain’t for sale anymore. It belongs to Jesus so anyone who wants it will have to see him first!🙂
 
I am not a pantheist.
Sorry, I missed the extra e. Also, I don’t know what that is. What you do believe (at least according to Wikipedia’s article on this belief system) is incompatible with traditional monotheism, which is what we are talking about in this thread if “we” is to mean Western society and the religion it has traditionally held to.
 
Sorry, I missed the extra e. Also, I don’t know what that is. What you do believe (at least according to Wikipedia’s article on this belief system) is incompatible with traditional monotheism, which is what we are talking about in this thread if “we” is to mean Western society and the religion it has traditionally held to.
I wear panth and jeanth and slackth! Doeth that count?😃
 
Sorry, I missed the extra e. Also, I don’t know what that is. What you do believe (at least according to Wikipedia’s article on this belief system) is incompatible with traditional monotheism, which is what we are talking about in this thread if “we” is to mean Western society and the religion it has traditionally held to.
That depends on what you mean by panentheism. There are different conceptions of panentheism.

In any case what relevance does it have what I believe? I simply asked a question. You either agree or disagree, and you can leave your explanation.
 
By this i mean are we living in a time where the search for God, objective meaning/purpose and objective moral value, simply doesn’t matter any-more, or at least it does not concern us as much materialist and social/political goals?

We are moving in to a time where technology and science takes care of much of our ills. Many of the things that may have motivated or inspired people to seek spiritual development has been replaced by entertainment, reality tv, films, games, and other forms of escapism etc…
Good entertainment is valuable but we can’t escape real life. Do we get up every day for no particular reason? Do we believe that after we die, there’s nothing? The media is pushing very hard to convince us that you can be “good” without God. That everything is relative. Right, wrong - eh, whatever works for you.

Politics is infiltrating our every waking hour, but too many people don’t want to be bothered. As long as they wake up, and the world is still outside their window, that’s good enough. And is there such a thing as having too much stuff? Honestly, even if I had the money and the space, and I could buy all the stuff I wanted, I wouldn’t. I would carefully pick and choose.

Finally, right now, we need to be able to pay our bills and should plan for the future. Realistically, and this is especially true of people under the age of 50 - Old? I’m not going to spend a second thinking about getting old. I’ve got a ton of fun things to do and I’m never getting old, at least not realistically. Meaning - Yes, I know it’s going to happen, but right now, it’s a million years away as far as I’m concerned.

Our need for an authentic encounter with an actual, living person is great. Jesus Christ is not a fiction. He loves us and wants - not by force - us to lo love Him back. There is a life to come and we need to accept that. Unless we believe nothing made us and once we’re in the ground - that’s it.

Peace,
Ed
 
That depends on what you mean by panentheism. There are different conceptions of panentheism.

In any case what relevance does it have what I believe? I simply asked a question. You either agree or disagree, and you can leave your explanation.
Actually, I agree (if I’m understanding you correctly; I’m not quite sure what you are saying by “and you can leave your explanation”). It doesn’t matter specifically what you believe, as my point in bringing that up in the first place was that most people are not panenthiests or atheists like some posters in this thread, so the views put forth in this thread by those believers by default do not necessarily represent the view of the majority in this supposed “we” that may or may not be living in a post-religious era. There is a danger in overstating your case or coming to potentially false conclusions based on what you see going on around you, as though your generation, or your location, or your reading list, or whatever it is that leads you believe that society is moving to X, is itself proof of anything in particular beyond a very narrow scope. This was why I brought up the examples of Salman Rushdie (who couldn’t foresee the return of religion, as it didn’t fit with his own conception of where society was going) and my two Russian instructors (who lived in roughly the same times, but came to very different conclusions regarding their societies because they experienced them differently).
 
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