Are we over emphasizing the value of 'freedom' while largely ignoring the plight of poverty?

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What did I ever do to you that you repeatedly cut me down? You hurt nobody but yourself. Perhaps you can criticize Pope Francis too, given his deep interest in the area of poverty? Please be polite.

“Humility is the true mark of genius. Just get used to it.”
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The main issues involving poverty are structural… Namely corruption and ignorance in areas of the developing world. Quite a bit of development money is being currently sent to these countries. Much of that money is ending up in the hands of corrupt government officials and corrupt NGOs… When I read Behind the Beautiful Forevers by Katherine Boo, I was shocked how much of the money in Mumbai wasn’t going for the intended purposes. Nurses and doctors selling medicine on the black market so much so that going to the public hospital is a death sentence, police officers asking for bribes and covering up murders, non-for-profit money being pocketed by greedy foreigners, even nuns lying about their association with Mother Teresa to get their hands in the kettle That is a huge reason as to why there is such widespread, devastating poverty in certain regions.

I appreciate Francis’ condemnation of the excesses of capitalism. As the Holy Father, it is his job to be a moral force and remind us that profit and money are false gods. However, I also don’t think that he wants a socialist utopia.
 
The main issues involving poverty are structural… Namely corruption and ignorance in areas of the developing world. Quite a bit of development money is being currently sent to these countries. Much of that money is ending up in the hands of corrupt government officials and corrupt NGOs… When I read Behind the Beautiful Forevers by Katherine Boo, I was shocked how much of the money in Mumbai wasn’t going for the intended purposes. Nurses and doctors selling medicine on the black market so much so that going to the public hospital is a death sentence, police officers asking for bribes and covering up murders, non-for-profit money being pocketed by greedy foreigners, even nuns lying about their association with Mother Teresa to get their hands in the kettle That is a huge reason as to why there is such widespread, devastating poverty in certain regions.

I appreciate Francis’ condemnation of the excesses of capitalism. As the Holy Father, it is his job to be a moral force and remind us that profit and money are false gods. However, I also don’t think that he wants a socialist utopia.
Do you believe that God is truly bringing good out of the evil that exists in the world? I do. Surly, it’s beyond our control. At the right time, God will set his plan in action.
 
What did I ever do to you that you repeatedly cut me down? You hurt nobody but yourself. Perhaps you can criticize Pope Francis too, given his deep interest in the area of poverty? Please be polite.
Actually, I would like to see Pope Francis speak as the Vicar of Christ on the teachings and the sacraments of the Faith involving all the Catholics in the world. The twitter remark that he made a couple of weeks ago about “corporate greed” leading to poverty was as misguided as the socialist governments that are driving their countries to bankruptcy and bringing everyone down with them.

It’s fine for the pope to speak on economic issues when there are insights to be gained but this constant harping about the haves and the *have nots * can become old very quick. Being from South America, I’m sure the Holy Father knows that much of the bitter poverty there stems from the corruption of governments and internal structures. I’m tired of hearing that I’m the bad guy because I work 40 hours a week and save what I can after the government takes its share.
“Humility is the true mark of genius. Just get used to it.”
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Are you applying this to yourself???
 
Do you believe that God is truly bringing good out of the evil that exists in the world? I do. Surly, it’s beyond our control. At the right time, God will set his plan in action.
I believe that God wants people to combat evil not be passive bystanders. I also believe that the pope can do a lot of moral good by speaking out against the excesses of capitalism and socialism. But no, that doesn’t mean a socialist utopia.
 
Actually, I would like to see Pope Francis speak as the Vicar of Christ on the teachings and the sacraments of the Faith involving all the Catholics in the world. The twitter remark that he made a couple of weeks ago about “corporate greed” leading to poverty was as misguided as the socialist governments that are driving their countries to bankruptcy and bringing everyone down with them.

It’s fine for the pope to speak on economic issues when there are insights to be gained but this constant harping about the haves and the *have nots * can become old very quick. Being from South America, I’m sure the Holy Father knows that much of the bitter poverty there stems from the corruption of governments and internal structures. I’m tired of hearing that I’m the bad guy because I work 40 hours a week and save what I can after the government takes its share.

Are you applying this to yourself???
Unless you are a multi billionaire seeking to exploit workers or a fat cat Wall Street banker looking for the next way to tank the system, he is not consuming you. But even so, it is wise to reflect on and be thankful for what we have in the Western world.
 
Actually, I would like to see Pope Francis speak as the Vicar of Christ on the teachings and the sacraments of the Faith involving all the Catholics in the world. The twitter remark that he made a couple of weeks ago about “corporate greed” leading to poverty was as misguided as the socialist governments that are driving their countries to bankruptcy and bringing everyone down with them.

It’s fine for the pope to speak on economic issues when there are insights to be gained but this constant harping about the haves and the *have nots * can become old very quick. Being from South America, I’m sure the Holy Father knows that much of the bitter poverty there stems from the corruption of governments and internal structures. I’m tired of hearing that I’m the bad guy because I work 40 hours a week and save what I can after the government takes its share.

Are you applying this to yourself???
At this point, I think we need to trust the Pope and follow his lead. He is in a much better position to know how to handle severe poverty than the rest of us.

Perhaps it may be worth noting the our plight in this world. This may be a good lesson on humility:

“The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, ‘Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!..’ (Ps. 119:5). He ceases not to ask with the Apostle…’ Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (Rom. 7:24)
-The Golden Key to Heaven, by Saint Anthony Mary Claret


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Unless you are a multi billionaire seeking to exploit workers or a fat cat Wall Street banker looking for the next way to tank the system, he is not consuming you. But even so, it is wise to reflect on and be thankful for what we have in the Western world.
I meant concerned… darn automatic spell check on I phones.
 
At this point, I think we need to trust the Pope and follow his lead. He is in a much better position to know how to handle severe poverty than the rest of us.
Really? Then what is his solution and how shall it be implemented?
 
Really? Then what is his solution and how shall it be implemented?
I have to yet to hear of his plan, but I sense that he is on the track of doing so. Plenty of Catholic charities that are already helping to alleviate poverty, but they need to grow into a worldwide effort.
 
I have to yet to hear of his plan, but I sense that he is on the track of doing so. Plenty of Catholic charities that are already helping to alleviate poverty, but they need to grow into a worldwide effort.
The Church does not have technical solutions to offerand does not claim “to interfere in any way in the politics of States.”
Benedict XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 9
The Church should teach the moral principles. It is the function of the laity to take those principles and use them to develop / implement the technical solutions to put those principles into practice:
The faithful, therefore, must learn the deepest meaning and the value of all creation, as well as its role in the harmonious praise of God. They must assist each other to live holier lives even in their daily occupations. In this way the world may be permeated by the spirit of Christ and it may more effectively fulfill its purpose in justice, charity and peace. The laity have the principal role in the overall fulfillment of this duty. Therefore, by their competence in secular training and by their activity, elevated from within by the grace of Christ, let them vigorously contribute their effort, so that created goods may be perfected by human labor, technical skill and civic culture for the benefit of all men according to the design of the Creator and the light of His Word. May the goods of this world be more equitably distributed among all men, and may they in their own way be conducive to universal progress in human and Christian freedom. In this manner, through the members of the Church, will Christ progressively illumine the whole of human society with His saving light.

Moreover, let the laity also by their combined efforts remedy the customs and conditions of the world, if they are an inducement to sin, so that they all may be conformed to the norms of justice and may favor the practice of virtue rather than hinder it. By so doing they will imbue culture and human activity with genuine moral values; they will better prepare the field of the world for the seed of the Word of God; and at the same time they will open wider the doors of the Church by which the message of peace may enter the world.

Because of the very economy of salvation the faithful should learn how to distinguish carefully between those rights and duties which are theirs as members of the Church, and those which they have as members of human society. Let them strive to reconcile the two, remembering that in every temporal affair they must be guided by a Christian conscience, since even in secular business there is no human activity which can be withdrawn from God’s dominion. In our own time, however, it is most urgent that this distinction and also this harmony should shine forth more clearly than ever in the lives of the faithful, so that the mission of the Church may correspond more fully to the special conditions of the world today. For it must be admitted that the temporal sphere is governed by its own principles, since it is rightly concerned with the interests of this world. But that ominous doctrine which attempts to build a society with no regard whatever for religion, and which attacks and destroys the religious liberty of its citizens, is rightly to be rejected.

VCII, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium, 36
 
I have to yet to hear of his plan, but I sense that he is on the track of doing so. Plenty of Catholic charities that are already helping to alleviate poverty, but they need to grow into a worldwide effort.
Honestly, I really do not think that you have a clue as to what you are talking about.
 
Honestly, I really do not think that you have a clue as to what you are talking about.
The first step by Pope Francis seems to be to bring the plight of those in severe poverty into the light, for everyone to see.
 
Honestly, I really do not think that you have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Again, from what I said earlier, I’m here to learn, but I do not find your posts to be the least bit enlightening.
 
When he sees the luxurious residence or the charming country house of a wealthy person, a poor workingman often asks himself: “Why is there such inequality in the world?”
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How many volumes have been written about equality among men! How much blood has been spilled for this idea! And yet, in spite of it all, we still have the rich and the poor…

Let us imagine that one day all the inhabitants of the world would assemble to put into effect this sharing of all goods; and that in fact each person, granted that the world is very big, received an exactly equal portion of the wealth existing on earth.

Then what? That very evening one man might say, “Today I worked hard: now I am going to take rest.” Another might state, “I understand this sharing of goods well; so let’s drink and celebrate such an extraordinary happening.” On the other hand, another might say, “Now I am going to set to work with a will so as to reap the greatest benefit I can from what I have received.” And so, starting on the next day, the first man would have only the amount given him; the second would have less, and the third would have increased his.

Then what do we do? Start redistributing the wealth all over again?

Even if everybody began to work right away with all his might and at the same time, the results would not be identical for all. There are, in fact, different kinds of work which are unequally productive; nor do all workers enjoy the same identical capacities. This leads to a diversity of results achieved, and consequently to differences in people’s profits.
~St. Maximilian Kolbe~
 
Actually, I would like to see Pope Francis speak as the Vicar of Christ on the teachings and the sacraments of the Faith involving all the Catholics in the world. The twitter remark that he made a couple of weeks ago about “corporate greed” leading to poverty was as misguided as the socialist governments that are driving their countries to bankruptcy and bringing everyone down with them.

It’s fine for the pope to speak on economic issues when there are insights to be gained but this constant harping about the haves and the *have nots * can become old very quick. Being from South America, I’m sure the Holy Father knows that much of the bitter poverty there stems from the corruption of governments and internal structures. I’m tired of hearing that I’m the bad guy because I work 40 hours a week and save what I can after the government takes its share.

Are you applying this to yourself???
The Holy Father is “misguided”?

Interesting. . . . .
 
Actually, I would like to see Pope Francis speak as the Vicar of Christ on the teachings and the sacraments of the Faith involving all the Catholics in the world. The twitter remark that he made a couple of weeks ago about “corporate greed” leading to poverty was as misguided as the socialist governments that are driving their countries to bankruptcy and bringing everyone down with them.

It’s fine for the pope to speak on economic issues when there are insights to be gained but this constant harping about the haves and the *have nots * can become old very quick. Being from South America, I’m sure the Holy Father knows that much of the bitter poverty there stems from the corruption of governments and internal structures. I’m tired of hearing that I’m the bad guy because I work 40 hours a week and save what I can after the government takes its share.

Are you applying this to yourself???
Do you have a plan for alleviating severe poverty? Or, is your plan to simply ignore it and go about your business? Would you promote sterilization of the poor?
 
Do you have a plan for alleviating severe poverty? Or, is your plan to simply ignore it and go about your business? Would you promote sterilization?
With hyper-capitalism it is the “trickle down economics” idea.
 
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