You are obviously still entrenched in your bunker of material things you can see, hear, taste, smell and touch.
What is responsible for the association and interpretation of sensory data. More sensory data? Hmm… Sensory data associates and interprets sensory data…
Aha! But **what **has transformed our physical makeup and what accounts for the other 10%?
You are merely evading the issue. When you cannot refute an argument you resort to irrelevant expostulation. Why waste time on a philosophy forum when you should be living your life? You can fool yourself but you can’t fool everyone else…
No wonder you are incapable of producing a rational argument!
That explains a lot!
Your faith in the power of doing nothing but sit and wait is touching but unrealistic…
Which are totally beyond your control or power to change… Bad luck!
Can you see, hear, taste, smell and touch your mind?
The happiest people don’t live in a fool’s paradise.
Contented people don’t just sit around but share their contentment with others.
Not to search for meaning reeks of apathy, fatalism and - above all - sheer laziness.
How and **why **have the collection of said particles form a human person with a brain?
It raises the question of organization!
The God of the gaps doesn’t win by default just because a question cannot be answered.
Yes. I think superstition is the soul provenance of the educationally subnormal.
It’s an organ known as the brain.
Evolution by mutation in period doubling cascade and natural selection transformed our physical makeup and cells that contain the human genome account for the other 10%.
I simply don’t consider these drivelling sentimental outburst of blithering piety, pomposity and stupidity worth a second’s meditation.
Because I want to know my enemy.Why waste time on a philosophy forum when you should be living your life? You can fool yourself but you can’t fool everyone else…
And small wonder you are incapable of producing a reasonable one, carrying all that prehistoric metaphysical baggage around. Why, how I pity you.
It applies to you as well my friend, only your vanity prevents you from accepting it.
And your faith in sitting waiting for the touch of the divine fills me with the urge to defecate.
And yours too. Your luck is worse than mine since I at least can understand and influence my experiences. You sit and wait for God to sort you out. Good luck with that.
Yes. I can feel my mind at all times. It’s an intergral part of me.
You’ll never know.
I have a number of close friends whom I spend time engaging with in various pleasurable pursuits.
Only to somoene like you who cannot accept what they are.
You know, the thing about science and scientists? They’re all about the details. And you know what’s in the details?
Is this tirade of abuse supposed to be a philosophical discussion?!Yes. I think superstition is the soul provenance of the educationally subnormal.
It’s an organ known as the brain.
Evolution by mutation in period doubling cascade and natural selection transformed our physical makeup and cells that contain the human genome account for the other 10%.
I simply don’t consider these drivelling sentimental outburst of blithering piety, pomposity and stupidity worth a second’s meditation.
Because I want to know my enemy.
And small wonder you are incapable of producing a reasonable one, carrying all that prehistoric metaphysical baggage around. Why, how I pity you.
It applies to you as well my friend, only your vanity prevents you from accepting it.
And your faith in sitting waiting for the touch of the divine fills me with the urge to defecate.
And yours too. Your luck is worse than mine since I at least can understand and influence my experiences. You sit and wait for God to sort you out. Good luck with that.
Yes. I can feel my mind at all times. It’s an intergral part of me.
You’ll never know.
I have a number of close friends whom I spend time engaging with in various pleasurable pursuits.
Only to somoene like you who cannot accept what they are.
Neither does the “matter-did-it” fantasy…
Science uses various models. To a physicist we may be elementary particles, to a chemist molecules, to a biologist an organism, to a medic a person and to a social scientist part of a group. It wouldn’t make much sense to try to understand laughing in terms of quarks or photon entanglement in terms of botany.
Grains of dirt can’t hold up a roof but a whole bunch cooked into bricks and cemented together can. In the same way, we are composed of particles but are more than that. It’s about organization. A computer chip isn’t just some silicon, and we are a whole lot more complicated than a bunch of chips.
) so why not let scientists have a go and see if they come up with anything?The scientific pursuit of explanations in terms of material causes (“matter did it”) helps us predict and control our environment. “God did it” can’t help us do that though perhaps it can do other things for you.
Yep. There is a long way between “human beings are composed of particles” and “humans are *just *bunches of particles that deserve no more consideration than do lumps of dirt.” What is going on the OP is analogous to atheist attacks on the bearded old man in the sky version of God.Science uses various models. To a physicist we may be elementary particles, to a chemist molecules, to a biologist an organism, to a medic a person and to a social scientist part of a group. It wouldn’t make much sense to try to understand laughing in terms of quarks or photon entanglement in terms of botany.
Grains of dirt can’t hold up a roof but a whole bunch cooked into bricks and cemented together can. In the same way, we are composed of particles but are more than that. It’s about organization. A computer chip isn’t just some silicon, and we are a whole lot more complicated than a bunch of chips.
I assume this means you’ve run out of ideas?Is this tirade of abuse supposed to be a philosophical discussion?!
I’ve run out of patience - like so many others…
I beg to disagree. Materialists believe we are composed **solely **of particles which have “emergent” qualities. One member of this forum explained that the correspondence of belief to reality is an isomorph of atomic particles and that all our activity consists of rearrangements of atomic particles! The old man in the sky is not a patch on that…
The simple unadorned truth! Particles don’t have rights or obligations.
I agree but does it help us predict and control ourselves and other persons? When science is revered as the supreme explanation it becomes a religion. “Matter did it” becomes “Matter did everything”!
“God created everything” helps us to understand what we are and why we exist whereas “matter created everything” reduces us to accidental freaks which exist for no reason or purpose whatsoever…
The idea of emergence is not that particles have emergent properties. It is that while particles have a tendency to form atoms, atoms have properties that particles don’t have and molecules have properties that atoms don’t have, and that cells have properties that molecules don’t have, etc.