Are we really Catholics by choice?

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Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim. I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing. I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with? I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God? If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
 
Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim. I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing. I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with? I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God? If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
WOW you most likely touch upon every single question raised by every single philosophy in Human history! I was raised Catholic. I left Catholicism in my mid 30s because I heard the gospel preached in a way I never had from a Catholic pulpit. And it STILL isn’t preached that way, by the way. I never left God, I just left Catholicism. In those years (count: approximately eight) I studied other religions (but raised my daughter in Christianity and to love Jesus). Upon her death I was brought, INSTANTLY, back into Catholicism. Why? I can’t answer that except to say that the closest to “truth” (biblical truth) appears to be Roman Catholicism and because my lifelong (from early childhood) attachment to the Blessed Mother led me back.

I don’t think anyone “knows” God; I think we attempt to know Him. Our straight and narrow path is through Jesus who said (it is in today’s gospel readings) “I am the way, the truth and the life.” If we examine Protestantism, its origins appear to be Martin Luther who has (historically proven) changed words in the NT to suit his own doctrine (and, when asked about what the Church would say, answered, “The Papists be damned”). Protestantism does not have “truth”. I know it. I’ve heard sufficient glaring inaccurate statements from the pulpit many, many times. I’ve heard, more than several times, such pastors say that “if you are ill, it is because your faith is not sufficient.” Now I know this to be false.

Does the RC church have all the answers? I know there are many who believe it does but I consider myself unable to answer that question. I do not know if it is possible for any Human Being (or any other sort of being for that matter in this enormous universe) to have ALL the ANSWERS. I think, rather, that God intends that the “answers” come to us individually and internally. I think that if “we” had “all the answers” we would be in paradise.

I am Catholic by choice. I know there are many who would consider me a great sinner because I cannot acknowledge that our species has a real comprehension of “truth”. But then, we are taught, “Judge not”.
 
Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim.
These are good thoughts and questions. I believe you are entering what I call the prodigal phase…which many / most people go through at some point (mine was 35 years.:D)
This phase is one of questioning, exploring and possibly even moving far from the faith. Yet - I think that you will wind up right back where you started (at least I did).
I believe that the issue here is that when on has had the benefit of being raised in the one True Church they don’t know what it feels like to be without it…Learning that, can take some time.
I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing.
Understood, but this idea can be deceiving. Just because a faith believes in “One God” doesn’t necessarily follow that it is THE one God.
I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with?
We trust to God’s mercy and Justice.
I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God?
We can have an entire thread on just this idea. 😃
The Catholic Church does not have “exceptions” to who can know God. The Catechism itself addresses this question.
“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.” (Para 847)
If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
Can’t answer the first part of your question, but as for the second - yes I believe we have an obligation to seek the Truth. I don’t think that necessarily requires one to learn the worlds religions…but such study can be highly useful.

Knowing God is a complicated topic…

Peace
James
 
If you go to Mass on Sunday morning, then you are a Catholic by choice.

There are reasonable answers to these other questions that the above posters have explained. I pray that you will respond to this flood of questions you’re having through study.
 
=LeahMarie222;12004325]Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim. I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing. I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with? I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God? If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
Two points my friend,
  1. Being “born into the CC is a very special GRACE” that MANY throughaway later in life.
  2. The desire to seek truth is written on our hearts. Once we have possession of it; it is extremely dangerous to put it at risk. So say an extra prayer for mom and dad to night:thumbsup:
God BLESS You!
Patrick
 
If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it
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Yes , I know because I did ! Even though I had been raised a very strict Protestant.
I feel that I have the Holy Spirit to thank ( and I do ) !
And, I think there are many, many other Converts to Catholicism . 👍 🙂
 
Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim. I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing. I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with? I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God? If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
I am a Catholic by choice because I know it is the church Jesus founded. Therefore I only want to keep learning about Christ’s church. The more I read and learn the more I discover its a beautiful faith which many don’t realise including myself until recent years.
 
Yes , I know because I did ! Even though I had been raised a very strict Protestant.
I feel that I have the Holy Spirit to thank ( and I do ) !
And, I think there are many, many other Converts to Catholicism . 👍 🙂
👍:signofcross:
 
If you go to Mass on Sunday morning, then you are a Catholic by choice.

There are reasonable answers to these other questions that the above posters have explained. I pray that you will respond to this flood of questions you’re having through study.
There are plenty of people who attend Sunday mass that are not particularly catholic in my mind!
 
Hi LeahMarie!
Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life.
Actually, being a US citizen usually affords you an opportunity to be “exposed” to plenty compared to, say, being raised in Iran, China, etc.
When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim.
And yet here you are questioning. Your question obviates your unstated premise - that we will become what our parents raised us as!
I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing.
In this you are partially mistaken. While it is true that we are all drawn - by the grace of God - to the Truth we do not all find it to the same degree. Religion is an expression of that supernatural desire to know the Truth. It proposes parameters of the truth and a path to follow. The parameters and paths - while often related due to the truths shared between some faiths - are different and therefore do not all end at the same location.
I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary.
Struggle no more: all religions are exclusionary. The reason is because they propose parameters of what constitutes the truth. Truth and non-truth mutually exclusive; something can’t be true and simultaneously untrue. You might even say that the truth “excludes” non-truth.😉 That is why all religions - to some extent - are, and should be, exclusionary.
When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with?
First off realize that It does not “exclude” them from going to the Father. It means that if they “come to the Father” it is done through Him. Why? Because He and the Father are one. He has revealed a Truth that - if viewed as simply a human speaking - is so ridiculously arrogant and narcissistic that it’s hard to imagine anyone wold listen to him, let alone be quoting Him 2000 years later. Yet if He spoke more than merely human wisdom then somehow those words would serve to inspire and motivate followers until the end of time to wrestle with what they mean. And yet here we are doing just that…
I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God?
God is love. Know love - in all of it’s applications in every circumstance - and you will know God. Why has God chosen to reveal what love in all it’s applications means through founding a Church rather than using your plan or mine? That is in many ways a mystery. I can assure you, however,that if the past is any indication of the future then God’s plan will prove to be far superior to mine (yours).
If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it?
I neither believe it nor disbelieve it, but I hope so. I’m sure we could calculate some odds - but does that answer your question? People and nations have been converted to various faiths - Catholicism among them - and people of the Catholic faith, and other faiths, have left their faiths and converted to others.
Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
We have an obligation to follow the Truth; God has placed this desire in every human heart and it is our beacon to finding Him. The Catholic Church is His gift to us and our guide in navigating this difficult path during our lives.
 
Two points my friend,
  1. Being “born into the CC is a very special GRACE” that MANY throughaway later in life.
  2. The desire to seek truth is written on our hearts. Once we have possession of it; it is extremely dangerous to put it at risk. So say an extra prayer for mom and dad to night:thumbsup:
God BLESS You!
Patrick
I was born into the CC but I did not throw it away. I was raised atheist and was not taught the essentials of the faith as a child. I have never seen it modeled in its fullness. I did not have any choice in the matter. I could say with a high degree of confidence that there are others who share my upbringing in spite of being born into the CC. It was only as an adult and after much study and exposure to people who lived the Catholic life in its fullness did I realize that the graces available to me by my baptism as a baby were still available to me in spite of my upbringing as an atheist. I pray that the same grace also awaits others who were not raised in the faith.
 
Born to Catholic parents, I was raised Catholic from birth - attended catholic schools from grade school through grad school. I wasn’t exposed to many other religions throughout my life. When your religion and faith are instilled in you from a child, I often wonder if one has truly 'chosen" one’s particular religion/faith. If I had been born to Jewish parents I would probably be practicing Judaism. If I were born to Islamic parents, I would probably be a practicing Muslim. I am coming to believe that we are all praying to and believing in ONE God, regardless of the religion we are practicing. I have been struggling with the idea that Christianity can seem to be exclusionary. When Jesus said, “no one comes to the Father, EXCEPT through Me…”, what does that mean for all the others who so faithfully practice the religions they were born into and raised with? I struggle with the word “EXCEPT” in the passage above. Why would Jesus, and we as Catholics, have “exceptions” to who can know God? If you had been born non-Catholic, do you believe you would at some point have learned about Catholicism and converted to it? Do you believe people have an obligation to learn about world religions to find the “true” religion?
I’m going to draw on personal experience to partly answer your question. I’m Catholic now, used to be Protestant, and atheist before that. As a kid, I had some Presbyterian Sunday School, but dropped out in the early years of high school, and became atheist.

Now I’ve often said on this forum, to the point of being a bore about it, my father appeared in my room the night he died. He started with an apology for a lifetime of deliberate cruelty, we argued and talked, and at the end he gave this almighty scream and then just disappeared.

I think he’s in Hell personally. There are others who disagree, but they didn’t witness the terrifying scream. Incidentally as a rough rule of thumb, if you have an ordinary dream you’ll probably have forgotten it within a few hours, if you remember it at all. But if you have a “spiritual dream” or “vision”, you’ll remember it. It’s one of the differences.

And i still remember this event 35 years later, including much of what we said.

However at one stage I was complaining about how he’s wrecked what might be called my vocational choice, in two ways - he’d completely destroyed my confidence, which meant that I didn’t take opportunities that I should have done. He also admitted (confessed) “I’ve damaged your mind.”

But when I complained about the lack of career openings as a result of his actions, he replied, “It’s (career / social status / public recognition) not even important!”. Since I think he was being judged, and he could see things from a new spiritual perspective, then I assume our “careers” and social standing don’t count for much in the divine economy. After all it was Christ who said, “Blessed are the poor…”. He most definitely did NOT say “Blessed are the rich, and the manipulators, and the self important”

Incidentally my old pastor was to say some years later, when I was talking to him about the same thing, he commented, “When I was about your age, I was a bit like you - I wanted my place in the sun.” He went on to add, “it’s not that important, really”.

Anyway, when my apparition of a father made the comment about these things not being very important, I blurted out with some frustration, “Then what is important?”

He replied “How you treat other people!” It’s a pity he didn’t learn that truth earlier himself in dealing with his own family. He was, in his own admission on the night, “an absolute mongrel” to us.

So I think that regardless of what other people might believe, as conditioned by their culture, their upbringing, their native religion, their level of education or the lack of it, their social statues or poverty, or anything else, one of the prime considerations is going to be “how they treated other people!”.

Or if you like, whether we visited Christ when He was poor, sick, in prison, persecuted, hungry, cold, naked … or whether we didn’t. And that will just as important as a formal Christian faith, something many people are not in a condition to easily achieve.

Every single one of us - Christian, Jew, Moslem, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist - will face that particular test.

And my father failed.
 
=Povero;12004695]WOW you most likely touch upon every single question raised by every single philosophy in Human history! I was raised Catholic. I left Catholicism in my mid 30s because I heard the gospel preached in a way I never had from a Catholic pulpit. And it STILL isn’t preached that way, by the way. I never left God, I just left Catholicism. In those years (count: approximately eight) I studied other religions (but raised my daughter in Christianity and to love Jesus). Upon her death I was brought, INSTANTLY, back into Catholicism. Why? I can’t answer that except to say that the closest to “truth” (biblical truth) appears to be Roman Catholicism and because my lifelong (from early childhood) attachment to the Blessed Mother led me back.
I don’t think anyone “knows” God; I think we attempt to know Him. Our straight and narrow path is through Jesus who said (it is in today’s gospel readings) “I am the way, the truth and the life.” If we examine Protestantism, its origins appear to be Martin Luther who has (historically proven) changed words in the NT to suit his own doctrine (and, when asked about what the Church would say, answered, “The Papists be damned”). Protestantism does not have “truth”. I know it. I’ve heard sufficient glaring inaccurate statements from the pulpit many, many times. I’ve heard, more than several times, such pastors say that “if you are ill, it is because your faith is not sufficient.” Now I know this to be false.
Does the RC church have all the answers? I know there are many who believe it does but I consider myself unable to answer that question. I do not know if it is possible for any Human Being (or any other sort of being for that matter in this enormous universe) to have ALL the ANSWERS. I think, rather, that God intends that the “answers” come to us individually and internally. I think that if “we” had “all the answers” we would be in paradise.
I am Catholic by choice. I know there are many who would consider me a great sinner because I cannot acknowledge that our species has a real comprehension of “truth”. But then, we are taught, “Judge not”.
My friend, even though not directly intended; by leaving the Ony Church and faith that is GOD APPROVED [mt. 16:15-19; Mt, 28:16-20; John 17:13-22; John 20:19-23

YOU HAVE deserted God. To abandon His Church is the same as abandoning God.

Eph. 4: 4-7
" [COLOR=“Red”]One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, **one **baptism. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all. But to every one of us is given grace, according to the measure of the giving of Christ."

Heb. 6: 4-8
“For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt.”

You presume a right not given to man, to dictate to God HOW he desires to be Worshiped. Amen🤷

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
=Sarcelle;12006361]I was born into the CC but I did not throw it away. I was raised atheist and was not taught the essentials of the faith as a child. I have never seen it modeled in its fullness. I did not have any choice in the matter. I could say with a high degree of confidence that there are others who share my upbringing in spite of being born into the CC. It was only as an adult and after much study and exposure to people who lived the Catholic life in its fullness did I realize that the graces available to me by my baptism as a baby were still available to me in spite of my upbringing as an atheist. I pray that the same grace also awaits others who were not raised in the faith.
Like I said being BORN into the CC, which is histrically and biblically provable to be the One true Church

Founded by Christ

Has the totality of Teachings ACCEPTABLE to Christ

And alone is protected, guided and guarded by Christ

But anyone, willing to put at risk there Eternal salvation; CAN [not the same as “may” choose to leaven her; or in your case NOT join in your birthright.

Works & Commandments
Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

Rev.2: 23 “a**nd I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.”

1 Peter 1: 17 “Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one’s works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning,

“ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

Rom.2: 13 “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.”

John 3:5 “Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him."

Jn.14: 21-23 He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him”

Here are the options given by GOD to every man:

Ecclesiasticus 15:18 “Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him”

Deuteronomy 30:19** 'I call heaven and earth to witness this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life, that both thou and thy seed may live"**

My prayer for you friend, is that you freely choose LIFE:thumbsup:
 
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