Are we reduced to ignorance living in this lowest world?

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How much is there to be known? How much of it are we in this lowly world allowed access to?

My take is that we truly are ignorant, even for knowledge of this material world. There certainly are upper-worlds that contain spiritual beings that are infinitely more intelligent than we here in this world.

**Be humble!!! **
 
Ignorance eh?

Not too many years ago (let’s say about 400), all the knowledge of Mankind could probably be confined to 10,000 books.
Today, science alone, probably generates 10,000 books each year in new ideas, techniques, theories, discoveries …

I have a close relative who teaches Medicine at a state university.
He’s been a full Professor in his Sub-specialty for more than 30 years.
He reads all of the relevant Medical journals each month, including quite a bit about all of the other Sub-specialties within his Specialty.
His research and learning pretty-much take up all of his Free time.

He has told me more than once, he gets many questions from students in his Specialty, that he just can’t answer.
So, he will call a professor of that particular Sub-specialty, and hope that he knows it.

This suggests to me that very few people have a low amount of ignorance.
 
4love2God said:
Ignorance eh?

Not too many years ago (let’s say about 400), all the knowledge of Mankind could probably be confined to 10,000 books.
Today, science alone, probably generates 10,000 books each year in new ideas, techniques, theories, discoveries …

I have a close relative who teaches Medicine at a state university.
He’s been a full Professor in his Sub-specialty for more than 30 years.
He reads all of the relevant Medical journals each month, including quite a bit about all of the other Sub-specialties within his Specialty.
His research and learning pretty-much take up all of his Free time.

He has told me more than once, he gets many questions from students in his Specialty, that he just can’t answer.
So, he will call a professor of that particular Sub-specialty, and hope that he knows it.

This suggests to me that very few people have a low amount of ignorance.
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This MD knows how to read, write and memorize, but that’s not wisdom.
 
4love2God said:
. . .Today, science alone, probably generates 10,000 books each year in new ideas, techniques, theories, discoveries … …
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In my cynical opinion:
  • “Publish or perish” is not a good thing.
  • Too much useless stuff is filling library shelves.
  • Probably, the number of useful books is far less than 10,000 in total.
  • also, the medical system is fantastic . . . unless you have need to use it.
    I am very jaded.
 
As far as the material world is concerned I know very little, as far as the supernatural world goes I know less. What I do know is this, the God of the universe became man and died for my sins. So in the “grand theme of things” I know all I need to.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How much is there to be known? How much of it are we in this lowly world allowed access to?

My take is that we truly are ignorant, even for knowledge of this material world. There certainly are upper-worlds that contain spiritual beings that are infinitely more intelligent than we here in this world.

**Be humble!!! **
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And as Socrates says, “The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.”
 
God created us with an intellect by which we can come to know Him. The truly ignorant are those who choose to be so. If we are in ignorance we cannot know God. Since God wants us to know Him we cannot be reduced to ignorance.
 
Ignorance seems to be the path of least resistance.

Go with the flow. 🙂
 
The poll question uses idiot. Idiot seems to go toward “stupid,” not “ignorant.”

Stupid cannot built the complex society we have.

Ignorant has two extremes: zero knowledge to total knowledge.

We are off zero for sure but we have no true idea how close to or far from total knowledge we are.

As God is the possessor of total knowledge, and I don’t see how we will ever be God, but only able to share in His Glory, we will, for all eternity, be ignorant to some degree.

I am OK with that. Being with God for all eternity is way more than I deserve.
 
IMO, if we were to suddenly given all the knowledge that exists, we could not handle it, or probably even comprehend most of it. We think in terms of what is known, what can be proven by science, what can be seen, touched, handled, etc.

Although higher knowledge, like the knowledge the angels and demons have, does exist, but we are just not meant to know of it…it does make one wonder though, what would our societies be like if we did have even some of this knowledge!!! I think it would look much different than the world we live in today!

Sometimes I wonder if ancient civilizations actually knew more than we do today, I do believe it possible for some knowledge to be lost to the ages or just forgotten over the centuries. Many people claim there is an ancient library under the Sphinx in Egypt, I just wonder what some of the things they knew back then…We do know alot of ancient people have very good knowledge of the solar system, yet how could this be possible?

Plus, if you look around, many of their structures and buildings are still intact, some are more advanced than what we can build today, the city of Macho Picho (not sure of the spelling on that) comes to mind, some of the walls around their city were built with such precision, we could not duplicate it today,even though we have all kinds of technology, computers, equipment, etc.

NO, Im not suggesting aliens had a hand in this!!! LOL.

I tend to think many ancient civilizations were much smarter than we think and some probably surpassed our modern knowledge, but was just lost to the ages.

Also ask yourself, what will be left of our civilization after another 5000 years? what will people then finding our artifacts think of our time period and what we knew?
 
shoe said:
And as Socrates says, “The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.”
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Thank you for that quote, I really enjoyed it.

It also reminds me of the reading for this week’s mass.
1 Corinthians 3:18-23:
18 Don’t fool yourselves! If any of you think you are wise in the things of this world, you will have to become foolish before you can be truly wise. 19 This is because God considers the wisdom of this world to be foolish. It is just as the Scriptures say, “God catches the wise when they try to outsmart him.” 20 The Scriptures also say, “The Lord knows that the plans made by wise people are useless.” 21-22 So stop bragging about what anyone has done. Paul and Apollos and Peter all belong to you. In fact, everything is yours, including the world, life, death, the present, and the future. Everything belongs to you, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
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Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Ignorance is one of the effects of original sin. Adam and Eve were blessed with the gifts of integrity and `original justice which implies God gave them sanctifying grace and virtues. Adam is said to have named all the animals. The Holy Spirit was given as a gift. all truth proceeds from the Holy Spirit When Adam sinned we lost the Holy Spirit of truth and cast into the state of ignorance, weakness and vulnerable to sin. Creation has been in a struggle for the truth since. a Redeemer was promised, otherwise we would all still be in a state of complete ignorance. That is why it is said that "the world was in darkness, and the Light came into the world…

Understanding how we gain knowledge from the material world by the use of our intelligence, we experience physical fatigue, and physical mental limitations in our pursuit of knowledge. We experience a limited mental capacity, not an unlimited one. When the soul leaves the body with its faculties of knowing, It is no longer limited in its capacity to know by its former physical limitations. God will infuse His knowledge into our souls We will know as we are known, in the Beatific Vision we will know all things which will take an eternity, for God is eternity and truth. Here on earth we barely scratched the surface. God desires that we master the material world as the embodied spirits that we are, but we must master ourselves first by His grace, The Holy Spirit as Adam first was given.
 
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