Are we slaves inside these bodies?

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meltzerboy said:
I think the Hasidic viewpoint of our being souls first and united with glorified bodies only at the end of time when we are resurrected is in keeping with most Christian, including Catholic, thought. Personally, I’m not in agreement since I don’t think the Torah and Talmud give us enough information on what form–body, soul alone, or both–the afterlife will take. Hasidism is taking a leap of faith concerning this. OTOH, religion itself requires a leap of faith.

Hasidism is not uniform in believing that the body is evil even though it is prone to harm, injury, suffering, pain, and temptation. In fact, Hasidism teaches that the most mundane and common behavior which depends on bodily processes–such as eating and sex–can be regarded as holy and spiritual acts.
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Please do not take this as an insult, but I think that your livelihood as a professor is dependent upon your conforming to the make-believe as portrayed by the mass media. This also is true for you to delve into the Hasidic philosophy. You just can’t do it and expect your livelihood to continue. It got so bad for me that I had to pass on several prestigious positions to fully practice my religious faith. I chose religion, first and foremost, and had to settle for a low paying job within the UCLA School of Law, but I got to practice my faith to its fullest, including my study of the Tanya. Again, professors are largely conformist to the values and norms in the professional world, and in conformity to the make-believe portrayed by the mass media. Religion is only a leap of faith if you judge it in relation to the phony make-believe world we live in.

The Tanya is such a rich source of wisdom, and I often wonder why more Jews and Catholics don’t study and practice it.

Yes, sex and eating can be viewed as spiritual acts in Judaism in general. But so can fasting and abstinence from sex be viewed as spiritual acts.
 
Fairwinds said:
you’re acting like you’re the only one here who hasn’t experienced sorrow and tragedy through the loss of loved ones, sickness, etc.
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But I did experience these things. Are you sure you did not make a typo?
 
Fairwinds said:
we’re all just bit players in the Drama of your life.
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I don’t understand your comments. Sounds like it may be sarcasm of some sort. Please relate it to my posts so the readers can make an informed judgment. Your statement is ambiguous as it now stands.
 
I previously stated that this life can be hell-like, but I want to add to that by stating that this life can be a real purgatory for many. Pain and suffering, yes, but many saints did their purgatory here on earth.
 
Robert_Sock said:
“But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.” -John 14:26 (Douay Rheims)

John 14:26 is all the proof I need.

The least you could do is to give God credit for our technological advances, such as how to prevent polio!
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I did give God credit… he made us with a brain with built-in tool making abilities.

as far as the ‘all things’ the bible is talking about refers to all spiritual knowledge as in the deposit of faith.

Otherwise God is playing favorites with his people by giving some people technological knowledge while depriving others.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How can hell be punishing unless the soul is imprisoned within a physical body? Does anybody else consider this life as a hell like state?

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well, there are possibly souls in hell without bodies right now.

I don’t consider this life like hell even though it seems hellish at times. This is a MORTAL life. So bad things are going to happen to us simply because this is the state of our existence.
 
Robert_Sock said:
My brother recently died of pancreatic cancer and life suddenly became hell-like for him. The same can happen to you or me on short notice. I’ll bet that your attitude would change if you experienced inescapable, extreme pain and suffering, day in and day out. I pray that it never happens to any of us, of course.

Look at all the starving children who live in inescapable pain and suffering. Again, I think your attitude would change if you were stuck in such a body. It must be hell-like.
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I’m very sorry for the loss of your brother. Watching a loved one in pain is a pain of a unique sort.

But perhaps you should see what the Church teaches about suffering and it’s purpose in life. Personally, I’d rather suffer in this life and offer my suffering to God than suffer eternally in the next.
 
vsedriver said:
I did give God credit… he made us with a brain with built-in tool making abilities.

as far as the ‘all things’ the bible is talking about refers to all spiritual knowledge as in the deposit of faith.

Otherwise God is playing favorites with his people by giving some people technological knowledge while depriving others.
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What your saying, if I understand you correctly, is that God is not to be given credit for the vaccination against polio; you’re really not too clear about this, so let us know if this is your contention? My contention is that God created EVERYTHING, and He departs his knowledge to those which He chooses.
Vanity of vanities! All is vanity. What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun? That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one might say, ‘See this, it is new’? Already it has existed for ages which were before us. There is no remembrance of earlier things, and also of the later things which will occur; there will be for them no remembrance among those who will come later still.
-Ecclesiastes 1:2-3, 7–11
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As for your last paragraph, God has always played favorites, just read about the Israelites in the Old Testament! Also, God may very well depart His knowledge equally among all nations, but not all nations have the corporate power to hoard the natural resources necessary to cause technology to flourish. Maybe we just need to wait and see if all the people who suffered great hardship are much higher than us in Heaven. Finally, you seem to be totally dismissing the teaching of the Tanya (and I know it’s not a part of Catholic theology) that states that there are indeed upper worlds above us that God created. Again, yes, I believe our technology flows from these upper-worlds.
 
vsedriver said:
I’m very sorry for the loss of your brother. Watching a loved one in pain is a pain of a unique sort.

But perhaps you should see what the Church teaches about suffering and it’s purpose in life. Personally, I’d rather suffer in this life and offer my suffering to God than suffer eternally in the next.
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👍 We agree!
 
vsedriver said:
well, there are possibly souls in hell without bodies right now.

I don’t consider this life like hell even though it seems hellish at times. This is a MORTAL life. So bad things are going to happen to us simply because this is the state of our existence.
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See post #47 when I say that this life can act as a purgatory. Perhaps hell is different.
 
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