Are we that out of touch?

[BabaMary]

Not a Roman rite Catholic, but of the Eastern tradition (totally Catholic).

But I have a few questions of “traditionalists”:

Since our church (Ukrainian) follows a different liturgy (St. John Chrystosom or St. Basil) than the Latin churches, our churches has had over the years some Latins who decide to come to our “more correct” church. (I have witnessed a lot of hatred expressed about NO - which is hard for me to understand.)

What I don’t understand is a “traditionalist” who has decided to follow only what “rules” they believe in, things such as:
*don’t think they can trust others to teach their children the faith (and we do not use any Latin rite books, so that isn’t the issue of supporting “the changes of Vatican II”
*don’t belong to the parish, or register with it - was that a “tradition” before VCII?
*decide when and where their children are ready to receive Holy Communion, without any involvement of the parish priest (was that “traditional”?) - we recently had a family show up on Easter Day with two girls in full First Communion attire, having never spoke to the parish priest about receiving the sacrament
*although our Eastern Catholic church has different traditions for receiving Communion (i.e., traditionally Communion is received standing), the traditionalist insists on receiving kneeling (most often, our priests allow it, but is is not our tradition)
*some traditionalists insist it is only right to wear a mantilla or other head covering, but remove it immediately when the Liturgy is completed - even though in Rome, even female visitors to sacred churches are required to wear a head covering (and since there is no Mass, Liturgy, or other service in progress) - so, is the head covering to show respect of the place, or only as part of the apparel worn during a service?
*many of the traditionalists I have had contact with continue to recount “horrible abuses” of the Mass that occurred 20 or 30 years ago; did they ever visit a Catholic church today? I do personally prefer my Eastern Catholic church, but while traveling I have been at many Masses that were very meaningful

Mind you, in my own church, we have used the European language and English for over 35 years, but there are still people who want to return to just the language of their childhood only (i.e., no sermons even in English); almost all of these people have none or very few of their own children who are practicing Catholics - is the same true of “traditionalists”, and do their children also believe and pick and choose as they want like their parents? I recently was told by a “traditionalist” that he did not see a need to talk to the priest and participate as a member of the parish, because “God knows what I have done” - doesn’t that sound more like a Protestant than a Catholic?

 

[weepixie71]

Respectfully, yes.

It’s also not the point of this thread.

ditto… im proud of my Catholic language

 

[weepixie71]

foxscape - Physical discipline was the norm both at school and at home. God help me if I cut up at school. Not only would I get it at school, often I would get much worse at home. Yes, your father is right and I agree with him. Beating a kid because he or she can’t do a math problem does not teach them math. Vatican II had nothing to do with the dissolution of these practices - the world changed. That, however, is for another thread.

I wish I had a nickle for every time I hear that old shibboleth that we didn’t know what was being said in Latin. I am of Acadian (Cajun French) ancestry and French ancestry. French was spoken in both sets of grandparents’ homes until the turn of the twentieth century. Neither my mother nor my father grew up speaking French. There were newspapers published in French and German in New Orleans until around 1910. My godfather was Sicilian. “Unc” spoke Italian. All went to Mass in Latin and all understood it.

i am readily to admit i am not the sharpest pencil in the pencil box.
i have attended the tridentine mass for a few yrs now. in 3mts time of attending the tridentine mass, i knew what was going on and enough latin i knew what i was saying and responding to. i agree with you. if people didnt know what they were responding to or what was being said before vat II, then it would have been do to lack of care to learn it at mass, school, and home.
to learn all i had to do was set aside my missal and read a little bit of it a day.