Are we too critical of homosexuals?

[Sarcelle]

It is a ridiculous question. God made homosexuals, and at a rate that we don’t need to worry about the whole world turning gay and there being no reproduction.

Population is declining in some countries not because of an increase in homosexuality but because of artificial birth control.

 

[Sarcelle]

In popular culture if you’re a woman and if you don’t have a male sexual partner you must have a female sexual partner.

Abstinence is unheard of.

 

[DAGZ]

As I stated earlier I was not clear on that, thank you for pointing it out. Everyone can repent from sin even homosexuals.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

I only just learnt that homosexual is defined as “sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.” Most people think it means someone who engages in gay sex.

So then how do we differentiate between the two because someone who abstains from having gay sex isn’t committing a sin whereas someone who engages in gay sex is committing a sin.
The only term I can think of is sodomite which is defined as “a person who engages in anal intercourse.”

So are we too critical of homosexuals… Yes.
Are we too critical of sodomites… No.

 

[annad347]

But I’ve never seen anything like that at Mass.

If you did would it really be on us to start saying I cant believe they took The Eucharist?

I know either Jesus or Paul said something about watching out for sinners in our church…about taking them about it or something like that… I think, I could be wrong…Incant really remember

But Jesus also said something about casting the first stone… that one I know for sure.

Okay not sure what I’m saying but I believe theres a point in the two verses on us not being so critical.

Scandal is a sin that few people can even define anymore, let alone comprehend.

True.

 

[Neithan]

Your first marriage may not have been a valid sacramental marriage. Why not seek a decree of nullity? There is natural and legal marriage, that is not sacramental. When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well, he was referring to her husbands by the law at that time, which also permitted divorce “because of hardness of heart” (Matthew 19:8). Jesus revealed marriage in its ideal and gave us the sacrament of marriage, “so what God has joined together, let man not separate” (Matthew 19:6 cf. Mark 10:9). Come back to the church, brother.

As for homosexuals, it depends. If we’re telling them they are going to hell just because they are attracted to their own sex, then yes, we are too critical. If we are telling them that trying to have sex with their own sex is a sin, then no, we are not too critical. It’s also obvious from plain biology, which might be why we have this “Pride” movement that is becoming ever more aggressive. It’s revealing of some deep insecurity (“Thou doth protest too much”). Be kind and compassionate, but don’t confirm their confusion.

 

[DAGZ]

I updated my post because of not recognizing inactive Homosexuals and that they can repent. However, I do not repent of anything else.

Peace

 

[DAGZ]

“Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.” (KJV+ John 4:9)

The woman was a Samaritan which were a mixture of Jew rejects and gentles. They did not obey “Moses’ law” but believed in God, and as the story shows, in Christ. This woman’s had 5 marriages, 4 divorces and was living in fornication with the last. This kind of living is why the Jews had nothing to do with Samaritans.
A Samaritan was also the only one who stopped and helped in Christ’s parable.

Like I said, was Catholic, I have left all churches of man because I don’t believe in man’s doctrines. There is one true church that has no walls or roof, there is no written membership or certificates of paper. True Christians don’t go to Church they are the Church 24/7.

I agree with your view of homosexuality. As Christians (Catholics are Christians too) we can not support or condone and evil practice. However, on the same note anyone that is truly seeking Christ with the desire to repent and become a new person needs to be spiritually embrased and supported by the church including homosexuals. I was not clear about this in my initial post so I updated it.

We can’t let dogs into the flock if they want to remain dogs. However, if a dog hates being a dog and wants to be a sheep he/she can be adopted into the flock.

“6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” (KJV+ Mat 7:6)

“26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.” (KJV+ Mat 15:26-28)

Peace.

 

[DAGZ]

There is no comparison between a remarried divorcee and a homosexual.

I was unclear and edited my original post. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

 

[PetraG]

So please stop condemning the repented for sins that were forgiven just because they don’t live up to what you believe. It is not my fault if you don’t understand things beyond the constraints of man’s doctrine that decide what is forgiven and what is not or who becomes new and who does not.

I’m not quite sure how saying I am confused was condemning anything? Speaking of condemnation, though, there absolutely is a difference between someone who attempts marriage in good faith (as you seem to have done) but fails to contract a valid marriage and a deliberate pattern of fornication. Of course there is! Provided that that an unintentional invalid attempt at marriage is what happened (which you appear to believe in good faith is exactly what happened, at least with regards to your own choices and intentions, if not your first wife’s), there was no sin on your part in your first attempt at marriage. Faults are often accidental, but sins aren’t committed without intention to violate divine law that is understood on some level, even if on the level of the natural law written on the heart.

Without going into details, I hope you will understand if I believe the Church’s understanding of marriage is more internally consistent than yours is.

 

[Rau]

Speaking as a gay, celibate Catholic…

You see what I had to do there? I had to say ‘celibate’ because if i didn’t specify the assumption by a lot of people who read this would be that they hope I leave my “sinful lifestyle”

But in fairness, there is ambiguity in the word “gay” I think. Often those who use it about themselves mean it to also imply an acceptance that having same sex attractions justifies same sex sexual acts.

 

[merrycoffeeday]

I may be wrong but I don’t believe Christ set the table of the Lord for just straight people.

 

[vz71]

But in fairness, there is ambiguity in the word “gay” I think.

This.

In usurping the word, those that did so forgot to nail down a definition.
So is Gay actively attempting sex?
Or is gay referring to simply SSA.

And if it is, why do so many reject the term homosexual in favor of this?

 

[Lea101]

In usurping the word, those that did so forgot to nail down a definition.
So is Gay actively attempting sex?
Or is gay referring to simply SSA.

And if it is, why do so many reject the term homosexual in favor of this?

I don’t think a boy who sits his parents down and says “Mom, Dad, I’m gay” is trying to say “Mom Dad, I’m now actively trying to have sex with other men”

And if it is, why do so many reject the term homosexual in favor of this?

It’s just a more colloquial term. Like straight = heterosexual.

 

[vz71]

I don’t think a boy who sits his parents down and says “Mom, Dad, I’m gay” is trying to say “Mom Dad, I’m now actively trying to have sex with other men”

Perhaps, but the term still has ambiguity attached to it.

It’s just a more colloquial term. Like straight = heterosexual.

I believe you.
But it doesn’t appear the term is always used that way.

 

[Lea101]

But it doesn’t appear the term is always used that way

When has it been used to indicate someone’s sex life?

 

[gracepoole]

It’s a word coined to advance the homosexual agenda. It can mean anything, from people hating homosexuals to people rejecting their lifestile. It just serve a way to generate a negative emotion toward the people labeled with it. Just as other words of the current propaganda, like “racist”, “sexist” etc

So racism and sexism don’t exist? Before answering remember that you’ve said these terms are just like homophobia, which you claim was created only to advance an agenda and generate negative emotions.

 

[vz71]

When has it been used to indicate someone’s sex life?

Every time I have a homosexual friend correct me and claim gay instead of homosexual, it implies more to the definition of gay than just homosexual.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Lea101]

it implies more to the definition of gay than just homosexual

I don’t see how that implies them telling you that they’re having sex.

Homosexual isn’t used because many of them find it has a negative connotation (probably because it’s almost so clinical like and homosexuality was seen as a disorder) And like i said, it’s a more colloquial term so they prefer to be called that. Many straight people would find it weird for people to keep calling them heterosexual as well.

In fact a quick Google shows that they dislike the word because it has sexual in it, and it focuses on sexual acts/attraction. When they also feel romantic attractions.

 

[vz71]

I don’t see how that implies them telling you that they’re having sex.

You are correct, it doesn’t.
But clearly there is more to the definition of homosexual is no longer correct.

Many straight people would find it weird for people to keep calling them heterosexual as well.

I would find it weird, but would not be insulted.

In fact a quick Google shows that they dislike the word because it has sexual in it, and it focuses on sexual acts/attraction. When they also feel romantic attractions.

Romance?
Where exactly is this going then?