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QwertyGirl
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I am glad we are living in a time when people don’t have to hide basic information about themselves, like who they are married to.
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Tommy999
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Not hiding it is one thing. Proclaiming that one is gay or lesbian to others who don’t ask or in a situation where it is not the focus of discussion is quite another.
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Zach
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Yes but according to the Church people of the same sex can’t be married. They can tell whoever they want but if I don’t believe people of the same sex can be married is it also ok for me to tell them that.
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QwertyGirl
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You can tell them whatever you want. There will be consequences, of course. But there always are.
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JoeShlabotnik
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Not my choice. I am following the words of the New Testament of the Bible…
Matthew 7:1-2
Do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7:1-2
Do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
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JoeShlabotnik
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James 4:12
There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?
There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?
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JoeShlabotnik
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Romans 2:1-3
Therefore, you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things.
We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.
Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
Therefore, you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things.
We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.
Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
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Thorolfr
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Would you feel the same if a woman told you that she has a husband? Is that also private? For example, would you find it inappropriate if some woman you didn’t know said by way of conversation, “My husband and I are planning on taking a cruise to the Bahamas next month and I’m really excited about that because I’ve always dreamed of visiting the Bahamas!” Would you think that her mentioning that she’s married to a man to be something that should have remained private?
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Heterosexuals “tell others of their sexual orientation” all the time.
One heterosexual man in the workplace will tell another at the water cooler that he’s going away for the holiday weekend with his significant other.
Another one will have a picture of his wife and kids at his desk.
And so on.
So, when I hear this, “I don’t hate gays as long as they don’t ‘flaunt it,’” (not saying the poster hates gays but that I’ve heard those exact words from others), just think, the rest of us “flaunt it” all the time.
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Lea101
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Why would her wife be private information? That’s really odd. People talk about their partners all the time. To her, it wouldn’t seem unusual to mention about hers.
The fact that she told you probably shows she feels comfortable with you and trusts you enough to not alienate her for it.
Or it could be that this person wants to provoke discomfort or embarrassment.
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nfinke
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Well there’s no “degrees” of “shouldn’t receive the Eucharist”, so if we say fornicators shouldn’t receive it (which we do), and people engaging in homosexuality shouldn’t receive it, were being just as critical of both.
And Catholics have always been against promiscuity, and still are. The only difference is with homosexuality there are massive campaigns advocating it as an inherently good and ordered thing that you should be proud of, and simultaneously saying that any person who thinks otherwise for any reason is a horrible, viscous bigot. There was a similar thing in the sexual revolution, but it mostly consisted of people being accused of being old fashioned, or occasionally misogynistic, but never an essentially Nationwide opinion that anyone who thought people shouldnt have sex outside of marriage were evil and didn’t have a right to speak.
So yes to a more aggressive force there is a more aggressive response. I do feel some people take it way too far, but I think they are in the minority. It remains the case that the Church says having sex before marriage is sinful, even though we know there are people in the faith that do it.
And Catholics have always been against promiscuity, and still are. The only difference is with homosexuality there are massive campaigns advocating it as an inherently good and ordered thing that you should be proud of, and simultaneously saying that any person who thinks otherwise for any reason is a horrible, viscous bigot. There was a similar thing in the sexual revolution, but it mostly consisted of people being accused of being old fashioned, or occasionally misogynistic, but never an essentially Nationwide opinion that anyone who thought people shouldnt have sex outside of marriage were evil and didn’t have a right to speak.
So yes to a more aggressive force there is a more aggressive response. I do feel some people take it way too far, but I think they are in the minority. It remains the case that the Church says having sex before marriage is sinful, even though we know there are people in the faith that do it.
They need to be taught that these are mortal sins (given the three conditions), and that sodomy is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. If youths are left in ignorance, especially about the former, they can fall into horrible habits that take years to break, and be reinforced by their peers “on the street corner” that this is a normal and enjoyable practice. To my knowledge, only Catholicism, Orthodoxy, LDS, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Orthodox Judaism condemn this sin.
No, if they have a “marriage” license, they have made a public statement about themselves, and they enjoy temporal advantages — tax filing status, welfare benefits (potentially), and so on — that, indirectly, you and I pay for. It’s not “private”. Being “married”, whether validly or invalidly, legally or common-law, sinfully or virtuously, has a public dimension.
None of these verses preclude condemning any sinful behavior — they only deal with making an assessment of the state of the soul of the agent. Two entirely different things. Are you suggesting that we stand by silently when other people do things injurious to the social order (or even to themselves), such as:
- hooded mobs lynching black people in the Jim Crow South in the dark of night, illuminated by burning crosses
- perverts reading and dealing in child pornography in the privacy of their own homes (which has at some point involved the exploitation of children)
- bullying meek, socially inept classmates in school
- grifters swindling elderly people out their life’s savings by skipping town after they’ve done shoddy home repairs out of a truck with a magnetic sign on it
- gangsters shooting up a nightclub
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nfinke
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Because what Jesus meant by that was definitely “you shouldn’t think things that God has clearly told you were sins are in fact sins”.
There is a difference between saying “lying is wrong” (a fact), and saying “you tell lies, therefore you are an evil person” (passing judgement)
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Thorolfr
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Why should non-Catholic school children be taught about Catholic views on these topics? Children who were raised Jewish or Baptist, for example, wouldn’t even know what a “mortal sin” is or about the three conditions.strita:
They need to be taught that these are mortal sins (given the three conditions), and that sodomy is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. If youths are left in ignorance, especially about the former, they can fall into horrible habits that take years to break, and be reinforced by their peers “on the street corner” that this is a normal and enjoyable practice. To my knowledge, only Catholicism, Orthodoxy, LDS, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Orthodox Judaism condemn this sin.
Good point.
So why do they need to teach anything at all on the topic?
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Thorolfr
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Probably because some parents don’t really teach their kids much about sex. In that case, they should learn more than they’d learn from the other kids. I personally also think that even if kids have been taught by their parents not to have premarital sex, they should nevertheless learn something about how to make sex safer in the event that they do have sex despite what they were taught. Kids are notorious for rebelling against what their parents tell them to do.Thorolfr:
Good point.
So why do they need to teach anything at all on the topic?
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This is the right of the parents.
Why should the state be making a moral decision such as this?
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frumacat
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This. Straight people disclose basic personal things like this about themselves all the time but when a gay person does it, no matter the context, they’re “flaunting their perverted lifestyle” and “rubbing it in people’s faces”. The double standard is real.
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