Are we true "witnesses"?

[MariaChristi]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Yesterday, the Pope’s “Regina Coeli” message was a beautiful and stirring encouragement to Catholics about being true witnesses. I wonder if many RCIA groups will be hearing something like this in their classes after Easter. I hope so:

In the biblical readings of today’s liturgy, the word “witness” resounds twice. The first time is on the lips of Peter: he, after the healing of the paralytic at the door of the temple of Jerusalem, exclaims: “The author of life you put to death, but God raised him from the dead; of this we are witnesses” (Acts 3:15). The second time is on the lips of Jesus Risen: He, on the evening of Passover opens the minds of the disciples to the mystery of His death and resurrection and says to them: “You are witnesses of these things” (Lk. 24:48). The Apostles, who saw with their own eyes the Risen Christ, could not keep silent about their extraordinary experience. He had revealed himself to them so that the truth of his resurrection could reach everyone through their witness. And the Church has the duty to prolong this mission, every baptized person is called to give witness, with their words and with their lives, that Jesus is risen, that He is alive and present among us. We all are called to give witness that Jesus is alive! We can ask ourselves: who is the witness? The witness is one who has seen, who remembers and who recounts. To see, to remember and to tell are the three verbs that describes the identity and mission.

The witness is one who has seen with objective eyes, he has seen a reality, but not with indifferent eyes; he has seen and involves himself in the event. That is why he remembers, not only because he knows how to precisely reconstruct the events, but also because those facts have spoken and he has grasped their profound meaning. Then the witness recounts, not in a cold and detached way, but as one who has questioned himself, and from that the day has changed his life. The witness is someone has changed his life. The content of a Christian witness is not a theory, an ideology or a complex system of precepts and prohibitions, or even a moralism. But rather a message of salvation, a concrete event, indeed a Person: it is Christ Risen, living and sole Savior of all. He can be witnessed by those who have had a personal experience of Him, in prayer and in the Church, through a path that has its foundation in Baptism, its nourishment in the Eucharist, its seal in Confirmation, its continuing conversion in Penance. Thanks to this path, always guided by the Word of God, every Christian can become a witness of Jesus risen. And his witness is all the more credible the more it is evident by a way of living that is evangelical, joyful, courageous, meek, peaceful, merciful. Instead, if the Christian lets himself be taken by comfort, by vanity, by selfishness, he becomes deaf and blind to the question of the “resurrection” of so many brothers. How can he communicate the living Jesus, how can he communicate the liberating power of Jesus Christ, his infinite tenderness? May Mary, our Mother, sustain us through Her intercession, so that we can become, with our limitations, but with the grace of faith, witnesses of the Risen Lord, bringing to the people who we find the Easter gifts of joy and peace.

Many of us who were baptized as infants, did not hear about Catholics being “witnesses” or even the word “evangelization” until perhaps Pope St. John Paul II began calling Catholics to a “New Evangelization”. I pray that our newly baptized and those who are just receiving the fullness of their sacramental initiation will continue to grow in their sacramental graces. Let us pray fervently for one another to be true disciples and witnesses of Jesus, as Mary truly was on this earth. Her mission was to carry on the mission of Jesus – Mary’s mission is ours too.

As Pope Paul VI wrote: “The Church exists to evangelize”. Like Mary our vocation is to bring Christ into the world.

 

[wadramli]

The message is actually a person, the person of Christ risen. The person is alive , not a has been, not nowhere man , not dead and gone . the message is alive . that takes care of all the comparison gimmicks . how can you compare the has beens with the alive one , right? Never fall for the gimmick of comparing Jesus or holy spirit with something else . because when you compare you point similarities . Jeus makes everyone look like what ? you know .

Witness. Knows the facts and know their meaning . the most effective way to thwart false witness,liars is by the facts and their significance. Their significance often times is more important .sget sued a few times and you will see for yourself that is true .

Witness credibility. That saves you so much headache and money too. keep your word . Jesus said he will be back in three days and he did. Your word and the way you conduct your life fulfill the two requisite in order for your testimoney to stand .

I like this post . will save it for future reference . there is something , a pre –emptive strike element about directed at someone else .

thank you very much .

 

[MariaChristi]

The message is actually a person, the person of Christ risen. The person is alive , not a has been, not nowhere man , not dead and gone . the message is alive . that takes care of all the comparison gimmicks . how can you compare the has beens with the alive one , right? Never fall for the gimmick of comparing Jesus or holy spirit with something else . because when you compare you point similarities . Jeus makes everyone look like what ? you know .

Witness. Knows the facts and know their meaning . the most effective way to thwart false witness,liars is by the facts and their significance. Their significance often times is more important .sget sued a few times and you will see for yourself that is true .

Witness credibility. That saves you so much headache and money too. keep your word . Jesus said he will be back in three days and he did. Your word and the way you conduct your life fulfill the two requisite in order for your testimoney to stand .

I like this post . will save it for future reference . there is something , a pre –emptive strike element about directed at someone else .

thank you very much .

Dear wadramli,

Glad you liked the words of Pope Frances – I did too! Underlined in my post are these words which give me hope:

…May Mary, our Mother, sustain us through Her intercession, so that we can become, with our limitations, but with the grace of faith, witnesses of the Risen Lord, bringing to the people who we find the Easter gifts of joy and peace.

Even with our limitations, we can by God’s Grace and Mary’s intercession, become the true witnesses we are called to be.

 

[wadramli]

Greetings to you too Maria

I know you’ve underlined those lines and for a reason .I’ve listened to you and I appreciate and respect your words .

The hearts of men are savage . The woman helps tame them . It behooves us to carefully weigh the woman words and factor them in our decision making …

Frankly it occurred to me that The Pope’s words might bear on those people who complain that Christianity is too much . They complain that they’re required to assimilate ideas that they find hard to grabble with as opposed to other religions . There’re also those who say there’re religions in order to join them all you have to do is take an oath of allegiance and that there are religions that operate like a gang in that all you’ve do is just repeat a phrase or two and you’re automatically and instantly inducted into the religion.

those are false complaints as you can easily surmise from the Pope’s Statements .the real issue with Christianity is that qualifier : one who has changed his life . This is the tricky bit . this is what is too much to ask of a man . The describe is okay . The content is okay too. But the path , that’s hard . few can do that . they can’t keep it up.

joyful, courageous, meek, peaceful, merciful . are these together ? let’s compromise . on Sunday I’ll be all that . Outside Sunday some people might just be ordered to get down on their knees and take an oath of allegiance to the catholic church at gun point . an oath upon their life, upon their ancestors , upon their women and children and relatives and upon their in laws and clan and tribe. .nothing like imminent violent death to give some people a spiritual experience. Believe me, its called near death transformation. Then if they want they can go see the priest for baptism and confirmation. They can become catholic if they want to . I do not pressure them that way .i believe in freedom of religion. Few of them actually come back and preach to me now and then . it moves me deeply. They are good people. They just needed a little push . they were lost and I found them.

The sharp edge of the sword is more effective in separating play from truth.

You speak of hope. I speak greed .I’m greedy for converts and there’re many out there who are ripe and ready for harvest and they belong to me .I’m working . I’m working hard .Maria .

 

[MariaChristi]

Greetings to you too Maria

I know you’ve underlined those lines and for a reason .I’ve listened to you and I appreciate and respect your words .

The hearts of men are savage . The woman helps tame them . It behooves us to carefully weigh the woman words and factor them in our decision making …

Frankly it occurred to me that The Pope’s words might bear on those people who complain that Christianity is too much . They complain that they’re required to assimilate ideas that they find hard to grabble with as opposed to other religions . There’re also those who say there’re religions in order to join them all you have to do is take an oath of allegiance and that there are religions that operate like a gang in that all you’ve do is just repeat a phrase or two and you’re automatically and instantly inducted into the religion.

those are false complaints as you can easily surmise from the Pope’s Statements .the real issue with Christianity is that qualifier : one who has changed his life . This is the tricky bit . this is what is too much to ask of a man . The describe is okay . The content is okay too. But the path , that’s hard . few can do that . they can’t keep it up.

joyful, courageous, meek, peaceful, merciful . are these together ? let’s compromise . on Sunday I’ll be all that . Outside Sunday some people might just be ordered to get down on their knees and take an oath of allegiance to the catholic church at gun point . an oath upon their life, upon their ancestors , upon their women and children and relatives and upon their in laws and clan and tribe. .nothing like imminent violent death to give some people a spiritual experience. Believe me, its called near death transformation. Then if they want they can go see the priest for baptism and confirmation. They can become catholic if they want to . I do not pressure them that way .i believe in freedom of religion. Few of them actually come back and preach to me now and then . it moves me deeply. They are good people. They just needed a little push . they were lost and I found them.

The sharp edge of the sword is more effective in separating play from truth.

You speak of hope. I speak greed .I’m greedy for converts and there’re many out there who are ripe and ready for harvest and they belong to me .I’m working . I’m working hard .Maria .

Dear Wadramli,

Thanks again for your reply. Yes, I underlined the words for a reason. We have “limitations” as the Pope wisely reminds us:

…May Mary, our Mother, sustain us through Her intercession, so that we can become, with our limitations, but with the grace of faith, witnesses of the Risen Lord, bringing to the people who we find the Easter gifts of joy and peace.

Jesus knew we would need Mary as our Mother in carrying forth His mission to save souls, and so Jesus gave her to us in the person of John the Beloved Disciple at the foot of the cross. We need Mary to sustain us by her intercession, we need her to pray with us for God’s grace of ongoing faith, to witness to others. We need her to give us her example of joy and peace, and pray for those fruits of the Holy Spirit to be brought forth in our lives, as true witnesses of the Risen Lord.

All of us have limitations as human persons striving for the perfection of charity. The evil one is well aware of any Christian who seeks to follow Jesus and he tempts them according to their limits. St. Peter had the experience of being bold for Christ and also failing to acknowledge that he even knew Him, but Peter repented and aware of his limitations wrote in his First Letter to warn and encourage us: “Be sober, be watchful, for your adversary prowls around seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, firm in your faith…” ( 1 Peter 5: 8-9)

St. Therese of Lisieux (Patron of missionaries with St. Francis Xavier) wrote: “Everything is grace!” Yes, we work hard for God’s Glory and to carry on the Mission of Jesus, but we need also to pray for God’s Grace with Mary our Faithful Mother, that we may do all things through the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus told us in John 15:5 that we can do nothing without Him, and the Holy Spirit is given to us that we may know the complete Truth of Jesus (cf John 16:13). Our Hope is in the Lord, as Mary’s was. Elizabeth praised her for believing, yet Mary sang: “My soul magnifies the Lord. My spirit rejoices in God my savior”

Mary is the icon of Mother Church. She is the Mother of Love and the Pope as true son of Mary and of the Church is helping us to depend on her help and on God’s grace as we seek to be the witnesses we are called to be. Let us keep close to Mary in prayer that she may teach us to be true witnesses as she and all the saints witnessed by God’s grace. Thanks for your devotion to the Lord and your desire to work with Him in gathering home the lost sheep. Please let us pray for and with one another for all those in need of His Mercy, through Mary.

 

[wadramli]

Maria you’re the royal priesthood . St Peter calls you the royal priesthood. A king and his mother walk with you as you unlock crypts for others …you’re lke a hymn the Christian sings …….

Mother Mary saved my life twice . I prayed to her to go ask her son to save my life. He listens to her.in both instances without her intercession survival was not possible .

we have a nice god and nice mother . we just have to be very alert to the attention grabbers. A man will get hit and it will hurt if he doesn’t pay attention and act on them . usually when I start messing up he just gives me a gentle tap on the shoulder .that’s all it takes . I just happen to be blessed in terms of recognizing them and I return to the path or try to . .but if a man ignores or dismisses those attention grabbers he will then get smacked and if that doesn’t work watch out for incoming TKO. I note and I go along . I do protest however . I tell him why don’t you just give me your powers for just one hour, just one hour please and watch me fix this planet once and for all . he doesn’t

In a little way I want to thank you for what you have done for me . I will provide 65 super meals to needy catholic kids . this is the most the Nuns can carry as the place is bit far .

There is something which I find fascinating about the Pope’s statements . he spoke of an event, a concrete event . an event accord with happiness not joy. Happiness come from happen which points to an event . Yet the Pope says to bring joy. . joy is not happiness , or is it ? what is joy ? where do you find it ? how do you bring it to others ?is joy one or are there several different joys ? is it continuous and lasting state regardless of the challenges/situation ? is it some kind of balance ? is it relational or is it independent ? etc ….

In Christ

 

[MariaChristi]

… the Pope says to bring joy. . joy is not happiness , or is it ? what is joy ? where do you find it ? how do you bring it to others ?is joy one or are there several different joys ? is it continuous and lasting state regardless of the challenges/situation ? is it some kind of balance ? is it relational or is it independent ? etc

Dear wadramli,

The Pope wants us to live the Life Christ won for us and was given to us at Baptism. If we live in Jesus we can bring Jesus Who is Joy for the world.

Listening to God’s Word, I find that joy is found in Jesus, and it grows as our union with Jesus grows from the time of our Baptism until we meet Him face to face. We lose our joy when we drift from Jesus through our neglect of Him and by falling into willful sin. Without Jesus, we can do nothing as the Gospel for today’s Mass reminds us (John 15:5) Jesus is the vine and we are the branches.

We can have joy in the midst of sorrows if we remain in Jesus. (John 16: 16: 20-24) Jesus also promised the Holy Spirit will bring us into the complete Truth. (John 16:13) Joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit: "…the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness…( Gal. 5: 22) " Pray to the Holy Spirit and prayerfully listen to verses 13 - 25 of chapter 5 of St. Paul’s Letter to the Galatians.

St. John Vianney wrote that “Prayer is nothing other than union with God”. Pray, asking God for a deeper understanding of the joy only He can give. Listen to what God has revealed to us in His Word. Hope that helps a bit

 

[wadramli]

Dear Maria ,

Yes , it helped a lot . multiply that 65 meals by seven.

here is what surmised form your take

Joy in midst of sorrow points to redeeming suffering and constructiveness of joy. also Partners in the cross and partners in the glory .

Bringing joy. Jesus is a spring of joy over flowing . I’m rich in joy.

Kinds of joys. Only one for the Lord is one .

Impediment to joy . willful sin .
Impediment to joy : Fear .He who fears is not complete in love --can’t remember the verse off hand. Also , psalm 56:11 5:11 ( important in terms of christian minorities )

In the OP, the pope talkes about independence of intellect and the self . Maturity in taking decisions . He Separates Catholics from that lot of marooned brainwashed fanatical sons of Satan out there killing christians . Pope calls for maturity and balance .

Joy is fruit of the spirit continuous and renewing . yes

Christ risen …God is here . God is with us .Jesus is the key to joy and joy is ever present and eternal as opposed to happiness as in attendinga wedding or other pleasant human activities

Pope Francis , Franciscan order which in turn points to Jesuits … That being so he would recognize your take on joy in terms of growing and learning process . Jesuits are extremely erudite in the classicals . thier forte .A classical way to get around a challenging definitional paradox. I think the process is called explication if I remember correctly .

Evangelization way back. . your OP. Catholic counter reformation. Sometime around 15th 16th century I think . Outburst of worldwide missionary activities and evangelization . Jesuits successfully stemmed the tide. Amazing struggle, sacrifice and inspiring work . Different times different tide to stem. Do you have the new posters at your parish posted on the wall next to the entrance to your chapel ?He has issued a call to all the orders .

I think given the nature of things as they stand today , a two pronged approach might be advisable . the Vatican is the traditional part .we try to keep that as intact as possible. Laymen/women organized have more freedom to operate . open two fronts . it’s a risk worth taking .

Thank you ever so much for your reply Maria .

In christ

 

[MariaChristi]

Dear Maria ,

Yes , it helped a lot . …

…Thank you ever so much for your reply Maria .

In christ

Dear wadramli,

Going back to the OP and Pope Francis" quote:

…The content of a Christian witness is not a theory, an ideology or a complex system of precepts and prohibitions, or even a moralism. But rather a message of salvation, a concrete event, indeed a Person: it is Christ Risen, living and sole Savior of all. He can be witnessed by those who have had a personal experience of Him, in prayer and in the Church, through a path that has its foundation in Baptism, its nourishment in the Eucharist, its seal in Confirmation, its continuing conversion in Penance. Thanks to this path, always guided by the Word of God, every Christian can become a witness of Jesus risen. And his witness is all the more credible the more it is evident by a way of living that is evangelical, joyful, courageous, meek, peaceful, merciful.

Thank you, ever so much as well, for you helped me to ponder again the great mystery of how to experience the joy of Jesus – remaining in Him as a branch on the Vine. Even though we may be surrounded by dead branches, we need not be “of the world”. By living in Christ, we are enabled by the grace and power of the Holy Spirit to bring the Good News of Jesus, to all we meet, as His true witnesses.

 

[PJM]

=MariaChristi;12913058]Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Yesterday, the Pope’s “Regina Coeli” message was a beautiful and stirring encouragement to Catholics about being true witnesses. I wonder if many RCIA groups will be hearing something like this in their classes after Easter. I hope so:

Many of us who were baptized as infants, did not hear about Catholics being “witnesses” or even the word “evangelization” until perhaps Pope St. John Paul II began calling Catholics to a “New Evangelization”. I pray that our newly baptized and those who are just receiving the fullness of their sacramental initiation will continue to grow in their sacramental graces. Let us pray fervently for one another to be true disciples and witnesses of Jesus, as Mary truly was on this earth. Her mission was to carry on the mission of Jesus – Mary’s mission is ours too.

As Pope Paul VI wrote: “The Church exists to evangelize”. Like Mary our vocation is to bring Christ into the world.

As a now retired trained teacher of our Catholic Faith, having taught RCIA, adults, high-school and grade-school Catholic education for many years; I have developed a FREE OF ALL COST HOME STUDY COURSE [now in its fifth year] with e-mailed Lessons weekly.

I am keenly aware of the need for more and advanced catechesis, and my course fills the gaps by not only covering more topics in greater detail; but by providing the evidence that proves our beliefs and practices.

Its open to all who really wish to know What we believe and WHY we do believe it.

Just send me a private message

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[MariaChristi]

As a now retired trained teacher of our Catholic Faith, having taught RCIA, adults, high-school and grade-school Catholic education for many years; I have developed a FREE OF ALL COST HOME STUDY COURSE [now in its fifth year] with e-mailed Lessons weekly.

I am keenly aware of the need for more and advanced catechesis, and my course fills the gaps by not only covering more topics in greater detail; but by providing the evidence that proves our beliefs and practices.

Its open to all who really wish to know What we believe and WHY we do believe it.

Just send me a private message

God Bless you,

Patrick

Dear Patrick,

Thanks so much for offering to supply more and advanced catechesis for RCIA. I hope many on the Forum will send you a PM and avail themselves of your help. May the Lord bless all your efforts in answering this crucial need, not only for RCIA, but Catholics who recognize they simply do not know enough about, nor how to defend, their Faith!

 

[wadramli]

Dear Maria ,

I’m working on it. I’m looking at the reality and trying to understand it

What happened to Adam in eden ? He ate from the apple and and and . I know that . but what happened ? what I think is that something happened to his blood when he ate from that apple . the blood that was running in his veins changed after he ate the apple . what changed ? . but what I can tell you is that I’ve never been inoculated against any diseases and I’ve been exposed to all those diseases but didn’t catch them . my blood is somehow able to neutralize the virus or it might not be that . it mght be that the virus itself is rigged in such a way to infect me in order for it to be altered by my blood and then move on . if that is true then I ‘m in a way creating life . whch means I’m created in the image of god .

What does it mean to say Christ is risen? I know I know , but what happened ? read the account carefully and the conclusion is that he and for lack of words de-existed himself and then re-existed it .

A new a modern interpretation could be formulized . the implication of Christ risen is staggering . it is the only solution for our survival in the event structural universe is destroyed by entropy . if Abraham seed is to number the sand of the earth then we’re going to spread all over the universe .

The first batch of meals will be served on this weekend .

Vine and branches . christians here are pastoralists. They’re an animal based larger cultural. They do not care for plants much . I talk to them about springs . it rains and there are many streams trickling here and there flowing all towards the river .

Defense. Means protection. The other world religion practices deception. Its built in it . Must familiarize yourself or else do not engage. They can’t get you because you’re strong in the faith but others who’re listening and if you do not acquit yourself properly your protection of them is compromised . you need resources, I know the best . ex members of that other world religion who left that religion are what you might want to listen to .

 

[MariaChristi]

Dear Maria ,

I’m working on it. I’m looking at the reality and trying to understand it…

Dear wadramli,

God is Infinite Mystery, and yet He does reveal Himself so that we may know Him – as He is – the Holy Reality – but we can only understand, according to our finite nature. He has given us His Only Son, The Word Made Flesh in order that we might have in Jesus, our Way, our Truth and our Life.

God became Man so we could know Him and worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. God created us to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him in this world and to be happy with Him in heaven. The sin of Adam and Eve has not been “the last word” because Jesus has redeemed us and restored the friendship with God which Adam and Eve lost by sin. We are called now to live in Jesus, to remain in His Love, as He tells us especially in John 15.

All creation manifests the Glory of God, but in Jesus we have His Perfect Word. We need to listen to Him in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. Jesus has given His Holy Spirit to us that we might come into His complete Truth as members of His Body, the Church. Our understanding will always be limited, but we are called to grow daily in the perfection of Charity by His Grace. Without Him we can do nothing, but in Him we can do all that we need to do.

From His Cross Jesus gave us Mary to be our Mother, in His Words to John: “Behold your Mother”. John, the beloved disciple took Mary into his life and learned from her how to open himself fully to the Holy Spirit and to live in Christ as Mary did. May we too be “beloved disciples” humbly learning from Mary as she learned from Jesus.

 

[wadramli]

Dear Maria ,

Great post . it projects your personal power .

Some of it might not be consistent with the catechism though .that’okay . Mine often times do not .

The divine and human nature minus sin unified in the person of Jesus. Flesh points to human nature which points to born with original sin but not sinful in nature . something like that .

Jesus is god , the creator himself and not his word .the word is the logos .

In bible class I have to stick with the doctrine . Christ risen .fro example , I would talk about those rare cases where people were pronounced dead then came back to life . I tell them those people even though they came back to life still died later on or will . Christ risen is not like that . Christ risen means death was delivered a TKO . it means eternal life .it means you come back forever .something like that . For “New Adam” and what have you I usually refer them to the catechists. He would be someone like Patrick here in this post – going by how he described himself.

my skills are limted to those of this world . social services…. feeding projects, healthcare , accommodation , employment , providing bibles etc . I make money and use some of it to fund those activities. Then I sit back and watch the show . I stay away and watch because they say I make things stressful . I push too hard they say . they’re right for the most part . it’s called the art of delegating responsibilities … sometimes i come unannounced and i leave balzing trail after me . keep them on their toes

hey do not worry about me . really . this is a family tradition from all the way back to my grandfather , father, uncles . made the rounds with my grandfather when i was kid . it’s who we’re . it’s not going away .

 

[MariaChristi]

Dear Maria ,

Great post…

Some of it might not be consistent with the catechism though .that’okay . Mine often times do not …

Dear wadramli,

You will need to point out to me anything you consider inconsistent (in any post of mine). I would not write anything I thought was inconsistent with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I went back over my post and find nothing inconsistent. I really can’t agree it’s “okay” if either of us is inconsistent with the catechism. Perhaps we may phrase something a bit differently, but we need to be careful not to contradict or oppose what the Church teaches.

Again, it is good to remember the Holy Trinity – Three Divine Persons in One God – is a profound mystery which our human, limited intellects cannot fully comprehend. God, does however, reveal Himself in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. In Jesus - The Word Made Flesh – God reveals Himself most completely to our human minds and hearts.

In John’s Gospel we read: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God…” The Greek for “Word” is “Logos”. The hypostatic union of two natures in the One Divine Person of the Son or Logos is also a mystery we cannot fully understand, but we believe Jesus, the Word Made Flesh is true God and true Man. I think that is all consistent with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I’d be grateful if you could re-read my post and quote from the Catechism anything you find to be inconsistent with what I wrote. Thanks.

 

[wadramli]

dear Maria

“All creation manifests the Glory of God, but in Jesus we have His Perfect Word” ,

look i could be wrong about this . maybe its the language that confuses me . but doesn’t that say that Jesus is god’s creation ? i mean all creation manifest so and so but in the particular case of Jesus so and so .

in jesus we have his perfect word doesn’t sound right to me honestly . maybe in jesus we have him because the word and god are one .

something like that

 

[hazcompat]

Second Reading From a discourse on the psalms by Saint Augustine, bishop
The Easter Alleluia
Our thoughts in this present life should turn on the praise of God, because it is in praising God that we shall rejoice forever in the life to come; and no one can be ready for the next life unless he trains himself for it now. So we praise God during our earthly life, and at the same time we make our petitions to him. Our praise is expressed with joy, our petitions with yearning. We have been promised something we do not yet possess, and because the promise was made by one who keeps his word, we trust him and are glad; but insofar as possession is delayed, we can only long and yearn for it. It is good for us to persevere in longing until we receive what was promised, and yearning is over; then praise alone will remain.

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…in 1862, St. John Bosco received his now famous Carlo Felice Deasti, Don Bosco, Torino, 1887 vision of the two pillars that would save the Church during its most tumultuous time in history—the pillars of Mary, Help of Christians, and Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. In his vision, it was only when the Church chained itself to both pillars that She was able to defeat Her enemies. And in his dream, it was the Pope who steered the ship and bound it between those two pillars. Mary, the Eucharist and fidelity to the Pope are at the heart of surviving our troubling times.

Read more:
spiritualdirection.com/2015/05/09/the-month-of-mary-part-2-1917#ixzz3Zfno8gwf

Peace

 

[wadramli]

he gave his son to save the world

there are those who say jesus is a word from god as in a spoken word … to say in jesus we have his perfect word sort of plays into their hands .in jesus we have full divinty plus human nature minus sin …

 

[hazcompat]

What is His imperfect word?

Jesus Christ took on human nature without ceasing to be God. He is true God and true Man. The origin of the Incarnation is God’s love for mankind. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him ( 1 Jn 4:9). The Incarnation is the supreme sign of God’s love for us, since God gives himself to us through the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity coming to share in our human nature in the unity of the Son’s divine Person.

That Christ existed belongs to the doctrine of faith, as also that he really died for us and rose on the third day (cf. 1 Cor 15:3-11). Christ’s existence is a fact proved by history, particularly by the analysis of the New Testament, whose historical value is beyond doubt. We have other ancient non-Christian testimonies, both pagan and Jewish, about Christ’s life. Precisely because of this we cannot accept the position of those who set up a “historical Jesus" in opposition to the “Christ of faith," and who defend the supposition that almost everything the New Testament says about Christ is an interpretation of faith made by Jesus’ disciples, but not his true historical figure, which remains hidden from us. These points of view, which often include a strong prejudice against anything supernatural, fail to account for the fact, confirmed by contemporary historical research, that the representation of Christ offered by early Christian witnesses is underpinned by events that really took place.

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Peace

 

[MariaChristi]

Dear wadramli,

Certainly, we can agree: “…God so loved the world that He gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have have eternal life.” (John 3:16)

Your post refers to “some who say…” but while they may misunderstand the Truth of God’s Word, the Catechism is clear. When we meet those with misunderstandings, we need to help them learn what the Church teaches.

For information on "God has said everything in His Word see: Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs 65 - 73

For more information on “Christ - The Unique Word of Sacred Scripture” see Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs 101 - 141

For more information on “The Word became Flesh” see:
Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs 456 - 483

The Catechism is a great help in learning and sharing Truth.