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wadramli
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Dear Maria
1 John 3:2
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Going by the attitude reflected in your articulation I think the world of you . you speak forcefully and we need that atituude… you say In jesus this and in jesus that , in jesus we have our ways our truth and this and that and in Jesus we have the perfect world . the other side needs to hear that . infact the catechism you referred me to reflected that attitude – foolish novelty it charges etc. that is the right attitude . if they don’t like it there is the front door … infact if you come to africa I would immediately palce you in camp for combat trainng .
Let’s go back to your statement
You said all creations manifest the glory of god but in Jesus we have the perfect word.
My command of my native tongue is formidable . when I apply the rules of my native tongue to your statement I get this peculiar result :
All creations manifest the glory of god but in Jesus we have the perfect manifestation of creation of the glory of god .
in my natve tongue the “word” in your statement correspond with “creation” in your statement given the logical structure of the sentence . does this tally with English ? would rules of the English langue give the same results ?
see Maria it is this language issues that gives me such a hard time .
Something else, what happened to the flesh when the word was made flesh ? what effect did the union have on the flesh ?
In Christ
P.S . consider me your faithful student .
1 John 3:2
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Going by the attitude reflected in your articulation I think the world of you . you speak forcefully and we need that atituude… you say In jesus this and in jesus that , in jesus we have our ways our truth and this and that and in Jesus we have the perfect world . the other side needs to hear that . infact the catechism you referred me to reflected that attitude – foolish novelty it charges etc. that is the right attitude . if they don’t like it there is the front door … infact if you come to africa I would immediately palce you in camp for combat trainng .
Let’s go back to your statement
You said all creations manifest the glory of god but in Jesus we have the perfect word.
My command of my native tongue is formidable . when I apply the rules of my native tongue to your statement I get this peculiar result :
All creations manifest the glory of god but in Jesus we have the perfect manifestation of creation of the glory of god .
in my natve tongue the “word” in your statement correspond with “creation” in your statement given the logical structure of the sentence . does this tally with English ? would rules of the English langue give the same results ?
see Maria it is this language issues that gives me such a hard time .
Something else, what happened to the flesh when the word was made flesh ? what effect did the union have on the flesh ?
In Christ
P.S . consider me your faithful student .
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hazcompat
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CCC
469 The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother:
“What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed”, sings the Roman Liturgy.95 And the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom proclaims and sings: "O only-begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us!"96
scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p1.htm#469
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469 The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother:
“What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed”, sings the Roman Liturgy.95 And the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom proclaims and sings: "O only-begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us!"96
scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p1.htm#469
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wadramli
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Hazcompat
Hi
From your post it is clear nothing changed from the effect of union in as far as God/word is concerned .
True god and true man . Do you think this points to two separate wills , a divine will and a human will?
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut . it was helpful
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From your post it is clear nothing changed from the effect of union in as far as God/word is concerned .
True god and true man . Do you think this points to two separate wills , a divine will and a human will?
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut . it was helpful
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hazcompat
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scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p1.htm#475
Christ’s human will
475 Similarly, at the sixth ecumenical council, Constantinople III in 681, the Church confessed that Christ possesses two wills and two natural operations, divine and human. They are not opposed to each other, but cooperate in such a way that the Word made flesh willed humanly in obedience to his Father all that he had decided divinely with the Father and the Holy Spirit for our salvation.110 Christ’s human will "does not resist or oppose but rather submits to his divine and almighty will."111
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MariaChristi
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Dear wadramli,
Yes, I think language has much to do with finding things difficult to understand. The Holy Spirit, however is promised by Jesus, to guide us into the complete truth. (John 16:13). All are called to holiness and thus we are all called to be His faithful students of the Holy Spirit.
All of us need to pray fervently to the Holy Spirit and keep listening to the Truth God reveals to us in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. Prayerfully, reading the Gospels, especially, can help us to hear the Truth Jesus lived in everything He did, and to hear the Truth He spoke in everything He said.
Prayerful reading of the Catechism of the Catholic Church can help us further understand, by the power of the Holy Spirit all the Truth the Church has learned through time, and the Church continues to learn by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
A holy priest once told me : “If a question comes to mind as you read Scripture, keep reading until you hear the answer. If you don’t hear the answer, then it was probably not such a good question.”
Yes, I think language has much to do with finding things difficult to understand. The Holy Spirit, however is promised by Jesus, to guide us into the complete truth. (John 16:13). All are called to holiness and thus we are all called to be His faithful students of the Holy Spirit.
All of us need to pray fervently to the Holy Spirit and keep listening to the Truth God reveals to us in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. Prayerfully, reading the Gospels, especially, can help us to hear the Truth Jesus lived in everything He did, and to hear the Truth He spoke in everything He said.
Prayerful reading of the Catechism of the Catholic Church can help us further understand, by the power of the Holy Spirit all the Truth the Church has learned through time, and the Church continues to learn by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
A holy priest once told me : “If a question comes to mind as you read Scripture, keep reading until you hear the answer. If you don’t hear the answer, then it was probably not such a good question.”
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MariaChristi
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Dear hazcompat,
Again, thanks for your replies from the Catechism and the links. What a gift the Catechism of the Catholic Church is for all who are seeking a better understanding of God’s Truth!.
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wadramli
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Dear Maria ,
I feel very much helped by your words . God bless you for taking the time and making the effort to help me ,your catholic brother . I can’t be a true witness but I will work very hard to be a credible witness. I will be merciful for one month at least . You’ve my word.
Hazcompat,
Great response . thank you so much . I’m more knowledgable because of you .
In Christ
I feel very much helped by your words . God bless you for taking the time and making the effort to help me ,your catholic brother . I can’t be a true witness but I will work very hard to be a credible witness. I will be merciful for one month at least . You’ve my word.
Hazcompat,
Great response . thank you so much . I’m more knowledgable because of you .
In Christ
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wadramli
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I’m bilingual. Arabic and an indigenous African language. Arabic is the local language , official language . The Indigenous African language is my mother tongue.
services here are conducted in Arabic or in English . Catholic congregation is from different competing tribes with different indigenous African languages/ dialogues . To avoid friction Arabic and English are used as neutral languages. The policy is to adopt English as common language across the tribes.
Other than that language doesn’t really figure much unless …. sometimes we see the catechist sitting in the yard alone so we say let’s go give him some company . we ask questions such as, are there two wills ? . The catechist answers and we applaud and we say thank you very much and give him a couple local currency units or something . But we do not go , hey wait a minute , you mean to say god sent his son to torture and death . Which will then ? Father or son ? Can’t be both . we do not do that because then the catechist will hit us with a zillion verse and this and that and we’ll never finish . we know there’re satisfactory answers to all the questions . Interested there are the books . go hit them.
issues with bibles with differnt languages . too long to get into .
with kids I try to make it fun when I do bible class , if I have to tutor bible class , I ask them what do you think happens if Christ hasn’t risen ?
in my class kids have to stand on the bench on one foot before they can answer. Stand on the narrow window sill awards more points. Stand on top of metal cupboard which is around two meter in height awards you even more points . twirling around fast twenty times and then stand still and do a hail Mary without moving an inch earn you points. Then we also do …how did St Peter cut off the guy’s ear. This is how you hold the knife and this how you swipe , aim for the jugular vein. practice .
Kids love my class . the nun walks in and she says I’m very good with kids . class all silent and attentative . .then we go outside and we play the herd . I make notes of the kids positions and movement patterns as they get charged and as they charge and accordingly I select those for sponsorship. based on such data over tme
In christ
I’m bilingual. Arabic and an indigenous African language. Arabic is the local language , official language . The Indigenous African language is my mother tongue.
services here are conducted in Arabic or in English . Catholic congregation is from different competing tribes with different indigenous African languages/ dialogues . To avoid friction Arabic and English are used as neutral languages. The policy is to adopt English as common language across the tribes.
Other than that language doesn’t really figure much unless …. sometimes we see the catechist sitting in the yard alone so we say let’s go give him some company . we ask questions such as, are there two wills ? . The catechist answers and we applaud and we say thank you very much and give him a couple local currency units or something . But we do not go , hey wait a minute , you mean to say god sent his son to torture and death . Which will then ? Father or son ? Can’t be both . we do not do that because then the catechist will hit us with a zillion verse and this and that and we’ll never finish . we know there’re satisfactory answers to all the questions . Interested there are the books . go hit them.
issues with bibles with differnt languages . too long to get into .
with kids I try to make it fun when I do bible class , if I have to tutor bible class , I ask them what do you think happens if Christ hasn’t risen ?
in my class kids have to stand on the bench on one foot before they can answer. Stand on the narrow window sill awards more points. Stand on top of metal cupboard which is around two meter in height awards you even more points . twirling around fast twenty times and then stand still and do a hail Mary without moving an inch earn you points. Then we also do …how did St Peter cut off the guy’s ear. This is how you hold the knife and this how you swipe , aim for the jugular vein. practice .
Kids love my class . the nun walks in and she says I’m very good with kids . class all silent and attentative . .then we go outside and we play the herd . I make notes of the kids positions and movement patterns as they get charged and as they charge and accordingly I select those for sponsorship. based on such data over tme
In christ
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PJM
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Friend, would you please explain what you mean by “classes AFTER Easter?”
God Bless you,
Patrick
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MariaChristi
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Dear Patrick,
When my husband and I were involved with RCIA classes, there was a period after Easter, called “Mystagogia” in which the newly baptized and those others who received also the sacraments of Eucharist and Confirmation, were further helped to understand the 'Mysteries". It was a beautiful time, and yet, I have heard of some parishes ending the RCIA classes with Easter. See HERE for more on :Mystagogia"
We also encouraged the new Catholics to participate in Catholic Bible studies and other Faith Formation programs offered at our parish. We still keep in contact with those Catholics whom we served some years ago.
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