Are wealthy countries in anyway responsible to lift poor countries out of poverty?

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MonteRCMS said:
Venezuela has the world’s largest oil deposit(s).

How could anyone POSSIBLY help them.
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Put their current leadership on a one way trip out of the country. My understanding is that Spain has always been willing to accept exiled failed leaders from their former colonies- even when the leaders were liberal and even when Franco was serving as their caudillo.
 
True,but eating them has not realistically done them any benefits,if we look at worldwide health statistics.
 
True, but cook well.

As my Canadian friends said," EVERYTHING grows here".

So, really, it comes down to politics.

Poverty is being deliberately “installed”.

There is no reason for poor countries … except for local politics.
 
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The wild hog thing isn’t realistic and we should be cautious to suggest things to then feel comfortable to do nothing ourselves and reason within ourselves that it is ok to not help other countries poor.

Even if we “go with it” for a minute,ignore all the potential dangerous health implications and say to poor people eat wild hogs,how would let’s say a population in Haiti for example then get all their daily nutrition needs met so that they wouldn’t get Pellagra,Vitamin A and Iodine deficiencies (amongst others)?

Do you have any suggestions?

I think one suggestion would be to for outside businesses in Us,Aus etc to employ the female human capital in Haiti to do such things as jewellery making and then sell them to Americans etc.
The designs would have to be very innovative though as it is already a saturated market and the “crafts” type of jewellery that charities like Oxfam etc offer by people in third world countries aren’t really designs that “mainstream” women want.
This would increase the Haiti income and they could buy wider varieties of food.
 
MonteRCMS said:
If the person at the top redistributed his or her salary, each employee would only get a few pennies … but the top person might decide to not work as hard, work fewer hours, take more vacations.
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Chinese workers for Apple can’t make ends meet on a basic forty hour week, they have to work huge amounts of overtime to survive. They probably can’t afford to go on vacation.


If the billionaires redistributed their wealth, there would be more than pennies to go round. Frankly watching how these billionaires flaunt their hundred million dollar toys on tv is sickening. They earn their money through other people’s misery.
 
Rozellelily said:
The wild hog thing isn’t realistic and we should be cautious to suggest things to then feel comfortable to do nothing ourselves and reason within ourselves that it is ok to not help other countries poor.

Even if we “go with it” for a minute,ignore all the potential dangerous health implications and say to poor people eat wild hogs,how would let’s say a population in Haiti for example then get all their daily nutrition needs met so that they wouldn’t get Pellagra,Vitamin A and Iodine deficiencies (amongst others)?

Do you have any suggestions?
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Each country and each culture is different and unique.

And one suggestion is not a recipe for complete overhaul of the culture.

Haiti may not have feral wild pigs and I do not advocate introducing feral pigs because they cause so much damage. BUT, if feral pigs are already present, then they can be and should be exploited.

I already mentioned how people in parts of Africa REFUSE to eat peanuts … they are called different things in different places … ground nuts, neibe, … so it is very possible to introduce the idea of peanut butter, … Plumpy’Nut … even though it is resisted.

Each place is different.

We may have a domesticated hog “industry”, but we STILL have to cook the meat thoroughly.

Some people insist that peanuts are dangerous because of aflatoxin.

If there is a dairy industry, consumption of milk may still require pasteurization.

The point is that in parts of Africa a food source that is widely consumed in other parts of the world are rejected in Africa.

People in Haiti seem to get a university education and then move to the United States because the culture in Haiti appears to prevent them from using their university education.
 
philipl said:
I am saying that it is wrong and government has to use the force of threat to collect them. This goes against the non-aggression teaching of the church.
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The Church has a non-aggression principle? That’s news to me. I think you’re confusing church teaching with libertarian teaching.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
Chinese workers for Apple can’t make ends meet on a basic forty hour week, they have to work huge amounts of overtime to survive. They probably can’t afford to go on vacation.
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Meh, overtime has been a fairly normal part of human existence for the vast majority of history. Not everyone can work a cushy government job.
 
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The. Church teaches non-aggression. It also teaches self defense. I have the right to protect my property. That isn’t aggression, it is protection. Why do you think there is a just war principle? It is to prevent aggression against another.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
They earn their money through other people’s misery.
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That’s a popular misconception. The reason why Sam Walton became so fantastically rich was that he revolutionized retail- much like Jeff Bezos is doing today.

Retail jobs have always been low paying, mom and/or pop were and are slave drivers to their employees. Walton’s regime was no different, but his innovations in his operation is why it succeeded where previous retail models fell by the side.

BTW, it was much the same in other industries. Before the Industrial Revolution of the 19th Century and institution of the Bessemer process, steel was much too much expensive and rare to use for building and transportation. Guys like Carnegie and Frick didn’t become wealthy by being tough with their staff- they were no more tough than their failed competitors- but because they came up with processes to produce steel in the amounts, quantity and price that made it practical for many uses we have for it even today.
 
Augustinian said:
Retail jobs have always been low paying, mom and/or pop were and are slave drivers to their employees. Walton’s regime was no different, but his innovations in his operation is why it succeeded where previous retail models fell by the side.
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Four of the Walton family are worth about a $160 billion between them, and their employees don’t really earn enough to bring up a family. Even if they gave all their employees a thousand dollar bonus, that would come to about $1.6 billion, that would be about one percent of their wealth. They wouldn’t even notice it had gone.

The Waltons seem to earn their wealth from other peoples misery. Being successful should not rest on exploiting people.
 
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stinkcat_14 said:
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deMontfort:
I see the Communists are back in the thread :roll_eyes:
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Do you think I am a communist? For the record I am as capitalist as anyone.
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Flagged as a violation of @camoderator desist order.
 
deMontfort said:
I see the Communists are back in the thread :roll_eyes:
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You might want to read the Bible and see what God has to say about poverty and injustice.

Almost every page of the Bible speaks of God’s heart for the poor. His concern for the marginalised. His compassion for the oppressed. His call for justice.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
Almost every page of the Bible speaks of God’s heart for the poor. His concern for the marginalised. His compassion for the oppressed. His call for justice.
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I think you are making the assumption that Communists and Liberals have more of a heart for the poor than conservatives. I don’t see that at all.
 
You might want to go back and see the blanket condemnations that past Popes have made against all forms of Marxism.
 
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I received this from camoderator:

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stinkcat_14 is being told the same.
 
For the record, every post that the poster in question is addressing to me IS being flagged. This will continue until he desists trying to force me to argue with him and stops addressing me.
 
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Augustinian said:
I think you are making the assumption that Communists and Liberals have more of a heart for the poor than conservatives. I don’t see that at all.
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I am not sure that anyone can really make the case that either liberals or conservatives care more for the poor. Indeed, there are plenty of both who care for the poor and plenty of both who don’t care for the poor. Part of the problem is there is a lot of dispute as to how the economy works. For example, is government intervention appropriate and when is it appropriate. Some see any government intervention as socialism, although some who see socialism under every rock can often be opportunistic in their definition of socialism. I know farmers who receive government aid who complain about socialist government programs. Go figure.
 
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