Are white lies a mortal sin?

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For example, if you are angry at someone and they ask you what happened and you reply nothing, is this a grave sin? Or if someone says they love you and at the moment you do not feel love for them and say that you do too, is that a grave sin? You feel compelled to spare their feelings, but is it a serious sin to do so? Or will we have to go to purgatory for it?
 
As you may know there is criteria that has to be met in order to constitute mortal verses venial, one of those criteria is ‘intent’.

Example: “Does this make me look fat?” - lets say the truth is ‘yes’ however you respond ‘no’. If you responded ‘no’ because you wanted to spare their feelings then it is not a mortal sin and unless you make it a habit to tell white lies, it isn’t venial either.
However if you responed ‘no’ because you wanted this person to go out looking terrible and to possibly be the victim of gossip, then yes the lie was mortal because your intent was impure.

But, if this was the senerio and you truly wanted to spare their feelings it may not matter if there feelings end up being hurt by others. Therefore the truth is always better, no matter how hard it may be.
 
From The Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
I’m not sure what some people would call a “white lie” would fall into the category of grave matter. A lie is a definitely a sin, and certainly the intention behind a white lie could be the greater sin.

For example, if I lie to my boss to try to hide some other wrong I did (taking work supplies home, coming into work late, neglecting my duties…), then my white lie is more serious because it is made in conjunction with another wrong.

But if, as a PP said, I lie to try to prevent hurt feelings in another, my sin may be venial, but it is still a sin.

It is important, however – in cases of “does this dress make me look fat” situations – to recognize that there is a difference between fact and opinion. Let’s face it, at 50 pounds overweight, it’s not the dress that’s making me look fat, it’s my obesity that’s making me look fat. So a friend answering “no” to my question wouldn’t actually be lying to me – because the dress isn’t making me look fat :rolleyes:

Long answer to short question.

God bless you!

Gertie
 
For example, if you are angry at someone and they ask you what happened and you reply nothing, is this a grave sin? Or if someone says they love you and at the moment you do not feel love for them and say that you do too, is that a grave sin? You feel compelled to spare their feelings, but is it a serious sin to do so? Or will we have to go to purgatory for it?
To begin with, let us recognize that ALL sin, freely and consciously committed, is serious sin. Just because it is not “Mortal” does not mean it is not serious. Jesus tells us that we must be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect. (Mt 5:48)… This is a pretty serious challenge.
We need to aim for heaven so that we can hit purgatory. If we aim for purgatory and miss…not good…:bigyikes:

That said…

I’d like to address something that I see as the Much more Important Issues!!
Look at the examples offered.

In the first, you say you are angry…in the second you say you feel no Love…
Forgive me for saying this but to ignore these aspects and ask about “Lying” is to “strain the gnat and swallow the camel”.

Anger and failure to Love are far greater sins and THESE are the ones need to be addressed. If these are overcome, then the “white lie” becomes unnecessary…

Peace
James
 
Wow, I didn’t think telling someone they’re not fat when they ask you was a venial sin…I thought it was being kind. So you mean if my husband asks if I think he’s fat, and he’s not exactly fat but could stand to lose 20 lbs, and I tell him he’s not fat b/c I don’t want to hurt his feelings, that means I’ve sinned??
 
Wow, I didn’t think telling someone they’re not fat when they ask you was a venial sin…I thought it was being kind. So you mean if my husband asks if I think he’s fat, and he’s not exactly fat but could stand to lose 20 lbs, and I tell him he’s not fat b/c I don’t want to hurt his feelings, that means I’ve sinned??
If your husband needs to lose 20 pounds, how are you helping him by not encouraging him to honor God by taking care of the body God gave him? 🤷 Isn’t there some way you could tell him how much you love him and also encourage him to lose those 20 pounds for the sake of his health.

It’s medical – you’re either underweight, at a healthy weight, overweight, or obese. It’s not rocket science or opinion.

Gertie
 
To begin with, let us recognize that ALL sin, freely and consciously committed, is serious sin. Just because it is not “Mortal” does not mean it is not serious. Jesus tells us that we must be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect. (Mt 5:48)… This is a pretty serious challenge.
We need to aim for heaven so that we can hit purgatory. If we aim for purgatory and miss…not good…:bigyikes:

That said…

I’d like to address something that I see as the Much more Important Issues!!
Look at the examples offered.

In the first, you say you are angry…in the second you say you feel no Love…
Forgive me for saying this but to ignore these aspects and ask about “Lying” is to “strain the gnat and swallow the camel”.

Anger and failure to Love are far greater sins and THESE are the ones need to be addressed. If these are overcome, then the “white lie” becomes unnecessary…

Peace
James
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Brilliant and well said!

Gert
 
To begin with, let us recognize that ALL sin, freely and consciously committed, is serious sin. Just because it is not “Mortal” does not mean it is not serious. Jesus tells us that we must be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect. (Mt 5:48)… This is a pretty serious challenge.
We need to aim for heaven so that we can hit purgatory. If we aim for purgatory and miss…not good…:bigyikes:

That said…

I’d like to address something that I see as the Much more Important Issues!!
Look at the examples offered.

In the first, you say you are angry…in the second you say you feel no Love…
Forgive me for saying this but to ignore these aspects and ask about “Lying” is to “strain the gnat and swallow the camel”.

Anger and failure to Love are far greater sins and THESE are the ones need to be addressed. If these are overcome, then the “white lie” becomes unnecessary…

Peace
James
Anger, as in the person annoys you, but you don’t want to start a fight so you pretend everything is alright and forgive them later.

As for love, I am not a very emotional person so at those moments I am not particularly sure I truly do love the person. It could just be that I feel gratitude but not love and I am deceiving myself.
 
Wow, I didn’t think telling someone they’re not fat when they ask you was a venial sin…I thought it was being kind. So you mean if my husband asks if I think he’s fat, and he’s not exactly fat but could stand to lose 20 lbs, and I tell him he’s not fat b/c I don’t want to hurt his feelings, that means I’ve sinned??
If you reply “fine, thank you” even though you’re hurting, that’s one thing. But when a fat person asks you if he or she is fat, kindness consists in providing a positive message that is not false. Denying the obvious isn’t really kindness.
 
Anger, as in the person annoys you, but you don’t want to start a fight so you pretend everything is alright and forgive them later.
Annoyed does not equal anger. So, in a self examination, one needs to be sure to differentiate.
As for love, I am not a very emotional person so at those moments I am not particularly sure I truly do love the person. It could just be that I feel gratitude but not love and I am deceiving myself.
Love, that is, Brotherly Love or Christian Love (Agape) is not about emotion. It is about wanting what is best (the highest good) for the other person.
So here again, self examination needs to differentiate what the real issues are and what are the deeper “sins” or “faults” that the “white lie” is a mere symptom of.

I’m not trying to be overly critical or to offend here. I do not know if your question is deeply personal and immediate or more hypothetical, but if we are to be honest with ourselves, we need to recognize what are “root causes” and what are “symptoms”.

Peace
James
 
I always thought that love is some kind of grand emotion, like that emotion I get when I think of God. Nothing else in my life gives me that feeling.

So I guess these count as venial sins even if you are trying to be polite and spare some unnecessary conflict and hurt feelings? Good to know. It is my goal to stay away from Purgatory as much as I can.
 
Okay, gotcha. Guess I should say something like this, “Well, you always look handsome to me (my hubby IS handsome), but I am concerned that your weight is above body mass index b/c I want you to be around for a long time to come.” My SIL asked me the same thing–was it a sin to tell her mom she wasn’t fat, I told her it wasn’t, but I guess I need to let her know…
 
I always thought that love is some kind of grand emotion, like that emotion I get when I think of God. Nothing else in my life gives me that feeling.
Please don’t misunderstand. Love DOES have an emotional aspect. In other words, Loving someone can make you feel elated. However, not feeling elated does not equal not loving.
In English we do not have words that differentiate types of love like the Greek does. We use the same word, Love, for both “agape” (Brotherly Love) and “eros” (Romantic Love)
So I guess these count as venial sins even if you are trying to be polite and spare some unnecessary conflict and hurt feelings? Good to know. It is my goal to stay away from Purgatory as much as I can.
Again - there are so many factors that go into these things, that there is really no clear cut answer. For myself, I am more concerned with underlying factors and faults within me…The “Root causes”. That is probably why I picked up on “anger” and “lack of Love” as being much more problematic than the, so called, “while lie”

In all of these matters - it is best to talk to your confessor.

Peace
James
 
OP, you present a false dichotomy: tell a falsehood or incite strife or hurt feelings. You might try discretion, instead. This requires certain habits that are well worth acquiring.

For instance, if you are angry and do not want to talk about it, instead of saying “nothing” to the person who asks if you are angry, you can say, “don’t worry about it” or “nothing I want to talk about” or “why do you ask” or “I will be fine” or “nothing I can’t take care of by myself” or “nothing I won’t get over” or a hundred other things. IOW, you have the option of putting off discussion of your emotional state without lying about it. You can even talk about what is bothering you while staying on the topic of the problem instead of dragging in your emotions about the problem (!!!).

For instance, when you are asked “are you angry?” and you reply “why do you ask?” and the person says “well, I thought you might hate me because you were fired instead of Sally”, then you can talk about the firing and the justice of it without making the conversation a conversation about your feelings. “Why don’t we forget about how I feel about it, and talk about the firing? I am interested in more information about that, and I do have some questions.” You can hold that your feelings are totally irrelevant to a discussion about the justice of the situation, because they are.

This means you have to reject the notion that other people have some right to wade in whenever they think you have a problem or are curious about your emotional state. You have to be willing to keep your feelings somewhat private when your feelings are not unpleasant, though. If you wear your emotions on your sleeve, OTOH, you’re going to have to take the consequences. When you get upset, it will show, and the jig will be up. Likewise, people who choose to have their feelings hurt because you’re going through this emotion–that is, who think your emotions are ultimately about them instead of about you–or that are choosing their consequences to some extent, too.

When someone tells you “I love you”, you don’t have to bite on the chance that they are fishing for a reciprical emotional reaction, even if they clearly are. For instance, you can reply with regards to your commitment (which is what is really important) and say “I love you” quite honestly when what you would like to do is run anywhere else for the evening. Look at it this way, after all: If you don’t like them at the moment and you’re still hanging around for their benefit, you must love them. It isn’t self-interest that is keeping you around! As long as your purpose is not to give a false impression–saying “I love you” knowing that it will be taken as a commitment when you mean no such thing–you don’t have to answer in the way that is being fished for. If that* is* what they are fishing for, and they insist on cornering you about it, then you may be bound to have an honest conversation about that, and let the chips fall where they may. You may attempt to be coy or to keep your position private, but you may not lie.

As for "I didn’t think telling someone they’re not fat when they ask you was a venial sin…I thought it was being kind. So you mean if my husband asks if I think he’s fat, and he’s not exactly fat but could stand to lose 20 lbs, and I tell him he’s not fat b/c I don’t want to hurt his feelings, that means I’ve sinned??, this is a another question that needs to move to other ground.

If someone asks you, “Does this outfit make me look fat?” they usually aren’t looking for feedback about their weight. They are looking for validation of their looks, because they are feeling insecure about what they’re wearing. It is better to encourage them to be the judge of their own looks. “What does it matter what I think? How does that outfit make *you *feel? If you don’t think it is flattering, you’re not going to enjoy wearing it. If you like it, to heck with what anyone else thinks, including me.” Yes, I’m saying that it is a good policy to always let comments about other people’s looks, if you want to make any, originate with you. If someone else is fishing, always steer them towards validating themselves.

Note that I said always. If you validate others whenever you like their look (or whatever other compliment they are fishing for) and only withhold your opinion when you don’t feel you can validate their desire to be praised, you have made it impossible to withhold your opinion. If, OTOH, you offer opinions when you see fit but withhold opinions when your opinion is soliticited, you have more room to keep unpleasant truths to yourself.

If someone asks you, “Do you think my weight is healthy?” or “Do you think I need to be more fit?” then if you are no expert you can counter that you are the wrong person to ask and then encourage them to seek the advice of someone who can give them good advice. If you do feel you need to offer your opinion, true honesty would bind you to qualify your opinion as the opinion of a layperson, and allow that a real expert might overrule you.

The key is to refrain from making your opinion all that important to other people. Rather, encourage them to decide their own life for themselves. Require them to respect your emotional boundaries, and keep those boundaries in place for the day when you will want them.

A habit of excessive frankness will expose you to exposure whenever you hold uncharitable or self-important opinions. If we’re know we’re going to be uncharitable in our hearts (which is a sin before we ever open our mouths), IMHO we ought to at least live so that our interior uncharity, self-importance, and blindness does the least amount of damage possible. A habit of discretion makes that far easier.
 
I always thought that love is some kind of grand emotion, like that emotion I get when I think of God. Nothing else in my life gives me that feeling.

So I guess these count as venial sins even if you are trying to be polite and spare some unnecessary conflict and hurt feelings? Good to know. It is my goal to stay away from Purgatory as much as I can.
If love were a feeling, God could not command us to love others. Yet we have been commanded to love God with our entire being and to love one another as ourselves. Those are the two great commandments, even though it is impossible to* feel the same about others as we feel* about ourselves. If the love referred to in the marriage vows were a feeling, we could not promise to love, either, because we are not in control of our feelings. We especially cannot conjure up “grand feelings” at will. Many of the saints went through dry spells when they could not conjure up any feelings of love for God at all. That is when their fidelity showed itself for what it was: When love was not easy, they chose to love anyway.

Make it your goal to get close to God, not to avoid punishment. Avoiding punishment is self-love. It is borne out of a shrinking from God. This is why** JRKH** stressed the need to find all sin repugnant, even venial sin.
 
OP, you present a false dichotomy: tell a falsehood or incite strife or hurt feelings. You might try discretion, instead. This requires certain habits that are well worth acquiring.
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The key is to refrain from making your opinion all that important to other people. Rather, encourage them to decide their own life for themselves. Require them to respect your emotional boundaries, and keep those boundaries in place for the day when you will want them.

A habit of excessive frankness will expose you to exposure whenever you hold uncharitable or self-important opinions. If we’re know we’re going to be uncharitable in our hearts (which is a sin before we ever open our mouths), IMHO we ought to at least live so that our interior uncharity, self-importance, and blindness does the least amount of damage possible. A habit of discretion makes that far easier.
This is such good advice!!!

I would just comment that information is a kind of property. The kinds of questions that inspire “white lies” are usually requests for information (often about plans, ideas, or feelings) to which the asker is not strictly entitled. It’s kind of like if a visitor to our kitchen says, “I like the child’s drawing on your refrigerator. May I have it?” Should we be honored by the value this person apparently places on our property or horrified by their boldness?

Most of us are so flattered when a peer asks us for an opinion that we don’t stop to think that this person may be making an unreasonable (even if innocent) demand. It’s worth developing the art of steering the requester toward a more reasonable means of obtaining that of which they seek.
 
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