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Mickey
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I think that Scripture and patristics lays it out as the ideal scenario. But I am surely not the one to chastise someone if they choose differently. God is merciful. He will judge our deeds according to our faith.
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Walking_Home
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Walking_Home:
Yes. It’s an ad hominem that you enjoy using over and over again. How sad.
Guess you turned a blind eye/deaf ear to Baelor’s post #292.
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Mickey
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I do not know why your posts have such an angry tone…but it is disconcerting.
I think I’ll place you on my ignore list.
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Mickey
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I have now!
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thewanderer
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Which response implies that you do believe it is a moral obligation. If not following this rule requires God’s mercy, then according to you there is a moral obligation to follow it. Hence my question from earlier remains. What is too much? In other words, what is this rule? It has not yet been explained.I think that Scripture and patristics lays it out as the ideal scenario. But I am surely not the one to chastise someone if they choose differently. God is merciful. He will judge our deeds according to our faith.
Personolly I believe it is not at all to do with a set number of hours spent away from the family. I believe both parents have a moral obligation to do what is best for their families. This includes ensuring the welfare of the parents as well as the children. All of these things must be kept in balance, and seeing as no one can know all the particular details of a particular family from the outside, it is up to the parents of a particular family to discern and decide what is best for their family and they should not be judged for choosing something just because someone else thinks it isn’t the best. If this is what you think Micky, feel free to let us know, but be aware that this is very different fro saying there is a moral obligation on wives to not to work.
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Walking_Home
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Walking_Home:
I have now!
Well – putting Baelor on ignore – is one way of not acknowledging he is right.
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EasterJoy
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What were the topics of this thread again? 
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Mickey
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Again, I am not the judge. If you are looking for a moral compass on this issue, I urge you to read the Scriptures that Portrait set forth…especially Titus. Also, it is part of the holy Tradition that wives and mothers look to the most holy Virgin Mary as an example.
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thewanderer
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Ok, so you do not believe that the rule that wives should work outside of their homes is a moral obligation.Again, I am not the judge. If you are looking for a moral compass on this issue, I urge you to read the Scriptures that Portrait set forth…especially Titus. Also, it is part of the holy Tradition that wives and mothers look to the most holy Virgin Mary as an example.
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thewanderer
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I already have an understanding of where I believe the moral obligation rests, as I have previously expressed, which comes from my understanding of Church teaching and Scripture, and Tradition. I have been trying to find out whether you are presenting this rule as your understanding of where the moral obligation lies or not, and if it is your understanding of where the moral obligation lies, then what exactly is entailed in this rule.Again, I am not the judge. If you are looking for a moral compass on this issue, I urge you to read the Scriptures that Portrait set forth…especially Titus. Also, it is part of the holy Tradition that wives and mothers look to the most holy Virgin Mary as an example.
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Mickey
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Hmmm.we seem to be going in circles here. I will try to rephrase it. I feel that there is an ideal way to raise a family. I think the directive is set forth in Scripture and Tradition…especially in the fact that Our Lady serves as an example to us. Nothing is from me. It is not** my** rule.
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Baelor
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So you do view it as a moral imperative.
And yes, it is your rule, because it is not one that the Church teaches.
And the Blessed Mary is the ultimate woman, but unfortunately we have a lack of details about her daily schedule.
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Walking_Home
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It is “Portraits” and your “interpretation” of scripture “making” the rule.
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EasterJoy
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I have often thought it quite likely that if a neighbor in their village had needed Our Lady, after a birth or a death or with a sickness or loss, surely Our Lord and St. Joseph would have tended to themselves without complaint, and helped her where it was needed. This would have been what even the merely good women did back then, and surely she would have “excelled them all.” (Prov. 31:29) Our Lord and St. Joseph would not have expected her to be there for them at the expense of those who could not take care of themselves.
After all, do we think the wedding feast at Cana was the first time she had alerted Our Lord to someone in need of his help? Do we think Our Lord’s willingness to take any task needed, to be a washer of feet, was something he practiced only in adulthood? I somehow doubt that. The Holy Family would have been a family at the disposal of those in need, even if it meant that the men of the Holy Family had to do some of what was normally her work. They would not have held themselves above that, not when it meant keeping her from tending to the needs of God’s least ones. They all deserved to be treated as royalty and yet accepted the common lot; just so, they also would have deserved to have been served, and every one of them would have instead been intent to serve.
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severus68
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You still just repeat that married women should not have jobs outside the home when the Church does not say so. It is not doctrine.That is a large number. And nuns to boot!!!
Oh but it does. You would be shocked at how many laity think reiki is a valid Catholic praxis. Nuns do a lot of catechizing.
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Mickey
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In recent times some trends in the feminist movement, in order to advance women’s emancipation, have sought to make her like man in every way. However, the divine intention manifested in creation, though desiring woman to be man’s equal in dignity and worth, at the same time clearly affirms her diversity and specific features. Woman’s identity cannot consist in being a copy of man, since she is endowed with her own qualities and prerogatives, which give her a particular uniqueness that is always to be fostered and encouraged.
These prerogatives and particular features of the feminine personality attained their full development in Mary. The fullness of divine grace actually fostered in her all the natural abilities typical of woman.
Pope John Paul II
These prerogatives and particular features of the feminine personality attained their full development in Mary. The fullness of divine grace actually fostered in her all the natural abilities typical of woman.
Pope John Paul II
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EasterJoy
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Not only that, but the Church has canonized a pediatrician who had three children of her own. I don’t know what could speak more clearly than that to the fact that the Church recognizes that a mother with children can lead a holy life that includes professional work outside the home.
No parent should put their career before their family, parents are the primary educators of their children even if their children attend a parish school, but work outside the home is not forbidden, per se, even for mothers, even when it is not required to keep the children’s bodies and souls together. It simply is not, and no one has provided Church teaching to the contrary because no such teaching exists. If the teaching existed, they would post it, and I stand fully ready to be corrected on that point. Otherwise, that point needs to be conceded.
Again, though, this has nothing to do with how much strength women have or don’t have. I don’t know how this got into this thread.
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Mickey
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The figure of Mary reminds women today of the value of motherhood.
Pope John Paul II
Pope John Paul II
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EasterJoy
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Pope John Paul II canonized St. Gianna Beretta Molla. This quote obviously cannot mean that he thought motherhood was an occupation or vocation that excluded a saint from simultaneously performing any other work, then, can it?
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EasterJoy
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Getting a job does not make a woman into a man. In fact, if you read Proverbs 31, the ideal wife and mother of Scriptures is obviously adept at commerce.
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