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kalt
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If you are, is there anything that you could do that would change that? Murder? Denying Christ? Or something else?
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pyropam
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I live each day as if it is my last,
and I have a peace within my spirit that
I will one day be admitted into the kingdom of
God.
These things that you have mentioned and many that
you have not, may all be forgiven through the confession
of our sins.
We are all sinners and have come short of the Glory of God.
He loves us all the same. Just as you love your children, the Father loves you.
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Publisher
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I am not overly concerned with the state of my eternal soul…my concern is for my life in this world…the next will take care of itself…I am in Good Hands.
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LutheranDK
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There is only ONE sin that can exclude a Christian from the Kingdom of God - and that is telling Jesus:
“Take a hike - I don’t want you in my life”.
All other sins are covered by His sacrifice on Calvary…
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Elric
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Im not 100% sure of anything, so the after life is going to be a complete suprise for me.
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mchale
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As a Catholic, I know I will never be 100% sure in this life of my state in the next life. All I can do is work hard to worship God, help those in need (though both prayer and corporal acts of mercy) and confess my sins regularly.
I suspect that at their judgment, there are going to be many who are going to be surprised at the judgment they received.
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Bill
I suspect that at their judgment, there are going to be many who are going to be surprised at the judgment they received.
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Prayerjohn
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I agree.
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mchale
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I want to add one thing to what I said earlier… When I said many are going to be surprised at their judgment, I meant both ways. There are going to be some who will be surprised that they are going to be allowed into heaven and others… well I hope there are few if any who are surprised the other way… I pray for that but I fear that some will be lost.
I most especially pray that it won’t be me or my loved ones who are lost…
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Bill
I most especially pray that it won’t be me or my loved ones who are lost…
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jmcrae
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God will pass the judgement on us at the moment of our deaths and not before. We cannot know what God has not yet decided. But we can do our best each day to live in His will, and we can throw ourselves on His mercy in the Confessional each time we sin.
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b_justb
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I was going to say the same thing, then I scanned the posts and saw yours.
You must be a Friend of Jesus.
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Publisher
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As a matter of fact I am a Friend.I was going to say the same thing, then I scanned the posts and saw yours.
You must be a Friend of Jesus.
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BlestOne
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Well… St Paul was not 100% sure… and he is a much better Christian than I… I don’t think any of us can be that sure in that light.
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ALLFORHIM
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kalt
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1 Cor 9:27Hi Blest one,
Could you show me the verse where Paul wasnt sure? Thanks
“I drive my body and train it for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.”
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reteeks21
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That is a very good question. A close examination of the text and the Greek definition for “disqualified” will make it clear that Paul is referring to being disqualified as an apostle. He is making it clear that the Gospel outweighs his own desires, and he does not want to lose his favor or position as apostle because that is just how much he loves God. He does not want to look back and see that he gave up on doing the mission that God had given him.Hi Blest one,
Could you show me the verse where Paul wasnt sure? Thanks
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ALLFORHIM
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That is what I thought. But that doesnt mean he didnt have assurance of going to heaven–right? I figure Paul would be the one with the most assurance because He GOT TO SEE HEAVEN:thumbsup:
I think he said somewhere(not sure where in scripture) that he knew that when he died he would be with God but was willing to stay on earth for the sake of spreading the gospel:thumbsup:
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reteeks21
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I think Paul was quite sure when you compare the Corinthian’s verse with what he had to say in other epistles. He even said that to be absent from the body was to be with Christ. It is quite easy to find those verses by examining the epistles.That is what I thought. But that doesnt mean he didnt have assurance of going to heaven–right? I figure Paul would be the one with the most assurance because He GOT TO SEE HEAVEN:thumbsup:
I think he said somewhere(not sure where in scripture) that he knew that when he died he would be with God but was willing to stay on earth for the sake of spreading the gospel:thumbsup:
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ALLFORHIM
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I agree:thumbsup:
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mchale
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Well, lets get off of Paul, and what Paul meant when he says certain things. (For one thing we can argue about the meaning of Biblical Greek for quite a while; both sides sure that their interpretation of the text is right).
Logically, it seems to me to be impossible to be sure of your salvation. Even if we except the Protestant concept of once saved always saved, we really have no way of knowing we are saved. Consider for the moment the thousands of people who were at one point Evangelical Christians but have since fallen away. If you had asked them while they were still Evangelical if they believed they were saved, they would have said yes; indeed they might have felt sure of it. Yet later they ended up leaving their churches, some for the Catholic or Orthodox Church, others for some non-christian faith tradition and still others have abandoned religion entirely. Now, we can ignore the question (in this thread) of the actual state of their salvation. The simple fact is that they once were sure of their salvation and now many don’t even believe in the concept!
To me, it seems intellectually dishonest and self deceiving to be sure of your salvation. You are essentially trying to predict your own future. To every single person on here; remember, you might be one tragic even from having your faith shaken to the core. None of us can predict, even for ourselves, whose faith will persist and whose will fail. And if it is possible that our faith can fail, then we must admit that we can’t be 100% sure that we are saved.
Now, for those who are “sure” that their faith will never fail, I ask them to remember Peter’s bold declaration at the Last Supper that he would never deny Jesus and yet he did 3 times before the dawn had come.
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Logically, it seems to me to be impossible to be sure of your salvation. Even if we except the Protestant concept of once saved always saved, we really have no way of knowing we are saved. Consider for the moment the thousands of people who were at one point Evangelical Christians but have since fallen away. If you had asked them while they were still Evangelical if they believed they were saved, they would have said yes; indeed they might have felt sure of it. Yet later they ended up leaving their churches, some for the Catholic or Orthodox Church, others for some non-christian faith tradition and still others have abandoned religion entirely. Now, we can ignore the question (in this thread) of the actual state of their salvation. The simple fact is that they once were sure of their salvation and now many don’t even believe in the concept!
To me, it seems intellectually dishonest and self deceiving to be sure of your salvation. You are essentially trying to predict your own future. To every single person on here; remember, you might be one tragic even from having your faith shaken to the core. None of us can predict, even for ourselves, whose faith will persist and whose will fail. And if it is possible that our faith can fail, then we must admit that we can’t be 100% sure that we are saved.
Now, for those who are “sure” that their faith will never fail, I ask them to remember Peter’s bold declaration at the Last Supper that he would never deny Jesus and yet he did 3 times before the dawn had come.
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reteeks21
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That’s because Peter was being arrogant and boastful. We are not doing that. We are simply standing on the promises in scripture, which come a great deal from the man whose teachings you want to get off of. Besides, intellectual about your faith is damaging. That is why we take it on the faith God has graciously given us.
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