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onmyknees
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Yes, reverts are on fire for Jesus Christ and the mass. When I first came back I cried all through the whole mass and when I received Jesus I sobbed.
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Sirach2
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Very well, thanks for asking, Pro Vobis.
Every lent and advent we use the mass propers in latin, but go back to the vernacular in ordinary time. It makes these special penitential seasons more solemn, and I’m glad our pastor started this in our parish. We used to use special leaflets since few younger folks knew the latin, but after a few years, most of the regulars no longer use them.
Our people love my pastor, for when he celebrates, you KNOW you have worshipped!! During the Octave of Easter for daily mass, and every Sunday up till Trinity Sunday, we have a sprinkling rite and he blesses us while we sing the Gloria. He processes down the aisle with the Book of Gospels raised while we sing Alleluia, and then he incenses the ambo just prior to reading the Gospel. Each petition of the Prayer of the Faithful are responded to with a sung three-fold Alleluia (the Strife is O’er). Prior to the Canon, he incenses the altar. Awesome!! Our daily mass is almost an hour long.
Every lent and advent we use the mass propers in latin, but go back to the vernacular in ordinary time. It makes these special penitential seasons more solemn, and I’m glad our pastor started this in our parish. We used to use special leaflets since few younger folks knew the latin, but after a few years, most of the regulars no longer use them.
Our people love my pastor, for when he celebrates, you KNOW you have worshipped!! During the Octave of Easter for daily mass, and every Sunday up till Trinity Sunday, we have a sprinkling rite and he blesses us while we sing the Gloria. He processes down the aisle with the Book of Gospels raised while we sing Alleluia, and then he incenses the ambo just prior to reading the Gospel. Each petition of the Prayer of the Faithful are responded to with a sung three-fold Alleluia (the Strife is O’er). Prior to the Canon, he incenses the altar. Awesome!! Our daily mass is almost an hour long.
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TrueLight
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So are converts. I sobbed too when I first received…much to my chagrin.Yes, reverts are on fire for Jesus Christ and the mass. When I first came back I cried all through the whole mass and when I received Jesus I sobbed.
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Dirt
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I envy you and your Parish. But what many are attempting to convey is that the liberties taken by many(not all) due to the lack of proper implementation of the changes to the Mass through the 60’s leading up to the Missale Romanum of 1969 and the further changes through the 70’s and 80’s has left much to be desired. As you well know there were several Missals released through the 60’s leading up to the final English edition rolled out in 1970-71. When it landed the first Sunday of Advent in 1969 it was a major departure from what had gone before. And as we were getting accustomed to these changes more started showing up. Hymnals with some traditional hymns, but many more new creations that just did not sound right. Homilies more focused on social issue and less focused on Salvation and pleasing God. Catechism classes suddenly questioning long held beliefs. Then came the removal of the statues from the Sanctuary, the Altar Rails removed, Tabernacles moved from behind the Altar. Then Communion standing, and in the hand. More emphasis on “I’m OK, You’re OK” than emphasis on avoiding sin and Making Confession. And the list goes on.What many are pointing to is a loss of what it means to be Catholic. What it means to Worship as Catholics.
Obviously your Parish has maintained that Sacredness, but many have not. I travel a great deal for work. When stuck out of town on Sundays or Holy Days i always find a parish for Mass. Unfortunately for every devout parish i find, i find a dozen that bear very little resemblance to what it means to be Catholic.And since we are the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church it is sad that every Parish does not have what you have. Not just because your Priest is better at following the rules, but rather that so many do not for what ever reason. That is the reason, imho, that some are drawn to the Traditional Form. Not that it is necessarily more devout, but that the practitioners of the Extraordinary Form are very dedicated to it and make sure that the Rubrics are followed to the letter, with no license or deviations.Solemn, Scared and Devout. Unfortunately some Priests(not all) in the Ordinary Form are not as dedicated to this idea. I applaud The Holy Father’s efforts to “reform the reform” and return our focus on the Liturgy, and our entire Faith, from ourselves to God. I pray that Our Lord will grant Him Length of days to complete this task.
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adstrinity
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Actually, yes it does. Disobedience was the first and gravest sin. God likes it when people follow the rules. Following the rules = obedience. Obedience = Faith in God, since their is either faith in God or faith in onesself. Clearly following the rules resulted in faith because now people, including many Catholics who want to pit the EF against the OF choose faith in themselves over faith in God.
They do not believe because the same language used in a grocery store was used in church. Where’s the mysery and transcendence of God in that? Nobody is going to look for God if they believe they can find Him anywhere. God only exists in the Catholic Church.Hey Dirt! I’ve heard the expression, “Older than dirt.” Now I know, that means over 50 years old. …That’s not that old.
Anyway, have you seen yesterday’s and today’s episodes? Yesterday’s was GREAT and I encourage EVERYBODY to watch it!
realcatholictv.com/premium/index.php?vidID=vort-2011-11-16
realcatholictv.com/premium/index.php?vidID=vort-2011-11-17
Respect for the Pope, respect for priests, respect for religious respect for elders, respect for other’s, respect for onesself; kneeling for Communion, priests ready, willing, and able to hear confession, Tabernacle front and center, Tabernacle candle, statues, discernable art; Holy CHASTE priests; meatless Fridays, Ember Days, Feast Days, Octaves ---- shivers Yeah! Who’d want to go back to those horrible pre Councilliar times?! Those were HORRIBLE! It’s much better now! We are free now!!!
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Sirach2
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My friend, Dirt,
My heart truly aches for those who do not have the privileges that I enjoy in my parish. Go with a pure motive and sincere heart in a spirit of reparation and offer God the very best worship you can give Him. We pray every Friday (in another parish) for vocations, and this is not so much for an increase in numbers, but more importantly, an increase in fidelity, zeal, holiness, and good catechesis from the men who serve us as God’s representatives.
My pastor was inspired to become a priest by a very devout pastor in the Maronite rite, who has recently been elevated to the office of Bishop. We knew him when…and it is beautiful to see how his vocation has blossomed. I used to play organ for that liturgy and I understand now where my pastor acquired his early devotion. It truly catches fire to be in the presence of one such pastor who breathes spiritual fire. Our part is to support them continually in prayer, so I invite you to bear this patiently and lovingly until such time as God sends refreshing rain upon them.
“A bruised reed, he will not break, and a smouldering wick, he will not extinguish.” Keep the faith, kindle that tiny spark in their hearts by your own prayers, and refrain from criticism - it doesn’t accomplish any real purpose.
God bless!
My heart truly aches for those who do not have the privileges that I enjoy in my parish. Go with a pure motive and sincere heart in a spirit of reparation and offer God the very best worship you can give Him. We pray every Friday (in another parish) for vocations, and this is not so much for an increase in numbers, but more importantly, an increase in fidelity, zeal, holiness, and good catechesis from the men who serve us as God’s representatives.
My pastor was inspired to become a priest by a very devout pastor in the Maronite rite, who has recently been elevated to the office of Bishop. We knew him when…and it is beautiful to see how his vocation has blossomed. I used to play organ for that liturgy and I understand now where my pastor acquired his early devotion. It truly catches fire to be in the presence of one such pastor who breathes spiritual fire. Our part is to support them continually in prayer, so I invite you to bear this patiently and lovingly until such time as God sends refreshing rain upon them.
“A bruised reed, he will not break, and a smouldering wick, he will not extinguish.” Keep the faith, kindle that tiny spark in their hearts by your own prayers, and refrain from criticism - it doesn’t accomplish any real purpose.
God bless!
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onenow1
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Bingo ! I would only add what ever happened to the ten commandments sorry ten suggestions.God Bless
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PaulinVA
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I do not agree that obedience equals faith in God. Obedience can come from superstition, from fear. I don’t understand the last sentence so I can’t comment on it. I think you’re being snarky but I’m not sure.
Actually, God exists everywhere!
The use of a “sacred language” does indeed enhance the experience, but using “sacred words” in the vernacular serves the same purpose, such is now being done in the new translation of the missal, and people can actually understand it.
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archangel04
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Typical same folks who always have a problem with RCTV come to chime in their “unwanted” 2 cents 
Look it’s not everyones cup of tea, we’re sorry if we don’t enjoy hand holding and happy clappy music like some of you do. The Vortex is opinion base! Not once has Voris ever said that his talk is “Dogma”. RCTV has a lot of great resource that is very faithful to the Church other than the Vortix. Please people you always come up with the same old arguments. This subject is just beating a dead horse.
By the way RCTV never requested “press pass” for WYD, they were even shoked that their name even came up.
I don’t know why anyone could say from a moral point of view that the 60s, and 70s were exciting times. From the history I’ve read that’s when moral reletavism prevailed. But if that excites you in some odd way then so be it.
Look it’s not everyones cup of tea, we’re sorry if we don’t enjoy hand holding and happy clappy music like some of you do. The Vortex is opinion base! Not once has Voris ever said that his talk is “Dogma”. RCTV has a lot of great resource that is very faithful to the Church other than the Vortix. Please people you always come up with the same old arguments. This subject is just beating a dead horse.
By the way RCTV never requested “press pass” for WYD, they were even shoked that their name even came up.
I don’t know why anyone could say from a moral point of view that the 60s, and 70s were exciting times. From the history I’ve read that’s when moral reletavism prevailed. But if that excites you in some odd way then so be it.
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ProVobis
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Yes but “Hoc est enim Corpus Meum” means only one thing, that a consecration has taken place, where “This is my body” can mean a whole lot of things, like what women’s groups say or someone who wants to indulge in drinking, as well as consecration. Not to mention English “this” is a very ambiguous word, but the Latin “hoc” is more specific that it refers to the Body and not the bread. I’m not saying it’s invalid, though there were a lot of doubts in the 60’s about the validity of an all-English canon. See Omlor and other writings.
And which lawyer understands what “ad hoc” or “habeas corpus” really means, yet he certainly knows how and when to use it.
Point is you don’t need to understand it; you only have to believe it like Catholics did for over 1600 even though most of the time they couldn’t even hear it.
And I’m done with the thread so you can have the last word.
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archangel04
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What a surprised! You are right lol. Sorry Sirach but you have said some things on here before where you are just border line of “hating” on the EF. We all know you hate Voris, we get it! No need to put it on every topic. The OP did ask the opinion on the topic, not on the messenger.I hate to say this, but you sound like OldMedic.
So I wasn’t there, but based on what I’ve been reading, I have a feeling that one of the positive changes Vatican II brought was a dedication and seriousness to the old mass. More beauty, more reverence than maybe even before.
Sometimes one can takes something for granted. But when one gets it back, it becomes more precious.
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archangel04
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Wasn’t this the point of the 60s and 70s? It was all about peace and love? Just saying.The good ol’ days usually are not as good as those that were not there remember them…
I have not met anyone (parents, grandparents, older people) in real life who wants a return to the way things were before VII. Maybe it’s the circles I hang in, but all I’ve heard is that understanding the Mass in one’s own language is an immense change for the better. I’ve also heard that there was a lot of superstition in the pre-council days and not necessarily real faith.
I am totally disappointed with what the Church has become, though. The lack of faith, the lack of belief in what the Church teaches, the lack of reverence is just appalling. I regularly pray for revival in the Church.
That said, the way forward is not to go backwards. The way forward is to go forward! We need conversion, we need revival, we need evangalization within the Church. The way to do that is not to be holier than thou disrespecting VII and railing against the 'modernists". It’s to approach the problem lovingly with prayer and a good example.
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onmyknees
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Oh yes, TrueLight converts are also on fire especially if they have had a good, faithful RCIA teacher.So are converts. I sobbed too when I first received…much to my chagrin.
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MikeDunphy
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I am 49; most of what Mr. Voris saw, I saw too: the older pious habits fading out as a more skeptical spirit took hold.
Our parish started a slow recovery about 10 years ago, I’d say. Changes don’t happen everywhere at the same time. Just a few years ago on CAF, someone was mourning the *recent *loss of prayerful silence before and after Mass at her parish. Most parishes haven’t had that for decades, from what I’ve seen.
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MartyrForJesus
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I read the forums regularily before becoming a member.You’ve been here less than a month, and can name them? Then maybe you are a revert using a new identity.
Nevertheless, you have your ideas about Voris, and the rest of us have ours - no point in trying to change opinions - it won’t work.
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MartyrForJesus
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MartyrForJesus
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Which ‘rules’? The rules of the Church? If so, then you are completely wrong.
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Well said.
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