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If you’re paranoid, you can find The Vortex on Youtube.
 
Yep, I was fifty-ish about 22 years ago. But I listened to the Vortex and I think he is correct. I converted in 1970, but fell in love with the TLM.
 
Where I lived, the talk of the neighborhood was that Mass was “gonna be in English.” That’s all I remember. People I knew didn’t really think much about it, some liked it. I confess I was not interested in what was going on in the Catholic Church at that time. I was drifting away. 😊
 
I’m 51. Grew up in the 60’s-80’s. Public school educated, brother in Vietnam, sexual revolution was taking off. You were “cool” if you didn’t wear a bra and contraception was what everyone was talking about - and abortion - and feminism. Drugs were everywhere, althou they weren’t today’s lethal concoctions.

I was already drifting away from the Church in 7th grade ('73).

What a mess.
 
Vortex is always one sided and for that reason alone I wouldn’t take the time to buy into his hysteria. I think there was a very good reason that the Church did not give him official Press Passes at World Youth Day.😃
 
kozlosap said:
Vortex is always one sided and for that reason alone I wouldn’t take the time to buy into his hysteria. I think there was a very good reason that the Church did not give him official Press Passes at World Youth Day.😃
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I too find him a bit too reactionary. He spins things to fit his agenda. I am his brother’s age and I welcomed the changes brought about by Vatican II. And we still used incense and sang Immaculate Mary and Holy God We Praise thy Name. We sang some pop songs but eventually we realized that they really didn’t fit…that was about 1975 or so. After that I never heard Kumbaya again. I don’t know where Voris grew up but his experience was very different than mine. It was a very exciting time. I believe that if things didn’t change I would have followed the path of my parents who never went to mass…until the changes started, now they go every week.
 
Oh, Puleeeze!!! Not another Voris rant against the OF. :rolleyes:

“These modernists literally took the candy of the Catholic faith out of the mouth of babies.” Voris’s interpretation of the OF - hardly the truth, but his skewed version of the Mass is presented dogmatically, with a sarcastic flair, as lies trapped and exposed.

Yeah, I was there, too.

His disdain for this liturgy and his proselytization against it is well known and is most likely the very reason his apostolate is not approved.
 
What he describes from the 60s and early 70s continues to prevail at a lot of churches in my area.

Some things have filtered back in some places, like patens and cossocks for altar boys, but there is no consistency from parish to parish.
 
kozlosap said:
Vortex is always one sided and for that reason alone I wouldn’t take the time to buy into his hysteria. I think there was a very good reason that the Church did not give him official Press Passes at World Youth Day.😃
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I’ll go further.

I don’t listen to anything they put out, not because of the content, but because of the delivery.

All the oblique and not so oblique insults and sarcastic remarks make Vortex a non-starter for me.

I know I am not alone.

-Tim-
 
I’m sorry you folks don’t like the Vortex. Its one of the few venues that is truthful and unafraid. I bought a subscription and love it.
 
corsair said:
I’m sorry you folks don’t like the Vortex. Its one of the few venues that is truthful and unafraid. I bought a subscription and love it.
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When you run an agenda-driven website, the truth is what you want it to be. Or rather, what you want others to believe it to be. No objectivity to be found there.

I prefer to cast my lot with the official Church, the one in Rome run by this guy called Benedict who tells us that both forms of the Mass are equally valid.

While there are plenty of abuses of the OF there are also plenty of places where it is being correctly done. Ranting against the OF will do nothing to fix those abuses. On the other hand doing things like showcasing OF Masses of the Solesmes Congregation of the Benedictines, might serve up a positive example of what the OF really is, at its core: a valid Eucharist steeped in Catholic tradition and Tradition.
 
First off, i threw this out to get some thoughts from those of us who grew up through the changes and what has followed, not to debate Mike Voris. Secondly I did not hear in his piece anything degrading the OF as a Mass, just the level of license taken since the promulgation of the OF in the early 70’s and the decline in solemnity and sacredness in the Mass as a whole. Jeez guys, can we not discuss issues without turning everything into a personal attack on certain individuals? Remember Charity? And Calumny?

Pax Christi
 
corsair said:
I’m sorry you folks don’t like the Vortex. Its one of the few venues that is truthful and unafraid. I bought a subscription and love it.
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I believe truth unaltered is Michaels main point in all his videos no sugar coating.

God Bess
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OraLabora said:
When you run an agenda-driven website, the truth is what you want it to be. Or rather, what you want others to believe it to be. No objectivity to be found there.

I prefer to cast my lot with the official Church, the one in Rome run by this guy called Benedict who tells us that both forms of the Mass are equally valid.

While there are plenty of abuses of the OF there are also plenty of places where it is being correctly done. Ranting against the OF will do nothing to fix those abuses. On the other hand doing things like showcasing OF Masses of the Solesmes Congregation of the Benedictines, might serve up a positive example of what the OF really is, at its core: a valid Eucharist steeped in Catholic tradition and Tradition.
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👍 Thank you!
 
I’m 58 and I remember that time well. The biggest thing for us was that Mass was going to be in our own language. There was a great discomfort for the adults who were not used to speaking at Mass (no dialogue Masses where I grew up). To my mother’s great mortification, for a while the loudest voice heard was mine as my 12 year old self was very self-assured in giving the responses that Sister had taught us over the course of a month of lunch hours. I remember my sleeve being tugged and ‘not so loud!’ whispered in my ear. Our parish never encouraged singing by the congregation, even 45 years later it’s not done: there’s no hymnal, the choir sings alone and they change Mass settings so often that you can’t really learn one.

The worse thing that came at the time was the destruction of the high altar and the removal of the altar rail, neither of which was mandated by Vat. II but which we were told had been – sometimes I wonder if any priest or bishop from that era actually read the documents or if everything filtered down by word of mouth and got garbled in the process, much like playing telephone.
 
I’m 61. I’ve been there, too. I remember the solemness and holiness of the Mass and the devotions of my youth. I remember feeling much alone in my love of the Catholic Faith seeing very few if any of my classmates at Mass or devotions other than on Sunday. I remember the nuns in their long habits who taught us in school and how we revered them and our priests whom we treated with such respect. When I was in the 8th grade attending Catholic school in a small Midwestern town, I remember when the Mass changed from Latin to English and we learned new uplifting hymns that were accompanied by the guitar and harpsicord and tamborine and I remember the singing nun, and the movies and tv shows that made me proud to be a Catholic and I was hopeful that more of my classmates would become proud of their Catholic Faith, too. Those early beginnings of change were exciting, but many of the negative effects that resulted from the changes from Vatican II or the misinterpretations of those changes were gradual. For the most part, I did not feel a sudden loss. But for many years, it seems like the Church was locked in a time warp and eventually a great loss was felt. And the songs that were once new and inviting never became like the classic traditional hymns that withstood the test of time. Time and space does not permit me to go into too much detail about my Faith journey throughout the years. The important thing is that for the past 21 or so years, I have seen only improvement. Perpetual Adoration was reintroduced to our parish 29 years ago in 1982. Devotion to the Eucharist as well as devotion to our Blessed Mother are very strong here, the sacrament of Reconcilliation has been made more available with increased amount of times scheduled. We have one or two parish missions every year. We have corrected all of the liturgical abuses that crept in after Vatican II. Our pastor keeps telling us that he is so happy to be the pastor of our parish and when he talks with his priest friends and hears of all their problems he realizes how blessed he is. And I am so blessed to be a part of this parish that we have been parishiones of for 30 years. I see growth. I have hope. And I am glad that all is not gloom and doom. And that is all I have to say.
 
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