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Hey, if Chewbacca can go home to celebrate Christmas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H “Life Day”, anything is possible…
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KnightErrantJR
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Star Trek, like any artistic endevor, can make statements that the creator didn’t directly intend. There is still a lot of truth and morality expressed in the series, Roddenberry’s dislike of religion or not. Not to mention the whole “everyone does what they want to” and “we have no money” things were kinda confusing when even the original series had merchants and mining companies, and made references to people taking jobs that weren’t their “dream jobs.”
Has anyone read Phil Farrand’s Nitpicker’s Guides? I love those books, and he points out that some of the least enjoyable episodes are the ones where the producers decide to champion a liberal cause, such as Riker dating the alien that has started to develop gender (the pro-homosexual episode), and the proto Vulcan culture worshipping Picard (the religion is a bad thing episode).
Has anyone read Phil Farrand’s Nitpicker’s Guides? I love those books, and he points out that some of the least enjoyable episodes are the ones where the producers decide to champion a liberal cause, such as Riker dating the alien that has started to develop gender (the pro-homosexual episode), and the proto Vulcan culture worshipping Picard (the religion is a bad thing episode).
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Sir_Knight
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I find that rather interesting because in a lot of the shows it seemed to me that references were made to Jesus and the one true God. Here are a few examples:
- From Episode 34: “Who Mourns for Adonais” of the original series …
- From Episode 44: “Bread And Circuses” of the original series …
… sounds very Christian to me. And this was at a time when Gene Roddenberry pretty much had full control over the script and the show.
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MusicMan
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I misspoke in my post.
It is a fact that Gene was anti-religion, and he wanted to show that humans had evolved beyond the need for religion. That’s why when it turns up on the show, it’s the alien races who are religious and not the humans. That’s also why you never saw the humans celebrating Christmas – because in Gene’s vision of the 23rd/24th century, humans no longer needed religion.
Just because he believed this didn’t make him right, but hey, it was his show (until the studio took power away from him).
It is a fact that Gene was anti-religion, and he wanted to show that humans had evolved beyond the need for religion. That’s why when it turns up on the show, it’s the alien races who are religious and not the humans. That’s also why you never saw the humans celebrating Christmas – because in Gene’s vision of the 23rd/24th century, humans no longer needed religion.
Just because he believed this didn’t make him right, but hey, it was his show (until the studio took power away from him).
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David_Zampino
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I love the original series, much of Next Generation, and some of Deep Space Nine.
I despise what Rick Berman has done to Gene Roddenberry’s creation and original vision.
Blessings,
Big Star Trek fan here.
I loved TOS, NextGen, and DS9. I kinda liked Voyager but got bored with it. I really wanted to like Enterprise. The characters had so much potential but they kept doing stupid things with the time-line and Captain Archer’s character was so inconsistent it was ridiculous!
But don’t you make me chose between Kirk and Picard! I loved them both. Sisko was OK too; but the space station and the Defiant could never compare to a starship named “Enterprise”!
I loved TOS, NextGen, and DS9. I kinda liked Voyager but got bored with it. I really wanted to like Enterprise. The characters had so much potential but they kept doing stupid things with the time-line and Captain Archer’s character was so inconsistent it was ridiculous!
But don’t you make me chose between Kirk and Picard! I loved them both. Sisko was OK too; but the space station and the Defiant could never compare to a starship named “Enterprise”!
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KnightErrantJR
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But I loved the DS9 Episode that went back in time to the Tribbles episode. That was classic.
I wanted to like Enterprise too. It seemed like they couldn’t decide what they wanted to do with the series. First they don’t even promote it as a “Star Trek” series, then they do. Those of use that remember all the Trek lore remember that apparently phasers were a relatively recent development in the original series, but all of the sudden the prototype phasers were being used left and right. If I remember my Trek properly, the Federation ships in the original series only had phasers replace laser cannons about 20 years prior to the original series.
Plus of course there was the whole fact that it only took a few days to get back and forth to the Klingon homeworld in a few days, even though the ships are much slower, and the Vulcans really struck me as exceptionally paranoid and political in this series.
I wanted to like Enterprise too. It seemed like they couldn’t decide what they wanted to do with the series. First they don’t even promote it as a “Star Trek” series, then they do. Those of use that remember all the Trek lore remember that apparently phasers were a relatively recent development in the original series, but all of the sudden the prototype phasers were being used left and right. If I remember my Trek properly, the Federation ships in the original series only had phasers replace laser cannons about 20 years prior to the original series.
Plus of course there was the whole fact that it only took a few days to get back and forth to the Klingon homeworld in a few days, even though the ships are much slower, and the Vulcans really struck me as exceptionally paranoid and political in this series.
Hehehe. Occasional well done time travel episodes are GREAT! I liked it when they visited the alternate universe in DS9. (Yes, I know they did it in TOS and NextGen first but ther DS9 ones were the best.)
It’s too bad Enterprise wasn’t set in an alternate universe.
…or maybe it was!!!
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I liked all of them except Enterprise but DS9 was the best in my opinion.
Sisko was my favorite captain, Picard second.
Loved Deanna Troi, but that might have been because she was gorgeous.
The best character interactions though I think might have been the original cast.
Sisko was my favorite captain, Picard second.
Loved Deanna Troi, but that might have been because she was gorgeous.
The best character interactions though I think might have been the original cast.
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KnightErrantJR
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You know, I always had more of a thing for Crusher myself (I was devastated when Doctor Pulaski was introduced). But my wife can tell you I prefer red heads. 
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Little_Mary
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Yup! He really gave Picard fits. He would mis pronounce Picard’s name just to aggrivate him (Jeen-Luck-Pickered)!!ANY episode with Q (John DeLance)! Those to me are comedic classics!
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Here’s a bit of trivia: Roxanna Troi (Deanna’s mother) is played by Mrs. Gene Roddenberry!
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Lady_Cygnus
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I’m not a trekie by any stretch of the imagination, but it would often outrank other possibilities while channel surfing. I especially liked TNG (probably because I grew up during that one). Never really got into DS9 and watched some Voyager, but wasn’t as into it. Only saw a couple episiods of the first (one with the tribbles which I liked, another with a guy in a frog suit which the captain drops a styrafoam rock on - yea yea I know…for the 60’s it’s good 
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I LOVED Data - he was the best!
).I LOVED Data - he was the best!
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Someone told me a few years ago that D C Fontana, who wrote some episodes and was script editor on the original series, is a Christian. I don’t know if that’s right or not. Anyway, beside the point.
I’ve always thought Gene’s vision of future humanity to be highly unrealistic. I am not optimistic enough to believe we’ll have sorted out all our problems and not pessimistic enough to believe we’ll have forgotten about God. I also don’t believe in the possibility of being apparently the only race in the galaxy to have done these things.
Babylon 5 was much more realistic for me. Humans still have loads of religions, including new ones. We still argue, have big personal problems, there is still lots of corruption and people striving for power. Everything is still pretty much as messy as it is today and people haven’t changed. (And besides that, the artificial gravity on the B5 station could work)
Yes, I loved B5. I love Stargate too - and that’s not exactly got the most Catholic rationale behind it!
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Gene Roddenberry wrote about his experiences brought up as a church-goer:
I remember complete astonishment because what they were talking about were things that were just crazy. It was Communion time where you eat this wafer and you are eating the body of Christ and drinking His blood. My first impression was "Jesus Christ, this is a bunch of cannibals they’ve put me down among . . . I guess from that time it was clear to me that religion as largely nonsense, was largely magical, superstitious things. [Alexander pp 36- 37.]
You may think from this that his parents were Catholic. No, this was a baptist church where you eat bread and drink wine. Ho hum, so much for understanding. Not sure why they had wafers either - I’ve never seen that at a baptist church.
For lots of Roddenberry quotes about God see this site, which tries its best to show him to be a Pantheist. The writer may be right or wrong, but the quotations are interesting.
members.aol.com/heraklit1/startrek.htm
I remember complete astonishment because what they were talking about were things that were just crazy. It was Communion time where you eat this wafer and you are eating the body of Christ and drinking His blood. My first impression was "Jesus Christ, this is a bunch of cannibals they’ve put me down among . . . I guess from that time it was clear to me that religion as largely nonsense, was largely magical, superstitious things. [Alexander pp 36- 37.]
You may think from this that his parents were Catholic. No, this was a baptist church where you eat bread and drink wine. Ho hum, so much for understanding. Not sure why they had wafers either - I’ve never seen that at a baptist church.
For lots of Roddenberry quotes about God see this site, which tries its best to show him to be a Pantheist. The writer may be right or wrong, but the quotations are interesting.
members.aol.com/heraklit1/startrek.htm
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I never really cared for the alternate universe episodes. It all seemed so fake to me. But I don’t remember there being one in TNG. Are you referring to the episode where multiple universes converge?
The alternate universe was in TOS, Enterprise and DS9.
So does anyone know of a decent explanation for the klingons changing from the Original series and TNG?
The problem was even highlighted in the DS9 series with the time travel back to the original ‘Trouble with Tribbles’ episode, but never answered for with anything better then a cryptic “We do not talk about it to outsiders.”
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The problem was even highlighted in the DS9 series with the time travel back to the original ‘Trouble with Tribbles’ episode, but never answered for with anything better then a cryptic “We do not talk about it to outsiders.”
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Yea, it was explained in a multipart Enterprise episode. The Klingons were experimenting with genetic engineering and something went wrong and affected a generation of Klingons. It went away after a generation.
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