Are you Catholic and don't know it?

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The title is trying to entice! HAHA

Ok… So if you are protestant, and are saved by the standards of your church as well as as baptized in the Trinitarian form doesn’t that make you part of our Universal Church?

Since Catholic actually mean Universal (so I was told) doesn’t that mean protestants are part of the Catholic Church, just not in full communion with it?

I am trying to write it, but it is not coming out right… does it make sense?

All are invited!

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The foregoing account of the Church and of the principle of authority by which it is governed enables us to determine who are members of the Church and who are not. The membership of which we speak, is incorporation in the visible body of Christ. It has already been noted (VI) that a member of the Church may have forfeited the grace of God. In this case he is a withered branch of the true Vine; but he has not been finally broken off from it. He still belongs to Christ. Three conditions are requisite for a man to be a member of the Church.

1.In the first place, he must profess the true Faith, and have received the Sacrament of Baptism. The essential necessity of this condition is apparent from the fact that the Church is the kingdom of truth, the society of those who accept the revelation of the Son of God. Every member of the Church must accept the whole revelation, either explicitly or implicitly, by profession of all that the Church teaches. He who refuses to receive it, or who, having received it, falls away, thereby excludes himself from the kingdom (Titus 3:10 sq.). The Sacrament of Baptism is rightly regarded as part of this condition. By it those who profess the Faith are formally adopted as children of God (Ephesians 1:13), and an habitual faith is among the gifts bestowed in it. Christ expressly connects the two, declaring that “he who believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16; cf. Matthew 28:19).
2.It is further necessary to acknowledge the authority of the Church and of her appointed rulers. Those who reject the jurisdiction established by Christ are no longer members of His kingdom. Thus St. Ignatius lays it down in his Letter to the Church of Smyrna (no. 8): Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be; even as where Jesus may be there is the universal Church". In regard to this condition, the ultimate touchstone is to be found in communion with the Holy See. On Peter Christ founded his Church. Those who are not joined to that foundation cannot form part of the house of God.
3.The third condition lies in the canonical right to communion with the Church. In virtue of its coercive power the Church has authority to excommunicate notorious sinners. It may inflict this punishment not merely on the ground of heresy or schism, but for other grave offences. Thus St. Paul pronounces sentence of excommunication on the incestuous Corinthian (1 Corinthians 5:3). This penalty is no mere external severance from the rights of common worship. It is a severance from the body of Christ, undoing to this extent the work of baptism, and placing the excommunicated man in the condition of the heathen and the publican". It casts him out of God’s kingdom; and the Apostle speaks of it as “delivering him over to Satan” (1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Timothy 1:20).
Regarding each of these conditions, however, certain distinctions must be drawn.

1.Many baptized heretics have been educated in their erroneous beliefs. Their case is altogether different from that of those who have voluntarily renounced the Faith. They accept what they believe to be the Divine revelation. Such as these belong to the Church in desire, for they are at heart anxious to fulfill God’s will in their regard. In virtue of their baptism and good will, they may be in a state of grace. They belong to the soul of the Church, though they are not united to the visible body. As such they are members of the Church internally, though not externally. Even in regard to those who have themselves fallen away from the Faith, a difference must be made between open and notorious heretics on the one hand, and secret heretics on the other. Open and notorious heresy severs from the visible Church. The majority of theologians agree with Bellarmine (de Ecclesiâ, III, c. x), as against Francisco Suárez, that secret heresy has not this effect.
2.In regard to schism the same distinction must be drawn. A secret repudiation of the Church’s authority does not sever the sinner from the Church. The Church recognizes the schismatic as a member, entitled to her communion, until by open and notorious rebellion he rejects her authority.
3.Excommunicated persons are either excommunicati tolerati (i.e. those who are still tolerated) or excommunicati vitandi (i.e. those to be shunned). Many theologians hold that those whom the Church still tolerates are not wholly cut off from her membership, and that it is only those whom she has branded as “to be shunned” who are cut off from God’s kingdom (see Murray, De Eccles., Disp. i, sect. viii, n. 118). (See EXCOMMUNICATION.)

Source: newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm
 
The title is trying to entice! HAHA

Ok… So if you are protestant, and are saved by the standards of your church as well as as baptized in the Trinitarian form doesn’t that make you part of our Universal Church?
If you mean “Universal”, then yes, we are a part of the Catholic church. However, if you mean “Catholic” in the sense of the church under the authority of the pope, then no, we’re not.

We have radically different views on justification.
 
I have read that catholic with the lower case c means the universal church, where as Catholic with an upper case C means the RCC. To us Catholics, there are one in the same, but to many there are different.

Revert TSIEG
 
Revert TSIEG:

You started a thread that is a subject close to my heart. I was raised by parents whose ultra-protestant family histories had drifted into atheism. I was never baptized, and never went to church (not even at Christmas!). And yet I was raised with Christian values. It wasn’t my parents, but in fact my Grade 2 Public School teacher who first showed me a Bible and got me to read out of it. The class read out of it each and every morning. Then the teacher would explain the passage for a few minutes. The next year that teacher left the school, and I never saw a Bible again for many years. But the “seed” had been sewn in my heart.

I was baptized as an adult (age 35) in an Anglican church. I chose that church because I did my denominational research all alone in a local library! A few months later this church acquired a new (female) priest. I was surprised by this because my book entitled “Anglicanism” had stated only men could be priests. Then a year later a retired Bishop came to our parish to speak about accepting homosexual marriage. Now I was REALLY confused! Then a lay brother in the church pointed out to me that my book was written in the 1950’s… and things had, well… changed!

My wife and I left the Anglican church and spent almost 10 years looking for a suitable replacement. Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Dutch Reformed, Lutheran just to name a few… but none of them seemed right. Then, by some strange quirk of fate, we bumped into old Anglican friends who had become Roman Catholic. “Funny” I said “but that’s ONE denomination I’ve never given ANY thought to”. When they asked “Why?” I started giving them all kinds of FALSE witness about the Catholic Church such as “They worship idols!” etc. They set me straight on a few basics and got me listening to a radio station out of New York State (I live across the border in Canada) called EWTN.

When I heard the apologists (such as Jimmy Akin) really EXPLAIN Catholicism, I finally KNEW it was the right church! My wife started listening in too. We attended RCIA last year and were confirmed at this past Easter Vigil. So, as it turns out, I WAS always Catholic and just didn’t know it! 🙂

Here’s the punch line: I bumped into an old teacher a few months ago (she’s now in her late 80’s). I asked her if she recalled my old Grade 2 teacher (she did), and told her she was the one who introduced me to Christianity. “Why did she leave our school?” I asked. “Oh, she was CATHOLIC. She finally got the job she was looking for at a Catholic school!”.

Mystery solved. 👍
 
Anyone who is baptized in the Trinitarian method is a part of the universal church.
 
Revert TSIEG:

You started a thread that is a subject close to my heart. I was raised by parents whose ultra-protestant family histories had drifted into atheism. I was never baptized, and never went to church (not even at Christmas!). And yet I was raised with Christian values. It wasn’t my parents, but in fact my Grade 2 Public School teacher who first showed me a Bible and got me to read out of it. The class read out of it each and every morning. Then the teacher would explain the passage for a few minutes. The next year that teacher left the school, and I never saw a Bible again for many years. But the “seed” had been sewn in my heart.

I was baptized as an adult (age 35) in an Anglican church. I chose that church because I did my denominational research all alone in a local library! A few months later this church acquired a new (female) priest. I was surprised by this because my book entitled “Anglicanism” had stated only men could be priests. Then a year later a retired Bishop came to our parish to speak about accepting homosexual marriage. Now I was REALLY confused! Then a lay brother in the church pointed out to me that my book was written in the 1950’s… and things had, well… changed!

My wife and I left the Anglican church and spent almost 10 years looking for a suitable replacement. Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Dutch Reformed, Lutheran just to name a few… but none of them seemed right. Then, by some strange quirk of fate, we bumped into old Anglican friends who had become Roman Catholic. “Funny” I said “but that’s ONE denomination I’ve never given ANY thought to”. When they asked “Why?” I started giving them all kinds of FALSE witness about the Catholic Church such as “They worship idols!” etc. They set me straight on a few basics and got me listening to a radio station out of New York State (I live across the border in Canada) called EWTN.

When I heard the apologists (such as Jimmy Akin) really EXPLAIN Catholicism, I finally KNEW it was the right church! My wife started listening in too. We attended RCIA last year and were confirmed at this past Easter Vigil. So, as it turns out, I WAS always Catholic and just didn’t know it! 🙂

Here’s the punch line: I bumped into an old teacher a few months ago (she’s now in her late 80’s). I asked her if she recalled my old Grade 2 teacher (she did), and told her she was the one who introduced me to Christianity. “Why did she leave our school?” I asked. “Oh, she was CATHOLIC. She finally got the job she was looking for at a Catholic school!”.

Mystery solved. 👍
I am so glad to hear this… My wife came from a protestant background, and she is having a hard time right now with her thoughts of conversion. She actually considered it, but after speaking with her parents, she decided that if she were to convert it would only be because I am Catholic… yet this is they way we have chosen to bring up our children. She says that no matter what church she goes to she will always call herself Christian. She comes from a very hard line protestant background, but her grandmother, what was Catholic but not any more, told her to consider conversion. So right now she is taking RCIA classes, with the hope of education in mind… I, like you, hope for conversion to the one true Church that Christ founded. I believe all who know Christ are saved, but like I like to say… there is the way, and the preferred way. Thank goodness for the healing power of our Lord!

Revert TSIEG
 
Revert TSIEG

Your wife is right NOT to pretend to convert to RC just because you are. She must have a tremendous amount of love for you to even have considered that, so you can return her love by telling her never to betray her own conscience. While making her decision, she will look to you for answers, and for signs of faith; your actions will speak louder than words.

Please tell her the journey into the Catholic Church requires a great deal more of**unlearning** than learning. We have all been victims of anti-catholic lies, bigotry and slander, its just that the non-catholics haven`t realized it yet!

I pray her RCIA instructors will give her clear answers to all her questions. I also sincerely recommend listening to the Catholic Apologists on EWTN radio. This should be quite easy for her down in Texas (you people are blessed in the USA… Catholic radio isn`t even allowed on the airwaves here in Canada :() Better yet, just download some of the free mp3 files they offer online. There are detailed explanations of the Catholic positions on a variety of controversial topics (Mary, Purgatory, etc.). When these apologists explained these themes clearly to me, it was like a huge bandage had been lifted off my eyes!

My wife and I will pray for her even though we don`t know her name (the Lord certainly does).

God bless.
 
Revert TSIEG

Your wife is right NOT to pretend to convert to RC just because you are. She must have a tremendous amount of love for you to even have considered that, so you can return her love by telling her never to betray her own conscience. While making her decision, she will look to you for answers, and for signs of faith; your actions will speak louder than words.

Please tell her the journey into the Catholic Church requires a great deal more of**unlearning** than learning. We have all been victims of anti-catholic lies, bigotry and slander, its just that the non-catholics haven`t realized it yet!

I pray her RCIA instructors will give her clear answers to all her questions. I also sincerely recommend listening to the Catholic Apologists on EWTN radio. This should be quite easy for her down in Texas (you people are blessed in the USA… Catholic radio isn`t even allowed on the airwaves here in Canada :() Better yet, just download some of the free mp3 files they offer online. There are detailed explanations of the Catholic positions on a variety of controversial topics (Mary, Purgatory, etc.). When these apologists explained these themes clearly to me, it was like a huge bandage had been lifted off my eyes!

My wife and I will pray for her even though we don`t know her name (the Lord certainly does).

God bless.
Thanks for the prayers… She is learning more and more every day about the Chruch. As it stands right now, she is going through RCIA for the educational portion to know how our kids being raised in the Church will be. She like you struggles with the same things (Mary, Purgatory, etc.). Many of the things she has heard in her live about the Church are completely false. She has even started defending us! I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide her so our family is under the Church of Christ.

Once again thanks for you prayers and even having us in your thoughts!

Revert TSIEG
 
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