Are you Catholic and Pro-Life on all these issues?

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Hopefully this poll will stimulate discussion if it does in fact not already exist, but for the sake of anonymity I chose to begin this discussion with a poll.
 
I noticed that their was a vote for homosexual marriages. Why would someone go against the moral teaching of Holy Mother Church on this issue?

The teaching is clear in this matter. Human rights for all but no marrage or civil unions.
 
I guess one person who voted wasn’t Catholic.
KathleenElsie said:
I noticed that their was a vote for homosexual marriages. Why would someone go against the moral teaching of Holy Mother Church on this issue?

The teaching is clear in this matter. Human rights for all but no marrage or civil unions.
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expecting such drastic different answers on a Catholic forum? 😃

But yep… I’m certainly Catholic and voted no on all those! 👍
 
Voted No on all issues. How can someone call themselves a Catholic and say yes on any of these?:whistle: unless you are a member of the “Catholic Cafe” pick and choose your menu;)
 
KathleenElsie said:
I noticed that their was a vote for homosexual marriages. Why would someone go against the moral teaching of Holy Mother Church on this issue?

The teaching is clear in this matter. Human rights for all but no marrage or civil unions.
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I agree, and would add why would anyone go against the Church teachings on any of these issues?:confused:
 
People have commented that being Catholic must mean a consistent acceptance across the spectrum about what The Catholic Church teaches.

I started the poll, because I learned from a man who recently was hired as a temporary youth minister in my parish that he at one time was Pro-Choice, very Pro-Choice, yet I know from previous conversations that he has been Catholic all his life–when I sounded surprised that he had been Pro-Choice at some point in his life, with a Catholic upbringing: he replied, he thought that everyone was raised this way.

The Sister who is a principal of our Catholic school is very feministic in her conversation, and agenda put forward to others, additionally she is a lesbian, as I recall from a conversation we had between us. We have a Eucharistic Minister who is a lesbian: she and her female partner have been living together for a very longtime. Before her partner died: she and I had a conversation about homosexuality.

The hispanic daughter of the hispanic secretary to the priest in our parish is Pro-Choice, believing it to be a woman’s body, a woman’s right.

In the confessional, we have a priest from Poland that recommended a book to me to help with my personal immoral habits that I have been working to amend for sometime, but I was offended that the book he recommended openly advocated acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle–why did he not simply recommend that I read a book out of the Bible? Another priest from Nigeria stated complete opposition against the Death Penalty, another complete contradiction of what is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC).

I have not brought this poll out as a matter of something idle, but as a matter of there being serious problems in the parish, and neighboring parishes where I live. It does disgust me, and it has made me feel wholeheartedly accepting at times of the so-called “schismatic” church in the area that is Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

There has been an influence within our parish that has brought more elements of the Latin Mass into place, but the priest does not know Latin, and who would learn it if he did? Some of us would enjoy learning it, no doubt.

I do consider those of viewpoints contrary to the CCC to be Catholics: you cannot be a heretic unless you are Catholic, but there is a view of at least one Pope that all born into the world are Catholic–whatever the case might prove to be: I see no reason to abandon Catholics that commit heresy, I have no real acceptance of heresy–I think that it is more important as Catholics to admit who among us as Catholics give reason to those who leave the faith, or it would seem have left the faith. My experiences in life, having been confirmed as a Catholic at the age of eleven is faith does not leave a person, but I think that you understand what I mean: some go to Church; some go elsewhere.
 
Vocations are up for women taking the veil. Vocations are down for those wearing a lapel pin. Also as Nuns are to be chaste, there should be no issue as to the sexual orientation of those that chose to be Brides of Christ.

Priestly vocations are up in the more traditional dioceses. Vocations are down in the more liberal (Cafeteria) dioceses. The personal beliefs of those that go through the process of becoming priests should not be an issue as they vow to be servants of Christ in Holy Mother church.

So it seems that conservatism is in and cafeteria is out.
 
There is absolutely no confusion for those who are knowledgeable in these matters and faithful to the church.

No on all options.

Would have voted no on all options twice if I could.
 
Kristopher said:
People have commented that being Catholic must mean a consistent acceptance across the spectrum about what The Catholic Church teaches.

I started the poll, because I learned from a man who recently was hired as a temporary youth minister in my parish that he at one time was Pro-Choice, very Pro-Choice, yet I know from previous conversations that he has been Catholic all his life–when I sounded surprised that he had been Pro-Choice at some point in his life, with a Catholic upbringing: he replied, he thought that everyone was raised this way.

The Sister who is a principal of our Catholic school is very feministic in her conversation, and agenda put forward to others, additionally she is a lesbian, as I recall from a conversation we had between us. We have a Eucharistic Minister who is a lesbian: she and her female partner have been living together for a very longtime. Before her partner died: she and I had a conversation about homosexuality.

The hispanic daughter of the hispanic secretary to the priest in our parish is Pro-Choice, believing it to be a woman’s body, a woman’s right.

In the confessional, we have a priest from Poland that recommended a book to me to help with my personal immoral habits that I have been working to amend for sometime, but I was offended that the book he recommended openly advocated acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle–why did he not simply recommend that I read a book out of the Bible? Another priest from Nigeria stated complete opposition against the Death Penalty, another complete contradiction of what is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC).

I have not brought this poll out as a matter of something idle, but as a matter of there being serious problems in the parish, and neighboring parishes where I live. It does disgust me, and it has made me feel wholeheartedly accepting at times of the so-called “schismatic” church in the area that is Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

There has been an influence within our parish that has brought more elements of the Latin Mass into place, but the priest does not know Latin, and who would learn it if he did? Some of us would enjoy learning it, no doubt.

I do consider those of viewpoints contrary to the CCC to be Catholics: you cannot be a heretic unless you are Catholic, but there is a view of at least one Pope that all born into the world are Catholic–whatever the case might prove to be: I see no reason to abandon Catholics that commit heresy, I have no real acceptance of heresy–I think that it is more important as Catholics to admit who among us as Catholics give reason to those who leave the faith, or it would seem have left the faith. My experiences in life, having been confirmed as a Catholic at the age of eleven is faith does not leave a person, but I think that you understand what I mean: some go to Church; some go elsewhere.
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It is those of us who fully follow the teaching of the Church who are the REAL Catholic Church… The heretics, Cafeteria Catholics, and schesmatics, are not… Do not let the people who do not trully follow the Church to sway you. Satan would love to distract you. Focus on all those who are true and strong, they are the Catholic Church no how many or how few there are.
 
Kristopher said:
Hopefully this poll will stimulate discussion if it does in fact not already exist, but for the sake of anonymity I chose to begin this discussion with a poll.
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++ The trouble with polls of this sort is that they are a temptation to pride & self-conceit, for reasons to obvious to need stating; and these are two qualities which prepare the way for loss of faith. One is reminded of the nuns who were said to be “as pure as angels & as proud as Lucifer”.
 
AmyS said:
… Do not let the people who do not trully follow the Church to sway you. Satan would love to distract you. Focus on all those who are true and strong, they are the Catholic Church no how many or how few there are.
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Thank you for the words of encouragement, I was at mass just this last Saturday night, and the priest at times has what look like flagrantly effeminate mannerisms, (No one to my knowledge has mentioned him having a health condition that will explain his behaviors.), I thought about your words, and decided: I will not allow this to distract from the fact that God has chosen this man; to work through him that I might learn more about Him. Again, thank you for the words of encouragement, they proved to be a big help, to keep me focused.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:
++ The trouble with polls of this sort is that they are a temptation to pride & self-conceit, for reasons to obvious to need stating; and these are two qualities which prepare the way for loss of faith. One is reminded of the nuns who were said to be “as pure as angels & as proud as Lucifer”.
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I believe that there are a number of people involved with Pro-Life issues simply for the reason that they feel better, holier than thou, as a consequence of their faith, and morality.

Men’s hearts are evil continuously, temptation ever present, no matter the poll, or the topic.

Were we more astute in our knowledge of the Holy Spirit, then we would recognize our Pro-Life position as a gift provided to us by the Holy Spirit. I forget the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit: understanding, wisdom and fear of God being three. I have a greater inclination toward attitudes of supremacy than most, and intelligence is a characteristic of every soul; additionally, my educational level is less than prestigious–just the same: I have a tendency to think myself more superior in taste, in style, and in intelligence than others. It is very important to me that I keep a perspective on matters that should I happen to actually be saved: it is a consequence of God’s grace; should I happen to be more wise, to be more understanding, to fear God to a greater extent than another, then it is God’s grace. It all comes back to God’s grace.

I appreciate your comment quite a bit–there is little room for God in a proud man.
 
I suppose those voting contrary to what the Catholic Church teaches have their reasons. Some of you might be more open to present your reasons than others; maybe your reasons are rooted in experiences. I would like those of you with views contrary to what our faith has set for us, morally, and theologically to post what you will–maybe you have done so elsewhere.

I should find from the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs as they pertain to heresy, and what is suggested to handle heresy, or the potential for it in addition to prayer.

I suppose many reasons already, many experiences are to be found in other posts. Maybe they will be provided by quotes, or replies: if you would from your other posts quote your material in the thread and in the forum of the original copy it, then paste it in a reply in this forum, and in this thread that would be very helpful. I have not tried this myself, but in theory it should work and save many, or some readers time getting to your view(s) already expressed elsewhere. I suppose the way to express your view(s) respectfully in consideration of the Catholic faith would be to not be obstinate in your view, but rather remain prayerful to the Holy Spirit to receive those gifts the Holy Spirit may provide to you, additionally, we should keep the topic in mind, and personal experiences related should be read, with judgement suspended, with open questions asked, without resorting to simply providing arguements: counsel should seek to undo confusion, if it exists–I think that counsel is a gift of the Holy Spirit; we should pray that we approach yourself, if you are of a view contrary to the Catholic faith, with such a gift as counsel. I should find at some point within a day or two, a paragraph from the Catechsim that does deal with gifts of the Holy Spirit as well.

Merry Christmas!
 
I cannot of my own power follow Church teaching. Thus I must wait for God to change my heart, because every time I try to bring myself (notice the I statements!) more in line with the Church, it’s a miserable failure and I return to my old liberal ways.

I guess I’m stuck in the cafeteria until God does some changing with my mind. (No, wait, can’t be in the cafeteria if I’m an RCIA dropout!)
 
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