Are you Catholic and Pro-Life on all these issues?

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Spiritual Works of Mercy are:
  • Convert the sinner
  • Instruct the ignorant
  • Counsel the doubtful
  • Comfort the sorrowful
  • Bear wrongs patiently
  • Forgive injuries
  • Pray for the living and the dead
I was drawn to Pro-Life work due to my Catholic upbringing and being taught to do spiritual works of mercy as being an obligation.
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Kristopher:
I believe that there are a number of people involved with Pro-Life issues simply for the reason that they feel better, holier than thou, as a consequence of their faith, and morality.
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I have met and worked with people who might fit that description. However, if Pro-life works are not performed out of Charity and with Humility, they are in vain.

Fortunaely, there are plenty who worki in Pro-life fields of endeavour who approach the issues with a servant’s heart. They are working for the Greater Glory of God, to convert hearts and to save souls.
 
patg said:
My, how opposite of Jesus’s example!
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I didn’t mean anything in judgement, I think that people need to know there is no gray area on these issues in the Catholic Church, it is black and white. I pray for the people that are struggleing with these issues. I don’t think they are bad people. They just need to understand these things aren’t negotiable. Trust me I have had my struggles on issues. I am in no way a perfect person, I know that. I just also think the core of our Church is strong, and we have to keep that in focus. If that makes me go against Jesus’s example, then pray for me.
 
Eileen_T said:
Spiritual Works of Mercy are:
  • Convert the sinner
  • Instruct the ignorant
  • Counsel the doubtful
  • Comfort the sorrowful
  • Bear wrongs patiently
  • Forgive injuries
  • Pray for the living and the dead
I was drawn to Pro-Life work due to my Catholic upbringing and being taught to do spiritual works of mercy as being an obligation. I have met and worked with people who might fit that description. However, if Pro-life works are not performed out of Charity and with Humility, they are in vain.

Fortunaely, there are plenty who worki in Pro-life fields of endeavour who approach the issues with a servant’s heart. They are working for the Greater Glory of God, to convert hearts and to save souls.
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Some times some people will join a group and work hard just to be a member of the group. But, after a time they find that they believe in what they are doing. The works done prior to the conversion of thought are not done in vain IMHO.
 
To be a Catholic united with the Church, one must answer no to all the above issues.

So of course I voted no on all the issues.
 
Thank you to all of you thus far, who have contributed to this thread–I did not expect this many this soon would participate in the poll, but it is very encouraging however skewed the poll is at a Catholic website to see many Catholics living their faith, at least as an opinion would imply, a vote in a poll.
 
AmyS said:
It is those of us who fully follow the teaching of the Church who are the REAL Catholic Church…
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And, what of us who commit sins? Pride, gluttony, laziness, drinking too much sometimes, giving scandal, cursing, missing Mass on Sunday from time to time, gossiping, stealing, taking the Lord’s Name in vain…you name it - all those sins the Church teaches are wrong. Are we sinners not part of the REAL Church, but are those who need to confess our sins with a firm purpose of amendment?

I’d have to say that on one occasion or another in my lifetime, I have not FULLY followed the teaching of the Church on every last thing and so envy those who are able to FULLY follow the teachings.
 
Richardols

I would venture to say that none of us have gone through life without sin or breaking the rules as some would say.

But the difference being that not everyone confesses their sins and then tries their best to no do it again. Some sinners just want their sins to no longer be sins. Change the Church not me seems to be popular right now.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Richardols

I would venture to say that none of us have gone through life without sin or breaking the rules as some would say.

But the difference being that not everyone confesses their sins and then tries their best to no do it again.
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Sure. Look at the number of promiscuous Catholics who make serial confessions, then go out and “hook up” again and again. Or the gamblers or drinkers or potheads - who aren’t addicted to those vices.

You are correct about that first part, but it appeared to me that Amy S, by saying “It is those of us who fully follow the teaching of the Church who are the REAL Catholic Church” was dividing Catholics into the REAL Catholics, those saintly types who “fully follow the teachings of the Church,” and into the rest of us “goat” Catholics who don’t always meet that very lofty standard of fully following the Church. I think there are probably more of us who fail and get up and try again - and again than of us who can maintain real sanctity continuously.
 
Richardols said:
Sure. Look at the number of promiscuous Catholics who make serial confessions, then go out and “hook up” again and again. Or the gamblers or drinkers or potheads - who aren’t addicted to those vices.

You are correct about that first part, but it appeared to me that Amy S, by saying “It is those of us who fully follow the teaching of the Church who are the REAL Catholic Church” was dividing Catholics into the REAL Catholics, those saintly types who “fully follow the teachings of the Church,” and into the rest of us “goat” Catholics who don’t always meet that very lofty standard of fully following the Church. I think there are probably more of us who fail and get up and try again - and again than of us who can maintain real sanctity continuously.
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Now you proved one point. Someone that goes out and continues to do a wrong over and over IMHO is someone that does not believe that what they are doing is wrong. My children and grandchildren will say “sorry” just to appease me. But, God will not be fooled by the “sorry” that is not meant.

I believe AmyS is talking about those that actually believe and do their best are Catholic. But, those that just mouth the words “sorry” should take a good look at them selves and see if they are Catholic. Many of them might be Christians but many may not be Catholic.
 
Richardols said:
Sure. Look at the number of promiscuous Catholics who make serial confessions, then go out and “hook up” again and again. Or the gamblers or drinkers or potheads - who aren’t addicted to those vices.

You are correct about that first part, but it appeared to me that Amy S, by saying “It is those of us who fully follow the teaching of the Church who are the REAL Catholic Church” was dividing Catholics into the REAL Catholics, those saintly types who “fully follow the teachings of the Church,” and into the rest of us “goat” Catholics who don’t always meet that very lofty standard of fully following the Church. I think there are probably more of us who fail and get up and try again - and again than of us who can maintain real sanctity continuously.
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It is so nice to read what you want into, and ignore other things I posted like
I pray for the people that are struggleing with these issues. I don’t think they are bad people. They just need to understand these things aren’t negotiable. Trust me I have had my struggles on issues. I am in no way a perfect person, I know that.
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Let me just say, those, prolife issues, are the teachings of the Church, not the teachings of “Amy”… It is not my place to change them or ask them to change, I trust the Church… It is all way bigger than me. And, I don’t feel it is my place to pick and choose what works for me.

Let me clarify too, I am a sinner, and if I am not in the state of grace when I go to Mass, I DO NOT, recieve the eucharist… I don’t try to change the Churches views on my sin in order to accomdate my personal feelings…

In addition, I mentioned the people on both ends of the spectrum that feel it is the Churches place to evolve, or be exactlly what they want it to be. I DO think that these people can be forgiven for their sins, but, do they all see it that way, and do they all seek forgiveness? Or do they see the Church as the sinner?

one more thing you didn’t look at that I posted was:
I just also think the core of our Church is strong, and we have to keep that in focus. If that makes me go against Jesus’s example, then pray for me.
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So Richardlos I extend that statement to you… I feel that the core of the Church is strong, and we have to keep focus on tha, and pray for the rest… If I am wrong, than pray for me.

Kathleen, thank you for your post, and understanding me…
I believe AmyS is talking about those that actually believe and do their best are Catholic. But, those that just mouth the words “sorry” should take a good look at them selves and see if they are Catholic. Many of them might be Christians but many may not be Catholic
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well this prostant agrees with catholics for once on pro-life issues.

However I do feel that
  1. People at the end of their earthly life have the right to pain releif ( even if it prduces fatal side effects) as long as the intention is to ease suffering not to cause death
  2. I support the right to a DNR. because with DNR man is not acting to speed up death only commiting the person in question 100% to Gods hands
  3. on gay marriage .
    No to it , no to civil unions
    however i do feel we ( the USA ) need a law so persons with
    no family or no family that share their veiws can select a person or persons to have the legal powers of a “next of kin”
 
Something else
five of the nine (5/9) judges on the sup. court (USA): are catholic.
I will be watching to see just how pro-life catholic judges are.
 
I mused over the “old” me and the “new (er)” me in this poll.
The “old” me - under 50, would have argued tooth and nail that none of these actions were wrong except abortion.
Interesting that I always knew abortion to be wrong but had no problem with ABC, euthanasia, etc.
The past nine years of being and living my Catholic faith, turned me a 180. Truely, when we look towards Christ in His true Church, our hearts and minds are brought into His way.
Praise be to God!
 
lel said:
I cannot of my own power follow Church teaching. Thus I must wait for God to change my heart, because every time I try to bring myself (notice the I statements!) more in line with the Church, it’s a miserable failure and I return to my old liberal ways.

I guess I’m stuck in the cafeteria until God does some changing with my mind. (No, wait, can’t be in the cafeteria if I’m an RCIA dropout!)
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The authority of the Church is universal and therefore, you can practice these teachings at anytime, and at anyplace. If you do not accept God in your life, and make those intelligent choices that allow you to accept God’s grace in your life–it is your own fault that is what I understand about this situation.
 
DRIVING_BEAR said:
well this prostant agrees with catholics for once on pro-life issues.

However I do feel that
  1. People at the end of their earthly life have the right to pain releif ( even if it prduces fatal side effects) as long as the intention is to ease suffering not to cause death
  2. I support the right to a DNR. because with DNR man is not acting to speed up death only commiting the person in question 100% to Gods hands
  3. on gay marriage .
    No to it , no to civil unions
    however i do feel we ( the USA ) need a law so persons with
    no family or no family that share their veiws can select a person or persons to have the legal powers of a “next of kin”
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Nothing you say above contradicts the teachings of the Catholic Church. We agree with you. You should read Pope John Paul’s encyclical, “Evangelium Vitae” which is available on the internet. It addresses all life issues–abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, the death penalty, etc.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html
 
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