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angieAugustina
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yes. the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is an important component of the retreat.
If you are considering going on an ACTS retreat, please look in your heart as to what is important to being a good Catholic Christian before making your decision. Several of my relatives and fellow parishioners have attended ACTS retreats. The following is what I have learned by observing them after their return.
To me, the atmosphere among them is more like a cult than that of a true Catholic Christian. Either you are one of them or you are less than them.
- They will try to recruit you with the same aggressiveness as a stereotypical Amway sales rep recruiting more sales reps.
- It is very, very important to show off the cheap trinkets, especially the bracelet made out of fishing swivels. Flaunting that bracelet is more important than being a good Catholic Christian.
- Hanging out with ACTS buddies is more important than taking care of your own family, to include being with family members in the hospital facing death.
- Selfishness replaces helpfulness.
- I have found NO endorsement of ACTS by any bishop, any cardinal, or the Pope.
- ACTS is run by a group of individuals and is NOT affiliated with the Catholic Church – or any church.
Ask yourself, what is more important – being a good Catholic Christian or belonging to a cult.
Now would the Holy Spirit reserve the gifts only for those who have attended some particular retreat. The teaching of the Church is that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit flow to ALL the baptized, and more clearly with the graces received in the rest of the Sacraments.Many of us have already discussed the secrets of Cursillo, which sounds very similar to an ACTS “not a retreat.”
Secrets from loved ones and friends are very different than secrets from people you don’t know. And although you might want to call the gifts as being from the Holy Spirit, we already know the wonderful gifts of the Holy Spirit. And we know that the Holy Spirit doesn’t give trinkets (fishing lure bracelets.)
I have known a few parishes that have both Perpetual Adoration AND ACTS retreats but in every case (in my very limited experience) Adoration came first.We have Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration at my parish and we do not have the ACTS program.
Thank you. I don’t remember the exact quote, but someone once said that the best way to allow evil to win is for good people to do nothing.Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good.
I’ve always felt that the best way to fix any organization of which I was a member was to fix it from within. I am not a member of ACTS, so changing it from within is not an option. I could join, but would I also be brainwashed to think wearing that fishing swivel bracelet makes me a better person than everyone around me and trumps the need for me to act like a Catholic Christian?That’s a fair question. If you wanted to improve Cursillo then why not stay and improve it. Unless their ideas were not considered improvements…
hmmm…
Is the Mass celebrated at these retreats?
Hostile? No. Warning fellow Catholic Christians? Yes.I’m surprised at the hostile tone of this thread. TX_Knight , it sounds like you have been deeply hurt by someone who has attended an ACTS Retreat. I only wish you peace.
The Cardinal of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston (Cardinal Daniel DiNardo) as well as the Bishop of the Diocese of Tyler, TX (Bishop Joseph Strickland) have formally endorsed the ACTS Retreat.
The suggestions of “breakaway movement” are misguided and inaccurate. What many see as secrets I view as confidences. There are no deep dark secrets of the faith nor is anything counter to the faith in an ACTS Retreat. In fact it is open to non-Catholics. How un-secretive is that? Talk of trinkets cloud the discussion. Perhaps the fishing bracelets have something do with some of our first Apostles? Perhaps found in the Bible?
My observations are not based on attendees from only one parish.They are secretive and giddy…Especially when they are recruiting a new victim…errrr…member.
But, we can’t judge the movement on a small sample size of folks in our given church parish. We have to have faith that the movement was well intentioned and these folks are just going rogue with their zeal.
I find it interesting that Cardinal DiNardo’s “endorsement” of ACTS does not appear on his arch diocese’s website. Not once in his letter does he “endorse” ACTS, but rather he encourages ACTS. Didn’t Jesus encourage all people to do good, whether they were evil or good people? Additionally, his letter is only to one local ACTS group, not ACTS in it’s entirety. As the head of the Catholic Church in Texas, don’t you think he’d support the entire ACTS community in Texas rather than just one ACTS group in Houston? Maybe that one group is getting it right while the other groups are getting cultish.
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I can’t comment on the rest of this, having had no experience personally with ACTS or any of its similar groups, though I believe that some people from my parish have attended retreats run by ACTS. I am sorry to hear about how your brother has behaved after this retreat.
However, I live in the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston. Cardinal DiNardo is the Archbishop of Galveston-Houston. He is not “the head of the Catholic Church in Texas.” He holds this position of authority only in his own archdiocese. It would hardly be appropriate for him to comment one way or the other on retreats held in other dioceses (and there are many others in Texas!) unless they posed a direct threat to some of the souls under his care.
Furthermore, the fact that ACTS retreats aren’t mentioned on the archdiocesan website is hardly surprising. Neither are, I presume, many of those run by local churches, by certain religious orders, or by the local Fraternity of Saint Peter apostolate.
Again, I know little about this group except for what has been posted here and that some people at my church have attended this retreat. I merely offer this information for what it’s worth.
My parish participates in ACTS, and it always ends with a Mass which is celebrated with family members. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the process is similar to CRHP, which I have done before and really recommend. I personally think that the CRHP model is better because it doesn’t cost anything to the participants and is held at the parish level, rather than going outside of the parish. It also doesn’t require taking a weekday off from work, so it is more accessable. I haven’t seen people come out of either program with the attitude the OP is describing, other than the fact that they usually encourage others to go. I haven’t seen any bracelets. The women who come back from CRHP hand some handmade rosaries though. Perhaps the OPs observations aren’t a problem with the program itself, but more with the individuals who are running it in his parish/area. I also don’t feel that the process at the retreat has been kept secret, though obviously who-said-what should be kept confidential since it involves individual witnessing.Is the Mass celebrated at these retreats?
Is ACTS somehow related to the charismatics?My parish participates in ACTS, and it always ends with a Mass which is celebrated with family members. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the process is similar to CRHP, which I have done before and really recommend. I personally think that the CRHP model is better because it doesn’t cost anything to the participants and is held at the parish level, rather than going outside of the parish. It also doesn’t require taking a weekday off from work, so it is more accessable. I haven’t seen people come out of either program with the attitude the OP is describing, other than the fact that they usually encourage others to go. I haven’t seen any bracelets. The women who come back from CRHP hand some handmade rosaries though. Perhaps the OPs observations aren’t a problem with the program itself, but more with the individuals who are running it in his parish/area. I also don’t feel that the process at the retreat has been kept secret, though obviously who-said-what should be kept confidential since it involves individual witnessing.
In short, the answer is NO, except that you are definitely exposed to the Holy Spirit in a very direct way. Here is the vision of the ACTS retreat:Is ACTS somehow related to the charismatics?
If you mean the charismatic movements, then no. I believe it’s centered around fairly traditional Catholic forms of prayer. (ie. Mass, Adoration, Rosary, etc) However, depending on who is running the retreat, you might run the risk of being exposed to some pretty obnoxious Christian pop music…Is ACTS somehow related to the charismatics?
Aren’t ACTS retreats very similar to Cursillo and CRHP?There is NO brainwashing. ACTS is the greatest tool that our Church could use to spark the New Evangelization. If you’ve never experienced the Holy Spirit directly in your life before an ACTS Retreat, you definitely will in this, particularly if you are open to this. An ACTS Retreat affects each person differently, and mostly in a good way.
Sorry, I’m not really familiar with the Cursillo or CRHP. However, from what I have picked up on the internet, it appears that Cursillo is geared toward the development of leaders. ACTS is more focused on the individual in refreshing his or her spiritual reawakening. CRHP appears to do this as well, although the information I found sounds like it involves a lot of talks and small group discussions. ACTS does this, but a lot more. One thing that is interesting about ACTS is that the number of people on the “team” often is on a par with the number of retreatants. To be an ACTS team member is much more focused and a greater committment than just being a retreatant.Aren’t ACTS retreats very similar to Cursillo and CRHP?
Cursillo does that too. Are the team members identified at the start of the retreat? Or are they revealed as the weekend unfolds?Sorry, I’m not really familiar with the Cursillo or CRHP. However, from what I have picked up on the internet, it appears that Cursillo is geared toward the development of leaders. ACTS is more focused on the individual in refreshing his or her spiritual reawakening. CRHP appears to do this as well, although the information I found sounds like it involves a lot of talks and small group discussions. ACTS does this, but a lot more. **One thing that is interesting about ACTS is that the number of people on the “team” often is on a par with the number of retreatants. ** To be an ACTS team member is much more focused and a greater committment than just being a retreatant.
Before the retreat starts, you really only know who the main leaders are. However, once the retreat begins, you are introduced to everybody on the team. The remarkable thing is the months of planning in advance of the retreat that takes place, including the hours spent in prayer and contemplation by virtually everyone on the team. In addition to the team, there are outside speakers that come in, and typically you don’t know who those will be until they appear, unless of course they are also team members.Cursillo does that too. Are the team members identified at the start of the retreat? Or are they revealed as the weekend unfolds?
In each state, there is an archdiocese. An archdiocese is led by an archbishop or, in our case, a cardinal. An “archbishop” is a “bishop of the highest rank”However, I live in the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston. Cardinal DiNardo is the Archbishop of Galveston-Houston. He is not “the head of the Catholic Church in Texas.” He holds this position of authority only in his own archdiocese. It would hardly be appropriate for him to comment one way or the other on retreats held in other dioceses (and there are many others in Texas!) unless they posed a direct threat to some of the souls under his care.