Are you doomed if you commit a Mortal Sin?

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I was wondering about Mortal Sin.

Someone was telling me, if you are a faithful Catholic but you - for example - had an abortion (even if it was against your will), it is a Mortal Sin. You can still be considered a Catholic but - according to the Catholic Church - you are doomed to at least purgatory and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope.

Please tell me this isn’t true.
 
Anyone can be forgiven of any sin as long as he has breath in his lungs and the will to repent. What you heard isn’t true.
 
Well, having an abortion incurs automatic excommunication, as well as mortal sin.

Someone doesn’t even need breath in their lungs. If they can’t speak, they can just feel repentant, and they are forgiven. Absolution is the normal way to receive forgiveness, but perfect contrition is the extraordinary way to receive it, if absolution isn’t available.

Mortal sin dooms you to hell, not purgatory. Purgatory is the place where you are purified of venial sins and mortal sins that you have received absolution for.
 
putonthelight said:
I was wondering about Mortal Sin.

Someone was telling me, if you are a faithful Catholic but you - for example - had an abortion (even if it was against your will), it is a Mortal Sin. You can still be considered a Catholic but - according to the Catholic Church - you are doomed to at least purgatory and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope.

Please tell me this isn’t true.
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Wouldn’t the bolded part above mean the abortion isn’t a mortal sin since the person didn’t choose to have it done?
 
putonthelight said:
I was wondering about Mortal Sin.

Someone was telling me, if you are a faithful Catholic but you - for example - had an abortion (even if it was against your will), it is a Mortal Sin. You can still be considered a Catholic but - according to the Catholic Church - you are doomed to at least purgatory and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope.

Please tell me this isn’t true.
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I know others spoke on the sin but I just wanted to address your misunderstanding on purgatory.

No one is doomed to purgatory.

Purgatory is not where the sort of bad people go.

Purgatory is the coat room of heaven where those going to heaven stop to be made fully righteous and purged of their attachment to sin.

So those in purgatory do not feel doomed I’m sure. Although it is a struggle it is a blessed struggle.

Hell is where people go who reject God or die with unrepentant mortal sin on their soul.

The good news is you can go to confession and receive absolution for any sin.

My am not knowledgeable in excommunication issues so I will let others handle that with you.

Seek God and persevere.
 
putonthelight said:
I was wondering about Mortal Sin.

Someone was telling me, if you are a faithful Catholic but you - for example - had an abortion (even if it was against your will), it is a Mortal Sin. You can still be considered a Catholic but - according to the Catholic Church - you are doomed to at least purgatory and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope.

Please tell me this isn’t true.
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With respect, I think that your “someone” on the subject of Catholic Church Teaching was misinformed.
If one is forced into something, including abortion which is grave matter, there can be no mortal sin without full consent, which in the case of being forced is lacking to some degree or other so as not to constitute “full” consent.
There is no sin whatsoever that cannot be forgiven. We can be morally sure of salvation if we are Catholic and have confessed every mortal sin in a good Confession. Non Catholics do not have an obligation to go to Confession. No one can be absolutely sure of salvation nor have foreknowledge, apart from a special revelation, that they will die in the state of Grace.
catholic-forum.com/members/catholictracts/tract45.html
catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation
doomed to at least purgatory and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope
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This is a misunderstanding of Catholic Teaching. Purgatory is a place of great Hope since the souls in Purgatory are assured of Heaven at some point in the future. The suffering in Purgatory comes about through being separated from God and Heaven for a time.
 
putonthelight said:
Someone was telling me, if you are a faithful Catholic but you - for example - had an abortion (even if it was against your will), it is a Mortal Sin.
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No, if something was done “against your will” then you didn’t commit a mortal sin.

Mortal Sin consists of it being


  1. *]A grave matter
    *]Done will full knowledge that it’s wrong
    *]Done with full consent
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    You can still be considered a Catholic but - according to the Catholic Church - you are doomed to at least purgatory
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    No, unrepented mortal sin leads to Hell. VENIAL sin leads to purgatory.
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    and there is absolutely nothing in this life you can do to change that and you have no hope.

    Please tell me this isn’t true.
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    It isn’t. I think you’re confusing mortal sin with unforgivable sin.

    A mortal sin is a sin that leads to Hell. You can rid of mortal sins by the sacrament of confession.

    Mortal sins are big sins and venial sins are small sins. But they can all be forgiven. Plus, purgatory does not mean “no hope”, because all souls in Purgatory go to Heaven after they are purified. That’s the whole point of Purgatory, it’s temporary
 
followingtheway said:
No, if something was done “against your will” then you didn’t commit a mortal sin.

Mortal Sin consists of it being


  1. *]A grave matter
    *]Done will full knowledge that it’s wrong
    *]Done with full consent

    No, unrepented mortal sin leads to Hell. VENIAL sin leads to purgatory.

    It isn’t. I think you’re confusing mortal sin with unforgivable sin.

    A mortal sin is a sin that leads to Hell. You can rid of mortal sins by the sacrament of confession.

    Mortal sins are big sins and venial sins are small sins. But they can all be forgiven. Plus, purgatory does not mean “no hope”, because all souls in Purgatory go to Heaven after they are purified. That’s the whole point of Purgatory, it’s temporary
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HoneyBea said:
OMGosh there are unforgivable sins? What are these?
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There is one.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

This is basically shaking your fist at God and saying F You to him.

Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.

Matthew 12:30-32: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”

Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”

CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
 
putonthelight said:
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Short answer : It is NOT true

I honestly would get to know people and their education about the faith before believing what they said. Good for you for coming here for clarification !
 
No.

You are only doomed if you haven’t accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

Sinners, even those who sin mortally, may be saved by God’s grace, made possible by the Blood of Christ.

Confess this sin, and receive God’s grace. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is an embodiment of God’s grace. All you have to do is accept it.
 
Jon_S said:
There is one.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

This is basically shaking your fist at God and saying F You to him.

Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.

Matthew 12:30-32: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”

Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”

CCC 1864 “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.” There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
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So you cant be forgiven of that? I’m pretty sure Ive done that before not in those words but I have definitely lashed out at him before Ive also rejected him. So basically what you are saying is I am now doomed to hell?
 
Also, this reminds me of a conversation I had last weekend. The guy I was talking to raised his middle finger and said F*** God! I later read that I should have done the sign of the cross at that moment but I did not because I didn’t know. I feel bad about that, but I know God knows my heart. So is this guy going to hell?
 
HoneyBea said:
So you cant be forgiven of that? I’m pretty sure Ive done that before not in those words but I have definitely lashed out at him before Ive also rejected him. So basically what you are saying is I am now doomed to hell?
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Did you read the catechism reference I posted? When I said telling God F You, I meant with your life. Hardening your heart and walking life without him.

"There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss. "
 
Oh Ok! No, I’m sorry I didn’t read that part. Thank goodness! I was really confused, because I feel Gods love and have a relationship with him, and if what I thought you said was true, then that would basically mean that I am just crazy lol

So, I have repented and confessed all these things in the sacrament of confession, so I’m good to go? Right? Well purgatory at least! : )

Also, this means there is still hope for that man. I will be praying for him.

Thank you for your replies and clarification.
 
Also, this thread really shines light on just how, patient, tolerant and merciful God is with us. He truly does love us like children!
 
Hey HoneyBea,

The sin of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit does not mean saying or thinking something Blasphemous toward the Holy Spirit. It basically means that if someone is unrepentant of mortal sin and refuses God’s grace and forgiveness than they will not be saved. If you are sorry and repentant then you have not committed this sin. The only sin that is unforgivable is a sin that we are not sorry for. Here is an article by Jimmy Akin that should give you some clarification: ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/UNFORGIV.HTM
 
One more question.

What about devil worshipers? Can they also repent, accept Jesus as their savior and be saved?
 
Yes. Anyone no matter what sin they may have committed can be forgiving if they are truly sorry, firmly resolve never to sin mortally again, and confess all mortal sins to a priest. This is the ordinary way that someone is forgiven. Here’s what the Baltimore Catechism says about sorrow/contrition: baltimore-catechism.com/lesson18.htm
 
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