Are you going to Hell

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Socrates92 said:
To be fair, I think it’s also the story (which you are free to believe or not believe as you see fit) that she had to spend a short time (a couple seconds or minutes I believe) in Purgatory. I’ll have to see if I can find the reference.
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Yes, please do, because I have no idea how we would know St. Therese had to spend time in Purgatory.

St. Faustina was told by the Lord in private revelation while she was alive that she owed one day (I think it was one day) in Purgatory…which the Lord in his mercy then told her he would wipe away.

St. Faustina taught similarly to St. Therese on Purgatory, basically that it is possible to skip it. I find that interesting given that she was unlikely to know about the teachings of St. Therese on this matter, since she was from a different country, not well read, and entered the convent of a different order from St. Therese prior to the canonization of St. Therese, at a time when devotion to/ knowledge of St. Therese was not as widespread as it is today. There is at least one other Servant of God from the 1800s who reported similar private revelations on Divine Mercy, which I can’t discuss here as they are not yet approved by the Church and the person isn’t beatified. But overall it seems like God is tryng very hard to get his message of mercy out. One is free to accept it and act accordingly, or insist on clinging to the idea that we all HAVE to go to Purgatory, which I don’t find at all convincing, especially coming from random strangers on the Internet who are lecturing other posters about their humility.


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oliver109 I expect a lot of people will be surprised on the day of judgement! I read that only 10% of Christians make it to Heaven. I don’t know how the priest knew that but he did and wrote it in a book.
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It does not matter what the priest wrote. NOBODY except God knows that.
 
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Socrates92 said:
If you want to dive further down the “rabbit hole”, humility is defined something along the lines as having your intellect and will in tune with the truth…
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This whole lecture you posted seems rather prideful to me. You’re trying to argue against saints to tell another person he is prideful when he expressed a wish to live his life in a holy manner that would avoid Purgatory - a subject on which like I said, saints have taught and a priest wrote a manual on how to go about it that was so popular, EWTN makes it now available on its website for free (given that the book is out of print).

I note that the OP didn’t say, “I’m definitely not going to Purgatory” but rather "I might go to Purgatory, but I HOPE to work for life to make it straight into Heaven."

Instead of encouraging him in this good plan, and saying, “Brother, we all should strive to live such good lives and do the same! Good luck on your quest and wouldn’t it be wonderful if you, or both of us, succeed,” you tell him he’s committing the sin of presumption and try to knock him down. Which unfortunately is the type of thing I expect from this forum - posters here just LOVE to tell others they’re hell-bound or purgatory-bound, because if you don’t just accept you’re bad and going to one of those places then you’re thinking you’re so special and not taking sin seriously and blahblahblah. Which is poppycock.

I sometimes wonder if God takes those Protestants who live very good lives and think they are going straight to Heaven when they die, straight to Heaven because of their great confidence in him. I imagine I may, if God wills, find out the answer one day, but in the meantime I hope as many people skip Purgatory as possibly can, even while I pray daily for the souls who do end up there. And it is a laudable and praiseworthy goal to want to live in a manner so as to skip it.
 
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To answer the OP’s question, I trust in my Merciful Jesus to “save me from the Fires of Hell” as the Fatima Prayer says. So I don’t worry about Hell (or Purgatory either) for myself, and can devote my attention to trying to save others who may be in danger or in need of prayer.
 
oliver109 said:
Doesn’t that sort of make a mockery of the idea that people “choose” Hell? In the sense that you can only choose something if you are certain of it, otherwise you could claim surprise on the day of judgement, sorry if i sound a bit confusing here but it still makes little sense.
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A mockery of free will? No, it is a dogma of faith: “since no one can know with the certainty of faith, which cannot be subject to error, that he has obtained the grace of God.”

Council of Trent, Session VI, Decree On Justification [Denzinger 802, 822, 823, 824]:
Chap. 9. Against the Vain Confidence of Heretics

Although it is necessary to believe that sins are neither forgiven, nor ever have been forgiven, except gratuitously by divine mercy for Christ’s sake, yet it must not be said that sins are forgiven or have been forgiven to anyone who boasts of his confidence and certainty of the forgiveness of his sins and rests on that alone, since among heretics and schismatics this vain confidence, remote from all piety [can. 12], may exist, indeed in our own troubled times does exist, and is preached against the Catholic Church with vigorous opposition. But neither is this to be asserted, that they who are truly justified without any doubt whatever should decide for themselves that they are justified, and that no one is absolved from sins and is justified, except him who believes with certainty that he is absolved and justified, and that by this faith alone are absolution and justification effected [can. 14], as if he who does not believe this is doubtful of the promises of God and of the efficacy of the death and resurrection of Christ. For, just as no pious person should doubt the mercy of God, the merit of Christ, and the virtue and efficacy of the sacraments, so every one, when he considers himself and his own weakness and indisposition, may entertain fear and apprehension as to his own grace [can. 13], since no one can know with the certainty of faith, which cannot be subject to error, that he has obtained the grace of God.

Can. 12. If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone by which we are justified: let him be anathema [cf. n. 798, 802].

Can. 13. If anyone shall say that it is necessary for every man in order to obtain the remission of sins to believe for certain and without any hesitation due to his own weakness and indisposition that his sins are forgiven him: let him be anathema [cf. n. 802].

Can. 14. If anyone shall say that man is absolved from his sins and justified, because he believes for certain that he is absolved and justified, or that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified, and that by this faith alone absolution and justification are perfected: let him be anathema [cf. n. 802].
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I’m afraid of Hell, but like the Fatima prayer, I place hope and faith in God’s mercy.
 
Nicene, such at thing could be revealed by the Divine as a punishment was revealed to me. It was revealed to me by God that a punishment is to have your nose turn to wood just like Pinocchio. So your nose would become long and wooden. For lying I presume.
 
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Nicene, such at thing could be revealed by the Divine as a punishment was revealed to me. It was revealed to me by God that a punishment is to have your nose turn to wood just like Pinocchio. So your nose would become long and wooden. For lying I presume.
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I assume that is just a joke.
 
Considering that I routinely fall into mortal sin due to deeply ingrained habit, yes, yes I am afraid that 'm going to Hell.
 
ush said:
It’s not a joke. Mental and physical illnesses are also punishment. Do you have a poor memory? It could be punishment. No sense of smell - punishment. Bad sense of taste - punishment. All of this has been revealed to me by God. Didn’t you ever read of the punishments of Hell and Purgatory? Dante wrote a long poem about those dreadful places. I have been punished severely for the last 30 years and more by God and this has been revealed to me during these last 4 noteworthy years.

I was in despair this morning for a moment in time at having to wait so long for a tram and I will confess this because despair is a sin against the Holy Ghost.

God has been revealed to me and communicates with me daily, therefore it’s all true. Limbo. Heaven. Hell. Purgatory. Sin and punishment.

To my recollection my punishment began at a young age and began with selective mutism. I had severe depression which made me suicidal for perhaps a decade. I had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder as well. I lost several jobs due to demonic activity. And I am now homeless and on welfare. Don’t sin friends. Don’t sin. I will add though that I am happier than ever.
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God did not reveal any of that to you. Its nonsense.
 
ush said:
You are you to say such Montrose? Lies don’t leave my lips.
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Do you honestly think anyone here believes God told you one of the punishments is to turn a person’s nose into wood.
I don’t want to sound mean but it seems like all of this is due to mental health issues you have had based on your comments about your health.
 
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Montrose, let’s wait a while. Someone with knowledge of the terrible punishments of Purgatory and Hell might respond.
 
ush said:
Montrose, let’s wait a while. Someone with knowledge of the terrible punishments of Purgatory and Hell might respond.
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I do not believe anything you have said about what you claim has been to have been revealed to you but I do believe you have mental health issues based on what you said about that and probably you should see your doctor.
 
ush said:
Montrose, all a doctor would do is talk to me and decide that I have schizophrenia which is a supernatural religious phenomenon, though doctors don’t know that. Doctors would wrongly claim that I hallucinate and I promise you I don’t hallucinate. Doctors cannot provide aid for what I experience. They just ask questions and provide medication to turn off voices. Like that could work. Doctors are ignorant of the supernatural.

As a Catholic you should be aware that the supernatural is in effect in the world and you should know that Catholics ar involved in a supernatural religion.
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I think that comment sums it up. You do need help and I don’t want to make things worse so I am dropping out of this thread.
 
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