Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

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Ok I read the quote you included. Yes America was helped by France and Spain, Catholic nations. So it makes sense that there would be a relationship formed between the Church and the early revolutionaries. I think the Church had a reason to oppose England back then. LOL! Sorry. So that probably made the alliance easier. Again I concede to the Church.
The other end of the spectrum though (because history, with the exception say of a monstrous regime such as Hitler’s Third Reich, is never black and white…).

Read this article by an American Catholic writer:

blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/04/how-anticatholicism-helped-fue.html
In 1774, [The British] Parliament passed the Quebec Act, taking the enlightened position that the Catholic Church could remain the official church of Quebec. This appalled and terrified many colonists, who assumed this to be a British attempt to subjugate them religiously by allowing the loathsome Catholics to expand into the colonies. Colonial newspapers railed against the Popish threat. The Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation would now allow “these dogs of Hell” to “erect their Heads and triumph within our Borders.” The Boston Evening Post reported that the step was “for the execution of this hellish plan” to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America. In Rhode Island, every single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2, 1774 to March 20, 1775 contained “at least one invidious reference to the Catholic religion of the Canadians,” according to historian Charles Metzger.
Protestant clergy fanned the flames. Rev. John Lathrop of the Second Church in Boston said Catholics “had disgraced humanity” and “crimsoned a great part of the world with innocent blood.” Rev. Samuel West of Dartmouth declared the pope to be “the second beast” of Revelation while Joseph Perry warned his Connecticut neighbors that they would soon need to swap “the best religion in the world” for “all the barbarity, trumpery and superstition of popery; or burn at the stake, or submit to the tortures of the inquisition.” And, he reasoned, English lawmakers were being controlled by the devil; the Quebec Act “first sprang from that original wicked politician.” Commenting on anti-Catholic fervor, historian Alan Heimert wrote that there was “a special and even frenetic urgency to their efforts to revive ancient prejudices by announcing that the Quebec Act—and it alone—confronted America with the possibility of the ‘scarlet whore’ soon riding ‘triumphant over the heads of true Protestants, making multitudes drunk with the wine of her fornications.’” The 1774 Pope Day was one of the grandest in years; in Newport, two large effigies of the pope were paraded. In New York, a group marched to the financial Exchange carrying a huge flag inscribed, “George III Rex, and the Liberties of America. No Popery.” Later that day, a pamphlet that had been distributed urging tolerance toward the Catholics of Canada was smeared with tar and feathers and nailed to the pillory.
These views were echoed even by some of our most respected founding fathers. Alexander Hamilton decried the Quebec Act as a diabolical threat. “Does not your blood run cold to think that an English Parliament should pass an Act for the establishment of arbitrary power and Popery in such an extensive country?…Your loves, your property, your religion are all at stake.” He warned that the Canadian tolerance in Quebec would draw, like a magnet, Catholics from throughout Europe who would eventually destroy America.
Sam Adams told a group of Mohawk Indians that the law “to establish the religion of the Pope in Canada” would mean that “some of your children may be induced instead of worshipping the only true God, to pay his dues to images made with their own hands.” The silversmith and engraver Paul Revere created a cartoon for the Royal American Magazine called “The Mitred Minuet.” It depicted four contented-looking mitred Anglican Bishops, dancing a minuet around a copy of the Quebec Act to show their “approbation and countenance of the Roman religion.” Standing nearby are the authors of the Quebec Act, while a Devil with bat ears and spiky wings hovers behind them, whispering instructions.
The Continental Congress took a stand against the Catholic menace. On October 21, 1774 it issued an address “to the People of Great Britain”, written by John Jay, Richard Henry Lee and William Livingston, which expressed shock that Parliament would promote a religion that “disbursed impiety, bigotry, persecution, murder and rebellions through every part of the world.” It predicted that the measure would encourage Canadians to “act with hostility against the free Protestant colonies, whenever a wicked Ministry shall choose to direct them.” Once Americans were converted to Catholicism, they would be enlisted in a vast Popish army to enslave English Protestants.
blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/04/how-anticatholicism-helped-fue.html

About the 1774 Quebec Act: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Act

It wasn’t a war of good against evil IMHO. There would have been Catholics supporting either side (for example Catholic clergy in Quebec would have been supportive of Great Britain’s cause, whilst many Irish would have supported the American revolutionaries I imagine).
 
Absolutely not. If it happened I would imagine it to be tyrannical at best.
 
However George Washington did much to purge the American revolutionaries of their anti-Catholicism:
I’ve written in the past about how some of America’s founders not only discriminated against Catholics but actively stoked anti-Catholic sentiment to advance the American cause. Yet somehow, Catholics ended up being gradually included in the American religious compact. As Pope Benedict XI said, now, “Respect for freedom of religion is deeply ingrained in the American consciousness.”
What happened?
I would argue that the key figure was George Washington. As the Revolutionary War began, many persisted in seeing Catholics as excellent scapegoats. American clergy, newspapers and politicians had used anti-Catholic rhetoric to stir opposition to the British. They had declared that the Quebec Act would lead to a Catholic invasion. They had claimed that the posting of Anglican Bishops bore the influence of Popery.
George Washington, however, rejected the Catholic-bashing, not so much on philosophical grounds but for practical reasons. As commander of the Continental Army, he believed that unless he could neutralize Canada, he couldn’t protect New England and New York from British invasions from the north. Washington hoped he could cut off this British Northern front by rallying the Canadian people — especially the French Canadians living in Quebec – to a continent-wide democratic revolt against the British crown. He therefore launched an “expedition” (sometimes referred to as an “invasion”) to Canada under the command of Colonel Benedict Arnold.
These particular troops had not fully mastered the art of wooing Catholics. One military chaplain on the campaign confided to his diary the thrill of attempting to destroy Catholicism to the north…
Washington knew he had to damp down the anti-Catholicism. On September 14, 1775, he banned the practice of burning effigies of the Pope once a year. Moreover, he told Arnold, the troops have to move considerably beyond keeping their bigotry under wraps; they have to convince Catholics that they’d be welcomed into the colonial union and would flourish under the American approach to religious freedom. “Prudence, Policy and true Christian Spirit, will lead us to look with Compassion upon their Errors without insulting them,” Washington wrote. His condescending comment about Catholic “errors” notwithstanding, Washington was one of the first to recognize that a revolution based on “liberty” would need to encompass a new approach to religious freedom. “While we are contending for our own Liberty,” he wrote, “we should be very cautious of violating the Rights of Conscience in others, ever considering that God alone is the Judge of the Hearts of men, and to him only in this Case, they are answerable.”Washington was not done purging anti-Catholic bias from the ranks. On November 5, 1775 he scolded troops in Cambridge, Massachusetts for celebrating Pope’s Day. He told them of his “surprise that there should be Officers and Soldiers in this army so void of common sense” as to encourage such a “ridiculous and childish custom,” especially when the colonies were soliciting aid from Canadian Catholics. “At such a juncture, and in such Circumstances, to be insulting their Religion, is so monstrous, as not to be suffered or excused.”
Washington may also have been concerned about troop morale. Among the soldiers who had gone to aid Boston in its hour of need were Catholics from Maryland and Pennsylvania. Washington’s tolerance initiative succeeded. The practice of burning effigies of the Pope apparently disappeared from the colonies as a result of Washington’s decree, and newspaper attacks on Catholics dwindled.
The Continental Congress – which had earlier attacked the Quebec Act for helping Catholics – flip-flopped and tried to assist Washington. Just five days after issuing their attack on Catholicism, Congress fired off a letter beseeching the French Canadians to join them in the cause of freedom. The letter urged the Canadians to be suspicious of the Quebec Act’s new guarantees of religious liberty for the Catholics. “What is offered to you by the late Parliament?. . . Liberty of conscience in your religion? No. God gave it to you.” On May 29, 1775, Congress – filled to the brim with delegates who hated Catholicism – concluded that “we perceived the fate of the protestant and catholic colonies to be strongly linked together.”
It was a hilariously abrupt about-face, and the Canadians were suspicious.
To be taken more seriously, in 1776 congress sent a delegation consisting of Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Chase, and Charles Carroll, a Catholic representative from Maryland
. Carroll convinced his cousin John Carroll – a Catholic priest about whom Pope Benedict XI spoke – to join the group. But the priests they met in Montreal told the delegation that the British had indeed lived by the spirit of the Quebec Act and treated them well (in fact much better than Catholics were treated in most of the American colonies). Furthermore, the Canadians said, they could not easily forget or ignore the hostile views expressed about Catholics after the passage of the Quebec Act.
Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/04/why-george-washington-should-b.html#ixzz2isGMhwDO

So Pope Leo’s appraisal of Washington was spot on. He can rightly be called, as the pope named him in that encyclical, “the great Washington”.

He is a man whom I think US Catholics can and rightly should take pride in.

The actual history of the War of Independence is complex however and not a sugar-coated narrative of brave revolutionaries fighting a tyrannous dictatorship. Neither the Brits nor the Americans deserve to be treated as “villains”.
 
I voted No, but in theory I’d say Yes. I’m a 61 year old man who grew up with Star Trek. In the Star Trek mythology for a planet to get into the United Federation of Planets, they had to grow past their petty fights between nations, and have 1 government for the whole world. The idea being how can a planet live in peace with other worlds if they can’t live in peace with themselves. Part of me still believes that, but as an adult of 61, I don’t think we humans will ever learn to live in peace with each other. So a 1 world government would become a dictatorship that would be worse than Hitler and Nazi Germany. That’s not what Star Trek meant.

The sinful nature of man is too strong to allow 1 government for the whole world. When I was a younger man I believed we could over come our sinful nature if we tried had enough. Part of me still believes that. But what I have seen in my many years here is that most people don’t want to over come their sinful nature. Instead they want to embrace it, and seek to enjoy themselves, and not worry about anyone else, unless it benefits themselves. It saddens me to say all this, and I wish I was wrong.
 
It would be nice if you could provide examples for both.
Sure. During the French revolution Masons led the charge against the Catholic Church bringing ‘the Church down’ in France. it has been noted that the Duke of Orleans, a freemason, bought all the grain and sold it abroad in order to create an uprising. He caused people to starve, and helped cause the revolution.

Then it wasn’t long after poor king Louis and his wife had their heads decapitated at the guillotine that Freemason Napoleon Bonaparte began his anti-Christian dictatorship -which basically replaced the Catholic Monarchy… :rolleyes:

…But then its also true that the masons are never far from any “revolution” that takes place. Just look at the American Revolution, where a similar experience took place -throwing tea into the ocean…? Causing another revolution in the same way the French one started…? Well, at least they got the outcome they were looking for -even though they had to deny people things in the process.:rolleyes:

But its also a known fact that freemasons solicit people in positions of power in order to gain influence on a global level. Just look at how many judges are freemasons in England.fallingmasonry.info/masonic-judges.html

Its gotten so bad that its become a scandal after a law was passed that judges no longer need to declare whether they are a mason or not… Talk about ruling with an invisible hand!!! :eek:dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225532/Judges-longer-declare-freemasons-Straw-says.html
 
…I wonder how many of those employed at Think Tanks are Freemasons… A lot of money and influence there. Think tanks are the institutes that dictate ALL policy here in the US, in which their ideas are handed off to politicians within our two party system and then signed into law. It’s all so very scandalous.

…Billions and billions of dollars, and highly influential people…? Surely the Masons have both hands in on that one. For sure! :cool:
 
You can really see the beginnings of globalization with Napoleon Bonaparte, the freemason, when he began his “French presence” in Egypt and Syria. That’s probably where all the grain went that was taken by the Duke of Orleans… You can also see the similarities in todays politics in which the NEO-politicians such as McCain, Bush and Obama all try to Democratize the middle-East.

Its all so obvious its not even funny. :cool: I think the Brookings Institute is behind the Neo-cons and Neo-liberals in todays current politics…en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution

The Brookings Institute was the first Think Tank known in the US and is also the most influential Think Tank in the world. It is known as being center-to-left, however the Brookings Institution is referenced almost equally by both Democrats and Republicans.

Brookings conducts research and education in the social sciences, primarily in economics, metropolitan policy, governance, foreign policy, and global economy and development. :cool: Pretty Masonic in nature. Not Christian at all.
 
…I wonder how many of those employed at Think Tanks are Freemasons… A lot of money and influence there. Think tanks are the institutes that dictate ALL policy here in the US, in which their ideas are handed off to politicians within our two party system and then signed into law. It’s all so very scandalous.

…Billions and billions of dollars, and highly influential people…? Surely the Masons have both hands in on that one. For sure! :cool:
I am sick and tired of you disparaging an entire organization and its members based on wild accusations, hearsay, and rumors. Not very charitable at all.
 
You can really see the beginnings of globalization with Napoleon Bonaparte, the freemason, when he began his “French presence” in Egypt and Syria. That’s probably where all the grain went that was taken by the Duke of Orleans… You can also see the similarities in todays politics in which the NEO-politicians such as McCain, Bush and Obama all try to Democratize the middle-East.

Its all so obvious its not even funny. :cool: I think the Brookings Institute is behind the Neo-cons and Neo-liberals in todays current politics…en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution

The Brookings Institute was the first Think Tank known in the US and is also the most influential Think Tank in the world. It is known as being center-to-left, however the Brookings Institution is referenced almost equally by both Democrats and Republicans.

Brookings conducts research and education in the social sciences, primarily in economics, metropolitan policy, governance, foreign policy, and global economy and development. :cool: Pretty Masonic in nature. Not Christian at all.
Do you have any reputable sources to back up anything that you have claimed in this post?
 
Sure. During the French revolution Masons led the charge against the Catholic Church bringing ‘the Church down’ in France. it has been noted that the Duke of Orleans, a freemason, bought all the grain and sold it abroad in order to create an uprising. He caused people to starve, and helped cause the revolution.

Then it wasn’t long after poor king Louis and his wife had their heads decapitated at the guillotine that Freemason Napoleon Bonaparte began his anti-Christian dictatorship -which basically replaced the Catholic Monarchy… :rolleyes:

…But then its also true that the masons are never far from any “revolution” that takes place. Just look at the American Revolution, where a similar experience took place -throwing tea into the ocean…? Causing another revolution in the same way the French one started…? Well, at least they got the outcome they were looking for -even though they had to deny people things in the process.:rolleyes:

But its also a known fact that freemasons solicit people in positions of power in order to gain influence on a global level. Just look at how many judges are freemasons in England.fallingmasonry.info/masonic-judges.html

Its gotten so bad that its become a scandal after a law was passed that judges no longer need to declare whether they are a mason or not… Talk about ruling with an invisible hand!!! :eek:dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225532/Judges-longer-declare-freemasons-Straw-says.html
Do you have any reputable sources backing any of this up?
 
I’ve given you several sources already. 🤷 I don’t know what you’re talking about. :confused:
 
I think people will never believe whats actually happening until its on the MSN and that will never happen as its controlled. people should start investigating it with a view to disproving the NWO, that generally opens people’s eyes. of course there is a lot of misinformation out there but time taken to go through is still an eye opener.

in my own country if someone had said a few years ago that the irish people would talk on a debt that wasn’t theirs that will cripple them for generations, because the banks had lent money to other bankrupt banks and wanted someone to pick up the tab. So the irish people subservantly did without a whimper, no one would have believed it.
 
Sure. During the French revolution Masons led the charge against the Catholic Church bringing ‘the Church down’ in France. it has been noted that the Duke of Orleans, a freemason, bought all the grain and sold it abroad in order to create an uprising. He caused people to starve, and helped cause the revolution.

Then it wasn’t long after poor king Louis and his wife had their heads decapitated at the guillotine that Freemason Napoleon Bonaparte began his anti-Christian dictatorship -which basically replaced the Catholic Monarchy… :rolleyes:

…But then its also true that the masons are never far from any “revolution” that takes place. Just look at the American Revolution, where a similar experience took place -throwing tea into the ocean…? Causing another revolution in the same way the French one started…? Well, at least they got the outcome they were looking for -even though they had to deny people things in the process.:rolleyes:

But its also a known fact that freemasons solicit people in positions of power in order to gain influence on a global level. Just look at how many judges are freemasons in England.fallingmasonry.info/masonic-judges.html

Its gotten so bad that its become a scandal after a law was passed that judges no longer need to declare whether they are a mason or not… Talk about ruling with an invisible hand!!! :eek:dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225532/Judges-longer-declare-freemasons-Straw-says.html
My thinking is more in line with yours. I’m surprised how people will believe the worst about our Church even in light of the source of the slander. God bless you. :O)
 
I think people will never believe whats actually happening until its on the MSN and that will never happen as its controlled. people should start investigating it with a view to disproving the NWO, that generally opens people’s eyes. of course there is a lot of misinformation out there but time taken to go through is still an eye opener.

in my own country if someone had said a few years ago that the irish people would talk on a debt that wasn’t theirs that will cripple them for generations, because the banks had lent money to other bankrupt banks and wanted someone to pick up the tab. So the irish people subservantly did without a whimper, no one would have believed it.
Exactly! People need to do some research for themselves. In this age people are so used to being fed their ideas. What ever happened to critical thinking. The saints were great thinkers. We need to follow their examples. When in doubt, turn to the Church. God bless you.
 
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