Are you praying for Roeder?

  • Thread starter Thread starter distracted
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
D

distracted

Guest
He needs our prayers… (i think he does anyway… one never knows…)

you may not agree with what he did…

though I say his crime was far from inexcusable…

In any case, we should all extend our Christian love to him…
 
well, at least 37 people don’t seem to have opposition to praying for Roeder…

maybe there really are Christians here at CAF… 😃
 
Scott Roeder certainly does need prayers. But that in no way means that we endorse his actions. For example, President Obama is probably one of the most deceptive and evil leaders America has ever had, yet I pray for him too. Though I admit, I am praying for him impeachment or the success of those seeking to get the courts to hear the evidence that he was not born in the USA.
 
rpp said:
Scott Roeder certainly does need prayers. But that in no way means that we endorse his actions. For example, President Obama is probably one of the most deceptive and evil leaders America has ever had, yet I pray for him too. Though I admit, I am praying for him impeachment or the success of those seeking to get the courts to hear the evidence that he was not born in the USA.
Click to expand...
well, i don’t exactly “endorse” but…

I think it was wrong for him to do what he did in a church when the guy wasn’t killing anyone… but Tiller was a known mass murderer (at least i assume that Roeder KNEW this absolutely…)

what bothers me is that - for all Roeder knew, tiller was planning on quitting the next day…could have repented in the church that day… Not likely… but possible…

i wouldn’t do what he did but … well, i would have had no objection to someone killing Hitler…and i fail to see the difrerence… …

I think those 7 who legalized abortion ought to be in prison … but you know how it is… they’re “immune”… :rolleyes:
 
Love the sinner, hate the sin. We must love all of our brothers and sisters. The ones that have fallen we must pray for even more. Want abortions to end? Pray.
 
I agree that we should pray for Roeder but frankly, I have so much on my plate to pray for I don’t about him at all. His family, Tiller’s family, Tiller himself all need prayer.
How about this scenerio? Tiller has an epiphany at church during the service and quietly decides to give up aborting and repents to God. God in His wisdom then decides to bring him home before he can change his mind, thus condemning himself to hell.

Just a thought. Peace, Tom
 
distracted said:
i wouldn’t do what he did but … well, i would have had no objection to someone killing Hitler…and i fail to see the difrerence… …
Click to expand...
Georbles was a political and military mastermind. If he had gotten control of the Third Reich a couple years earlier (note before the end was immanent) WWII would have raged on much longer and probably had a vastly different outcome. So, yeah I think it’s a good thing that those assassination attempts against Hitler failed.
 
sawman said:
How about this scenerio? Tiller has an epiphany at church during the service and quietly decides to give up aborting and repents to God. God in His wisdom then decides to bring him home before he can change his mind, thus condemning himself to hell.
Click to expand...
Yeah, and the nice quite heart attack that he suffered while praying is evidence of this epiphany.
 
Drawmack, you have a one track mind. Derailed, but one track.
Peace, Tom
 
Thank you for this thread; it had not occurred to me to pray for him. I shall, although I certainly do not see the point: God already knows what he needs, and you’ve already apparently talked with him about it.

EDIT: Concerning the rest of my post below: I misread your post. The “in” of “inexcusable” did not register.
distracted said:
I say his crime was far from inexcusable…
Click to expand...
*How can you say that? It is not far at all from inexcusable: it seems very likely the man he killed was not repentant of the murders he was committing. Am I ignorant of his situation? Had the recently deceased repented of his sins and turned to God, and Roeder mistakenly killed him, thinking otherwise?

The fact is that murderers deserve to die (i.e. unrepentant ones still living in their sin), and, in fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that, if society cannot be protected from them, they should die – it is only by God’s mercy that they live. While the recently deceased (I’ve forgotten his name) belonged in prison, and thus killing him was in fact immoral, it is not “far from” inexcusable like you suggest.*
 
…for him and for the people who rejoice (or are not displeased) by what what he did.

Quite apart from the fact that murder is murder regardless of one’s beliefs about abortion, it upsets me when people rejoice over the killing of anyone. As a child, I was taught never to rejoice when bad things (even well-deserved punishment) happen to other people. It makes sense, since but for the grace of God, we all as sinners deserving of punishment.

I remember how it upset me when people rejoiced at Saddam’s execution: rejoicing in freedom from oppression is one thing - rejoicing in the killing of an oppressor in quite another.

I don’t know the exact reference (or even the book) but this OT quote gives me pause when I would rejoice in another’s misfortune: “I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, so turn to me and live”. If God isn’t pleased by any man’s destruction, who am I to rejoice over it, even in the secrecy of my heart?
 
Drawmack said:
Georbles was a political and military mastermind. If he had gotten control of the Third Reich a couple years earlier (note before the end was immanent) WWII would have raged on much longer and probably had a vastly different outcome. So, yeah I think it’s a good thing that those assassination attempts against Hitler failed.
Click to expand...
that’s something no one knows but God… and He aint sayin’… 😃

God doesn’t tell us a LOT of things…

but in any case, the point is not whether such & such would have happened if Hitler had been killed. . or not… the point was that it was NOT wrong to assasinate such a monster… and sometimes things like that are necessary to save innocent lives…
 
distracted said:
that’s something no one knows but God… and He aint sayin’… 😃

God doesn’t tell us a LOT of things…

but in any case, the point is not whether such & such would have happened if Hitler had been killed. . or not… the point was that it was NOT wrong to assasinate such a monster… and sometimes things like that are necessary to save innocent lives…
Click to expand...
And, my counter point was that murdering him may have unleashed an even bigger monster. You are right, only God knows. Which is why, only God can determine when life’s natural end will be. And, any affront to that decision is an affront to God.
 
Roeder has echoed the problem raised by The Boondock Saints: How do you discern God’s will and perform it in the face of evil? The ideas of the just war doctrine and of capital punishment when necessary for society are difficult to embrace.

I think I may have found the answer in Proverb 20.22 (RSV):
Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the LORD, and he will help you.
Click to expand...
The New American Bible says,
Say not, “I will repay evil!” Trust in the LORD and he will help you.
Click to expand...
So the question then becomes, does God care about all the murdered children? According to Christianity, the answer is yes. The question is then, will God end their murder?

Personally, I am frustrated, and feel the answer is no, God will not. Millions have been praying for years, especially since 1973’s Roe v. Wade, and not only has infanticide been occurring throughout all of known Western civilization, it seems it will not be stopping anytime soon. God hears all prayers, apparently millions every day, and God has not stopped abortion.
 
ethereality said:
Roeder has echoed the problem raised by The Boondock Saints: How do you discern God’s will and perform it in the face of evil? The ideas of the just war doctrine and of capital punishment when necessary for society are difficult to embrace.

I think I may have found the answer in Proverb 20.22 (RSV): The New American Bible says,

So the question then becomes, does God care about all the murdered children? According to Christianity, the answer is yes. The question is then, will God end their murder?

Personally, I am frustrated, and feel the answer is no, God will not. Millions have been praying for years, especially since 1973’s Roe v. Wade, and not only has infanticide been occurring throughout all of known Western civilization, it seems it will not be stopping anytime soon. God hears all prayers, apparently millions every day, and God has not stopped abortion.
Click to expand...
we humans tie God’s hands… happened when the Indians were being stripped of their land… when the Blacks were denied their rights… (God given rights)… when the Nazis oppressed and murdered the Jews… I’m sure a lot of those pepole asked God, where are you? Been there…

well, i speculate that God did work to end abortion… (as well as working in the aforementioned atrocities)… I believe God works through brave, self-sacrificing individuals…

as far as Vegeneance is mine saith the Lord and all that…

it is one thing to turn the other cheek when one does evil to us… but how can we make that decision for those who totally helpless… choice-less… They don’t have the choice whether to turn the other cheek… or a choice over antyhing else as well…

i have to say i am confused to some extent… except that i know God allowed capital punishment way back when & i don’t feel He has a problem with it now…

as far as the argument of doing what the law says…

We saw how that worked not only in Nazi Germany but countless other places throughout history… We do not have to obey ungodly laws… that take the lives of innocent persons… we don’t have to respect them as we would right laws…

yet… what IS the answer… ??

I have a lot of ideas but I’m still kind of … what is the word?? Let’s just say the jury in mind is “out” on how far anyone should go in fighting oppression / unlawful “execution” (abortion) … and … etc…

i just don’t think Roeder should be tried for murder… In fact, i KNOW he shouldn’t… Murder is killing an innocent person… As stated before, he is guilty of taking capital punishment laws into his own hands…
 
Drawmack said:
And, my counter point was that murdering him may have unleashed an even bigger monster. You are right, only God knows. Which is why, only God can determine when life’s natural end will be. And, any affront to that decision is an affront to God.
Click to expand...
i don’t agree… according to the Word of God… esp the readings from yesterday… God punishes evil - punishes people going against HIm… and what He wants.

he has often had humans enforce his totally righteous judgments against a given person or nation… In the OT he told someone (can’t recall whom) & his soldiers to kill a whole town, women and children also… because of idolatry… (worshipping satan)

God still hates idolatry… God doesn’t change…

nobody seems to realize that … as bad an action as Roeder seemed to have taken, he did sacrifice his life…

and one must also admit that in this world of selfishness and greed, that is a very rare thing…

True, i don’t know his motives… If he didn’t do it for the right reasons… that’s a different kind of thing… but objectively speaking… he seems to have acted on his conscience… and he did give up his freedom, if not his actual physical life…
 
Drawmack said:
Yeah, and the nice quite heart attack that he suffered while praying is evidence of this epiphany.
Click to expand...
hmmm… are you saying that if he’d had a true conversion he wouldn’t have been gunned down…?

well, only God knows… but in admitted ignorance of such things… I tend to agree with you…
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top