Are you pro-gun, or anti-gun?

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If you have it and never need it… great.

If you don’t have it and need it… not so great…

Even if it’s once in a lifetime…

Our world seems pretty safe… but when you look at riots (previous post of the riot in East Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict)… you can see some real sad ugliness from “normal” people in extraordinary circumstances. You never know. Terrorism, gangs, drugs, mobs, etc.

The right to bear adequate arms and the willingness and proficiency to use them if necessary per the CCC referenced above is not only “okay” but a responsibility for those willing and capable.

Those not willing and capable can thank those who are… and stop spouting off their nonsensical, idealistic, politically correct, wrong headed, unrealistic, fairy tale drivel…
 
LongingSoul said:
There is a stark difference in wartime mentality than in peacetime mentality and that is not just demonstrated by the failure of the peace time arms race (cold war) but in psychological terms, the way an individual responds to the world around him by the ‘fight or flight’ over reaction.
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Prove it, speculation based on opinion. I disagree!!! And thats clear twice since you are “repetitive”. Psychological terms…laughable. Only over reaction fear driven is YOU. Hows that for psycho-analysis. YOU are projecting “fear”. Don’t worry the Australian police will be “in time” to help you. In fact, like you, they probably read minds and will be early.
LongingSoul said:
There is a difference between being prepared for war and expecting war. In peace time the focus is on sensible security ie ensuring that borders and boundaries are strong and secure. Ensuring that the armed forces are well trained. Ensuring that the police force is significantly authoritative and responsible. That’s where the sense of personal safety and the freedom to live in trust of neighbor and hope for increased peacefulness arise from.
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War is a reality, which you have no response. Every 2-1/2 years.
LongingSoul said:
Arming everyone by arguing that their death or injury is likely, is how someones sense of security is severly eroded. Trust noone. Dispense with the ‘benefit of the doubt’. Act as if you are under mortal threat at all times.
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Your mind is drifting into what you do not know as it has above “Act as if” “arming everyone” is “EXAGGERATION” you sound like this is a psychology 101 case. You can’t read minds your not an authority of any ones behavior here, and frankly you ought to focus on your own “Fears” from what I see[your own fear]. Odd how agenda activists as you always appeal to fear. Turn the news off and put comedy on, it will help you, seriously. Back away from the TV.

At least you skipped the guilt trip, or is that next?
LongingSoul said:
From what I can see, there is a severe lack of faith and trust in the policeforce epitimised by the saying ‘when seconds count, the police are minutes away’. That is a unique take on the value of police that could be examined for its effect on citizens.
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From “what you can see” from this concocted nonsense. Your plan would be dismissed by “ALL” of us without second thought. From what you “assume” is correctly stated and again. The police are always late, that’s a “fact” not a “slight”, a reality. And depending where you are determines “how” late.
LongingSoul said:
Do you see what I’m saying? The mentality that conditions our sense of security or insecurity, influences the human response to a given situation in vastly different ways.
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No I don’t, you are in “fear”. Perhaps you ought to relate about your feelings instead of suggesting what others are.
 
migueltojose said:
If you have it and never need it… great.

If you don’t have it and need it… not so great…

Even if it’s once in a lifetime…

Our world seems pretty safe… but when you look at riots (previous post of the riot in East Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict)… you can see some real sad ugliness from “normal” people in extraordinary circumstances. You never know. Terrorism, gangs, drugs, mobs, etc.

The right to bear adequate arms and the willingness and proficiency to use them if necessary per the CCC referenced above is not only “okay” but a responsibility for those willing and capable.

Those not willing and capable can thank those who are… and stop spouting off their nonsensical, idealistic, politically correct, wrong headed, unrealistic, fairy tale drivel…
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Are you honestly trying to compare private gun owners with public servants who we actually should thank for our protection? Ask the parents in Newtown if they feel thankful toward private gun owner Nancy Lanza. No, your kind of “help” we neither need nor want, so “no thanks”. And please don’t offend the memory of the many policemen who have given their lives by putting them in the same class as private gun owners.
 
migueltojose said:
The right to bear adequate arms and the willingness and proficiency to use them if necessary per the CCC referenced above is not only “okay” but a responsibility for those willing and capable.
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That’s not what the CCC is promoting.

The truth is that the USCCB is weighing in regularly with appeals to restrict gun ownership and tighten regulations. Guns are a scourge in the US. Blind Freddy knows it.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/criminal-justice-restorative-justice/upload/USCCB-Senate-Testimony-Proposals-to-Reduce-Gun-Violence-2013.pdf
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Are you honestly trying to compare private gun owners with public servants who we actually should thank for our protection? Ask the parents in Newtown if they feel thankful toward private gun owner Nancy Lanza. No, your kind of “help” we neither need nor want, so “no thanks”. And please don’t offend the memory of the many policemen who have given their lives by putting them in the same class as private gun owners.
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Ask the Cheshire CT home invasion owner if owing a gun is smart. Read what happened to his wife and daughters. You don’t get to play the guilt-fear card either. And yes I am “honestly” comparing gun ownership of private citizens to police, first responders and everyone else. Why, is that an issue?

And by the way, just so you get this. The dead police don’t top my dead brothers who died for these rights. In fact a good deal of the police are those “who made it”.

Thats why we are keeping the rights, because THOSE good men have been dying for them and historically.

Save your guilt and fear also. You have the “correct” sequence of events confused. The dead in Arlington is where the sequence “starts” Those who died for us for those rights. And most thought like you till reality arrived in the drivers seat…again.
 
LongingSoul said:
That’s not what the CCC is promoting.

The truth is that the USCCB is weighing in regularly with appeals to restrict gun ownership and tighten regulations. Guns are a scourge in the US. Blind Freddy knows it.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/criminal-justice-restorative-justice/upload/USCCB-Senate-Testimony-Proposals-to-Reduce-Gun-Violence-2013.pdf
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Blind freddy isn’t in the article and the USCCB obviously are not saying what you again assume and would like to project in YOUR mind on everyone.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Blind freddy isn’t in the article and the USCCB obviously are not saying what you again assume and would like to project in YOUR mind on everyone.
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I didn’t project anything. The document speaks for itself.

“The Church has been a consistent voice for the promotion of peace at home and around the world and a strong advocate for the reasonable regulation of firearms. Simply put, guns are too easily accessible.”
 
GaryTaylor said:
Ask the Cheshire CT home invasion owner if owing a gun is smart. Read what happened to his wife and daughters. You don’t get to play the guilt-fear card either. And yes I am “honestly” comparing gun ownership of private citizens to police, first responders and everyone else. Why, is that an issue?
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The issue of whether it is smart to own a gun for the protection of your own family is a separate issue upon which I was not commenting. I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that those of us without guns owe thanks to other private gun owners, as if they were true public servants. Such a notion demeans the memory of those who truly deserve that thanks.
And by the way, just so you get this. The dead police don’t top my dead brothers who died for these rights. In fact a good deal of the police are those “who made it”.
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I’m sorry. I don’t understand what that means. I still don’t “get it”.
Thats why we are keeping the rights, because THOSE good men have been dying for them and historically.
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The right to keep guns is just one of many rights that they died to protect. I thank those men mostly for those other rights that also died to protect.
Save your guilt and fear also. You have the “correct” sequence of events confused. The dead in Arlington is where the sequence “starts” Those who died for us for those rights. And most thought like you till reality arrived in the drivers seat…again.
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You will have to write less poetically and more directly if you expect to be understood.
 
LongingSoul said:
I didn’t project anything. The document speaks for itself.

“The Church has been a consistent voice for the promotion of peace at home and around the world and a strong advocate for the reasonable regulation of firearms. Simply put, guns are too easily accessible.”
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You been projecting right along and long before you posted the last article which doesn’t help your case.

Has no solutions, talks incorrectly about assault weapons. And frankly the Church speaks for the percent who are “Catholic” They took God out of the school here. Catholics don’t speak for America. You’ll have to step OUTSIDE that paradigm.

Or would you like to play the guilt card and Church teaching card here AGAIN on what YOU think Catholics are “suppose” to do. It hasn’t worked very well for you BTW!
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The issue of whether it is smart to own a gun for the protection of your own family is a separate issue upon which I was not commenting. I was commenting on the ridiculous notion that those of us without guns owe thanks to other private gun owners, as if they were true public servants. Such a notion demeans the memory of those who truly deserve that thanks.
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The only confusion here is yours…and here. “Are you honestly trying to compare private gun owners with public servants who we actually should thank for our protection?”

Thus my response which as you see you have no response. And I said YES I AM!!!
 
GaryTaylor said:
You been projecting right along and long before you posted the last article which doesn’t help your case.

Has no solutions, talks incorrectly about assault weapons. And frankly the Church speaks for the percent who are “Catholic” They took God out of the school here. Catholics don’t speak for America. You’ll have to step OUTSIDE that paradigm.

Or would you like to play the guilt card and Church teaching card here AGAIN on what YOU think Catholics are “suppose” to do. It hasn’t worked very well for you BTW!
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I was addressing the poster who talked about bearing arms and using them proficiently as per the CCC, and demonstrating that that isn’t the position of the Church. Unfortunately you have assumed I was addressing you.
 
Gary Taylor. A suggestion. Could you check your attitude and try and address people with the respect due the Catholic Apologetics process rather than some rabid pit bull. Thanks.
 
LongingSoul said:
I was addressing the poster who talked about bearing arms and using them proficiently as per the CCC, and demonstrating that that isn’t the position of the Church. Unfortunately you have assumed I was addressing you.
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Frankly I don’t care who you were addressing. I’m addressing YOU! And your incorrect thinking on the Church, and incorrect application to the USA which by large is not Catholic.

You were wrong about Aquinas and you are wrong above.

Is that your way of saying …go away? :rotfl:
 
LongingSoul said:
Gary Taylor. A suggestion. Could you check your attitude and try and address people with the respect due the Catholic Apologetics process rather than some rabid pit bull. Thanks.
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Your not the forum psychologist, sorry you fashion yourself as such. Again, your imagination is running wild on you.

A suggestion, try to stick to the topic, your not a mind reader, your not the Catholic Answers shrink.

And the next insult I will report “pit bull”
 
GaryTaylor said:
The only confusion here is yours…and here. “Are you honestly trying to compare private gun owners with public servants who we actually should thank for our protection?”

Thus my response which as you see you have no response. And I said YES I AM!!!
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Should I thank Nancy Lanza for her service? No, I think on balance, private gun owners have done more harm than they have good. For every instance you can point to of a private gun owner “saving the day” for strangers, I can point to 5 instances of guns of private gun owners being used in the commission of a crime.
 
You all went from misinformation, to projection of fear and guilt, then beating Catholics with what you think is doctrine and Church teaching in a non majority Catholic country, and now to “insults”. 👍

Perhaps I should ask age?
 
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