Are you pro-gun, or anti-gun?

[GaryTaylor]

It is possible to exist in societies that experience crime… and feel relatively secure despite not owning a gun. There is a great deal of comfort in the policy of limiting guns to certain practical uses, even though criminals may steal them and use them in crime. Having an outlook over the bigger picture makes for the best overall policy.

Of course it is, its the right way to look at it and without “fear”. The practical uses’s are all known and have been a very long time. But you still need a plan for a home invasion or an assault and regardless if you choose to use a whistle the phone or a gun.

Criminals, don’t needs guns. They use sticks and stones if need be, evil in not restricted to guns. History proves the point. Evil is not restricted by guns, its been around a very long time. Its affects “people”.

And yes we need to address the bigger picture, which restructure of mental heath and education where violence is prevalent without weapons all together. They pick up the weapons as an extension of their rage, logic and reason left the building by then, only to leave evil in charge.

 

[LongingSoul]

I see. So, your problem isn’t with gun ownership, it’s with theft of guns? I agree; theft is bad. Why is it the fault of the party who has been robbed?

Then again, maybe it’s that your problem isn’t with gun ownership, it’s with irresponsible gun ownership? I agree; gun owners should be responsible. Now – how many firearms are owned in the U.S.? How many incidents of improper handling and/or storage are there, each year? Don’t the statistics show that, overwhelmingly, legal owners of firearms in the U.S. do evidence reasonable, proper handling and storage of their firearms? That being the case… what’s your case, again?

Where do the majority of guns used in crime come from if gun owners have their guns adequately secured?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Where do the majority of guns used in crime come from if gun owners have their guns adequately secured?

The same place the sticks and stones axes, clubs, cars and knifes and everything come from. Can we secure all this also?

OR

Do you think the correctly structured mental heath and education with stop people from picking up sticks and stones, axes’s clubs, assaults with cars and knifes and guns?

 

[Gorgias]

Looters are naturally going to be more heavily armed where guns are so much more easily accessible

The question isn’t whether they’ll be “more heavily armed;” it’s whether they’ll be sufficiently armed to be a threat to human life. By taking away legal access to guns, you’ll only ensure that criminals will have access to them, won’t you? In other words, you’ll be tilting the playing field in favor of the criminal, won’t you?

putting more guns into the community to be accessed for by those with criminal intent

how so? this seems to be an assertion without anything to support it.

 

[LongingSoul]

Of course it is, its the right way to look at it and without “fear”. The practical uses’s are all known and have been a very long time. But you still need a plan for a home invasion or an assault and regardless if you choose to use a whistle the phone or a gun.

Criminals, don’t needs guns. They use sticks and stones if need be, evil in not restricted to guns. History proves the point. Evil is not restricted by guns, its been around a very long time. Its affects “people”.

And yes we need to address the bigger picture, which restructure of mental heath and education where violence is prevalent without weapons all together. They pick up the weapons as an extension of their rage, logic and reason left the building by then, only to leave evil in charge.

Evil has been around a long time. A lot longer than guns. So how are you going to stop this evil that uses guns in an evil way? People use cars in an ‘evil’ way also. That doesn’t mean we make bigger stronger more destructive cars so we have an advantage against ‘evil’ drivers. We make restrictions and controls. Road rules, serious penalties, seat belts, airbags. We could make our cars impenitrable tanks, but that would mean we are also more dangerous to others who happen to be in our path.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Taking guns out of the community will mean they are less accessible to those with criminal intent.

Well we need the sticks and stones axes, clubs, cars and knifes and everything else. Can we secure all this also?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Evil has been around a long time. A lot longer than guns. So how are you going to stop this evil that uses guns in an evil way?

Amen, education and restructure of mental heath. I already told you how many times? I gave you examples of HOW to contend with it AND defined it for you.

 

[LongingSoul]

Well we need the sticks and stones axes, clubs, cars and knifes and everything else. Can we secure all this also?

How many stick murders and stick massacres do you read about? How many vanity selfies do people post holding a stick? There is a vast chasm between the lethal properties of stick and that of a gun.

 

[LongingSoul]

Amen, education and restructure of mental heath. I already told you how many times? I gave you examples of HOW to contend with it AND defined it for you.

It’s not possible without inhumane or unjust measures. People using ice are known to be perfectly normal one minute and feral savages the next. How can you predict the many scenarios that cause psychosis or mental illness without identifying a gene and locking people away based on that?

 

[GaryTaylor]

How many stick murders and stick massacres do you read about? How many vanity selfies do people post holding a stick? There is a vast chasm between the lethal properties of stick and that of a gun.

Pre 9-AD read the recorded horror all done without guns. Not pretty at all. Death by violence is death by violence. Weapons create a sense of less responsibility when they can be used at a disconnected distance, like nuclear. Push the button and go to bed after ice cream.

Statistics are erroneous as they are fixed to agenda orientation. The problems are known.

Do you concede a gun is not an intrinsic evil?

 

[GaryTaylor]

It’s not possible without inhumane or unjust measures. People using ice are known to be perfectly normal one minute and feral savages the next. How can you predict the many scenarios that cause psychosis or mental illness without identifying a gene and locking people away based on that?

You don’t have to identify any gene, only persistent obvious behavior. We did this for decades here. I did it, but you can’t do it with the patients empowered and the therapists restricted. Which is what I have telling you but you don’t want to hear. Thats the turn of events which is NOT working and created the bigger issue in public schools, the DOC and Mental heath.

So you see how from public school it escalates to DOC or mental health such as the California case.

 

[GaryTaylor]

How many vanity selfies

One truly deadly his name is Obama, you seen the self centered vanity yesterday with the Vet incident?

Thats what that was. Until we all see this we will be in denial. I don’t have the key for the denial door.

 

[LongingSoul]

Pre 9-AD read the recorded horror all done without guns. Not pretty at all. Death by violence is death by violence. Weapons create a sense of less responsibility when they can be used at a disconnected distance, like nuclear. Push the button and go to bed after ice cream.

Statistics are erroneous as they are fixed to agenda orientation. The problems are known.

Do you concede a gun is not an intrinsic evil?

A gun is not ‘intrinsically’ evil but it is ‘intrinsically’ deadly. The way something is fashioned, predisposes it to a certain type of use. For example, handguns are more popular for criminal use than a rifle. If you fashion a stick into a switch for smacking naughty schoolboys it holds less lethal mystique than a stick sharpened and honed with a burr. That’s what makes a ‘stick’ legal or illegal.

Opium is not intrinsically evil. It can be made into morphine for the wellbeing of the sick or it can be made into heroin for drug use and dealing dollars. One is legal. The other is not. So even though the material is not intrinsically evil, it can be intrinsically deadly. That’s where the law looks.

 

[LongingSoul]

You don’t have to identify any gene, only persistent obvious behavior. We did this for decades here. I did it, but you can’t do it with the patients empowered and the therapists restricted. Which is what I have telling you but you don’t want to hear. Thats the turn of events which is NOT working and created the bigger issue in public schools, the DOC and Mental heath.

So you see how from public school it escalates to DOC or mental health such as the California case.

But what do you propose to do with the people targeted? Bring back the old fashioned mental asylums? The largest number of gun deaths, 60% are suicides and this can be the result of depression. Hard to diagnose the real degree much of the time, but what is the answer? Just lock up everyone who has depression?

 

[GaryTaylor]

A gun is not ‘intrinsically’ evil .

You admit then rationalize and excuse to re-admit your position which is unrealistic.

After the above five words of TRUTH, came the BUT, after the but is all bull.

 

[LongingSoul]

You admit then rationalize and excuse to re-admit your position which is unrealistic.

After the above five words of TRUTH, came the BUT, after the but is all bull.

Do you think heroin should be legal because opium is not instrinsically evil?

 

[GaryTaylor]

But what do you propose to do with the people targeted? Bring back the old fashioned mental asylums?

You are now appealing to conjecture to minimize a true fix and raise your agenda higher than the cedars. Which is why you suggested Insane Asylums. I linked realistic working proposals and on this thread. You had no response. Only a continued “agenda”.

Anger is not hard to diagnose, in fact its very workable.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Do you think heroin

Start another thread and I’ll tell you what I think about it after working with it for decades. This one is not about dope. Which increased use is directly related to our government which had a prideful self-serving agenda. Now herion users X6 exist thanks to our government. And by large our hands are tied to help also by our government.

 

[LongingSoul]

Start another thread and I’ll tell you what I think about it after working with it for decades. This one is not about dope. Which increased use is directly related to our government which had a prideful self-serving agenda. Now herion users X6 exist thanks to our government. And by large our hands are tied to help also by our government.

You said my argument was wrong because it was ‘bull’. You can’t say that and expect to be taken seriously, surely. If some material is not ‘intrinsically evil’ are you suggesting that it should not be subject to restrictions?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Oh and that same prideful self-serving agenda? Just think “marijuana” and “abortion”.

Where’s the REAL PROBLEM? Our wayward Government is off the beaten path of God and Country.

You can’t be for America and not be for God.