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dogen
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I’m being manipulated by who?
What happend anyway? I thought you said some people just took pictures.
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What happend anyway? I thought you said some people just took pictures.
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dogen
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Was just able to find the picture it seems you’re talking about.
Sure, the lack of trigger discipline pisses me off a bit, but who cares, they can put up a picture if they want.
Sure, the lack of trigger discipline pisses me off a bit, but who cares, they can put up a picture if they want.
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GaryTaylor
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Manipulated by who?
“Worlds biggest special interest groups with a sense of a ‘divine’ mandate.”
Like the Democratic Party led by Obama and the 1% finance supporting his wayward agenda of abortion and gun control. See we can identify those divine groups.
The plan…Kill off the Innocent!
“Worlds biggest special interest groups with a sense of a ‘divine’ mandate.”
Like the Democratic Party led by Obama and the 1% finance supporting his wayward agenda of abortion and gun control. See we can identify those divine groups.
The plan…Kill off the Innocent!
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Yes, Longing, to prevent people from protecting themselves is more that nuts. It is an example of the inmates running the asylum.
It’s just as crazy to prevent a grandmother. living in a rough neighborhood, from protecting herself.
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LongingSoul
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Lol. It’s like the Godwins Law of gun debates. Instead of every discussion leading back to Hitler… it leads back to a little old lady.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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LOL…so little old ladies don’t deserve self protection?Lol. It’s like the Godwins Law of gun debates. Instead of every discussion leading back to Hitler… it leads back to a little old lady.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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I don’t find it funny.Lol. It’s like the Godwins Law of gun debates. Instead of every discussion leading back to Hitler… it leads back to a little old lady.
It is absolutely correct to note that the Nazis took guns from the Jews and this made killing them later that much easier. Kristallnacht was in part a gun raid. You may feel that it makes more sense to prevent another Sandy Hook than another Auschwitz. But don’t pretend this is an invalid concern solely because someone mentions Hitler and that is somehow out of bounds. Don’t invoke Godwin’s Law here.
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LongingSoul
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The way the world rightly deals with preventing these madmen like Hitler, is to invest in their **real **well regulated militia. Great Britian and Allies jumped in head first with their well regulated militias when Hitler marched into Poland. That’s what well regulated militias are for.
The little old lady card is ridiculous. Little old ladies can’t be deemed well regulated militia men. They don’t care about the vulnerable children in schools as they buy a gun. They want a gun for themselves. If you really want to make the analogy work, why not round up all these little old lady with firearms skill, who are retired and sitting around playing Candy Crush and watching day time television and form them into well regulated militia guarding schools. Get the able bodies pensioners of which their are many, and turn to to good use in this gun rich environment. It’s useless arming the teachers from inside these institutions. How would that have won the war against Hitler. You have to form boundary defenses and go on offensives.
To me that makes much more sense than arming every possible person whilst trying to predict a madman and locking him away on the strength of that prediction.
There are many under utilised people within the gun rich environment who could very well be serving this sensible purpose of visible defense as a true ‘well regulated militia’ round those vulnerable institutions like schools and universities.
Do the gun lobbies really think that standards set 250 years ago in war conditions where muskets and cannons were the weapons of choice… are really suitable for the conditions of today where the immediately foreseeable enemy are fellow citizens with criminal intent and super weapons?
Think of Dad’s Army. Make them the Mum’s Army and your problems are solved.
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Annie39
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I don’t accept Goodwin’s law. I believe that if the shoe fits wear it. Hitler prohibited Jews from owning guns. Many countries including Britain and Australia have such restrictive laws that most of their law abiding citizens are left defenseless. Criminals by definition are lawless and have no problem getting guns for their nefarious deeds. If I remember correctly Australia’s gun problem is greater than Britain’s though. I am one of those grandmothers who is glad that she is allowed to have the means of self protection. I consider those who want to disarm me to be heartless and cruel. Zoltan, I see you live in CA. You might like it here in AZ we are just a hop skip and a jump from CA.
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Annie39
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Oh wow. I know L.S. has put me on the ignore list but I still have to comment. Please note the distain she has for older women. As a 70 year old grandmother I think I qualify as one of those women she dislikes so much. I wonder if she likes her mom or is it mum in AU. “Little old ladies can’t be deemed well regulated militia men. They don’t care about the vulnerable children in schools as they buy a gun. They want a gun for themselves. As if older women are worth nothing. If you really want to make the analogy work, why not round up all these little old lady with firearms skill, who are retired and sitting around playing Candy Crush and watching day time television and form them into well regulated militia guarding schools.
She is accusing us of not caring for vulnerable children when many of those little ones are related to me in fact 2 of them are my grandchildren. And the other children I don’t know are some people’s grandchildren. She dismisses us as sitting around playing “Candy Crush” (what’s that?) and watching day time TV. Funny thing, I was just wondering why on earth this middle aged woman has all the time in the world to go on and on and on about another country besides her own. I wonder, if like me the children’s grandmother has to care for her kids because she can’t be bothered. I think by the time a person’s children are grown that person should be able to take a little time for herself but this is not always possible and in this day and age many grandparents are forced to take over some or all of the raising of the next generation.
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She is accusing us of not caring for vulnerable children when many of those little ones are related to me in fact 2 of them are my grandchildren. And the other children I don’t know are some people’s grandchildren. She dismisses us as sitting around playing “Candy Crush” (what’s that?) and watching day time TV. Funny thing, I was just wondering why on earth this middle aged woman has all the time in the world to go on and on and on about another country besides her own. I wonder, if like me the children’s grandmother has to care for her kids because she can’t be bothered. I think by the time a person’s children are grown that person should be able to take a little time for herself but this is not always possible and in this day and age many grandparents are forced to take over some or all of the raising of the next generation.
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migueltojose
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Just reading this thread illustrates the importance of bill of rights.
There are too many people who think they know what is best for everyone and want to tell everyone how to live. That is against the bill of rights. Against freedom of choice. Against free will (Holiest of Holy’s).
I can’t help but think of that movie - “Annie Get Your Gun”
I haven’t owned one since I was 24. I got a .22 rifle for my 18th birthday and gave it to my brother on his 18th birthday.
Yet, I am very pro-gun… 2nd amendment, the constitution, liberty, freedom, free will… independence mobility and the all American Dream.
When I want one I want to be able to get one. Any kind, anytime, without anyone knowing. If they know, they can chase me down and confiscate it. I don’t like that. My business is none of the government’s business.
Government’s proliferate. It’s what they do. Don’t do anything to encourage them.
There are too many people who think they know what is best for everyone and want to tell everyone how to live. That is against the bill of rights. Against freedom of choice. Against free will (Holiest of Holy’s).
I can’t help but think of that movie - “Annie Get Your Gun”
I haven’t owned one since I was 24. I got a .22 rifle for my 18th birthday and gave it to my brother on his 18th birthday.
Yet, I am very pro-gun… 2nd amendment, the constitution, liberty, freedom, free will… independence mobility and the all American Dream.
When I want one I want to be able to get one. Any kind, anytime, without anyone knowing. If they know, they can chase me down and confiscate it. I don’t like that. My business is none of the government’s business.
Government’s proliferate. It’s what they do. Don’t do anything to encourage them.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Firstly you have no concept of what a militia is.
The Militia Act of 1792 which provided, in part:
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That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, ... every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock....U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311
a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
As you can see the militia consists of “able bodied CITIZENS”
The Militia is NOT an army.
The term “well regulated” meant well trained in the days of our founding. This is why an army consisted of “regulars” (they were trained) During our Revolution, British “Regulars” fought against American Militia in many battles.
Great Britain and the allies did not send “their well regulated militias” to fight Hitler. They sent what was left of their ARMIES.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
It should be very obvious to anyone that since PEOPLE comprise the militia, PEOPLE (individual citizens, not collective) must be able to exercise their right to bear arms.
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or self defense. There never was any question about people being able to defend themselves and hunting was taken for granted.
“[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” ― James Madison
Thanks Mr Madison. One more little thing that makes Americans exceptional
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Thank you for the invite Annie. I like Arizona, beautiful state. But my work here in the People’s Republic of California is not done. As soon as I can free this state from the yoke of liberal thought and policies I just may consider Arizona for Retirement.I don’t accept Goodwin’s law. I believe that if the shoe fits wear it. Hitler prohibited Jews from owning guns. Many countries including Britain and Australia have such restrictive laws that most of their law abiding citizens are left defenseless. Criminals by definition are lawless and have no problem getting guns for their nefarious deeds. If I remember correctly Australia’s gun problem is greater than Britain’s though. I am one of those grandmothers who is glad that she is allowed to have the means of self protection. I consider those who want to disarm me to be heartless and cruel. Zoltan, I see you live in CA. You might like it here in AZ we are just a hop skip and a jump from CA.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Maybe I should not have mentioned “grandmothers” and avoided all the fuss. Maybe I should have said “women”.
“Guns are our friends because in a country without guns, I’m what’s known as “prey.” All females are.” ― Ann Coulter
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Annie39
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You: I can’t help but think of that movie - “Annie Get Your Gun”
Ha-ha since I read the above quote I can’t get the song “Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you” out of my head. My hubby says it’s called a worm.
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Estevao
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anti-gun people are not anti-gun, they are all for the government and police being armed to the teeth, they are anti you, the hoi polloi, owning a gun.
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Annie39
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“Maybe I should not have mentioned “grandmothers” and avoided all the fuss. Maybe I should have said “women”.’
Oh Zoltan that’s okay. It gave me a chance to vent. I know that there are problems in the good old US of A and I don’t mind criticism even from people of other countries. But it does get under my skin when someone who is a citizen of another country with at least as many problems as those here constantly drones on and on about what that person dislikes about it and tells us how we should clean things up. IMHO there is something slightly pathological about this.
Another thing I love being a member of the older crowd. I have mentioned my age several times in the forums. I’m bragging. It’s a much better time of life than I expected so as a rule if someone says something derogatory about senior citizens I just laugh.
“Guns are our friends because in a country without guns, I’m what’s known as “prey.” All females are.” ― Ann Coulter
And she is right. As I see it from my vantage point, when we are preyed on as younger people it is for one thing but when we are older and appear weaker we are another kind of prey.
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Annie39
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I understand Zoltan. I lived in CA from about two years old until last September. I can’t tell you how much I miss many things about California. I grew up on the beach but for many years lived in the IE while living there our second home almost was Laguna Beach. If all goes well we will be spending a few days in Dana Point this month. Life is a series of tradeoffs so enjoy your beautiful coast.
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LongingSoul
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Sadly putting someone on your ignore list doesn’t shield you from others who quote their toxic drivel. Annie39 is someone I’d rather avoid altogether.
Zoltan, the grandmothers/old ladies card is a common one in the ‘guns are good’ debate and I used it in a satirical way to make a point. It’s wasn’t a personal attack against old ladies but a generlisation addressing a generalisation. There was no fuss. Just one of those unfortunate people that likes to stir up trouble for personal sport. They like to make scandal where there is none and take offense when none was given to goad others to be as venomous as they are.
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LongingSoul
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The Allied armies were in big part made up of conscripts. They were the able bodied men you describe. Women were not called, but perhaps by the next war involving the US, women will be called with the same obligation as men since they have become part of the militia? I for one would fight that policy to the death.
Why do people keep quoting it to justify self defense guns then?
When you say Americans are ‘exceptional’… what do you mean? In what sense are Americans exceptional over the rest of the world?
Also by the accusation that other ‘governments are afraid to trust the people with arms’ are you implying by default that the *US government *trusts US citizens with arms or some other body of governance is doing that trusting?
Also, do you feel that your perspective is representative of all conservative US citizens?
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