Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice

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I know we have many conservative Catholics and Protestants as well as many Liberal Catholics and Protestants on this board.

So the question is, are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only
  3. Pro-Life Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only
  6. Pro-Choice Both
 
BTW, this is not a public poll, so who chooses what will not be displayed as in people will not be able to see what choice you have selected.
 
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only - Against Abortion
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only - Against Death Penalty
  3. Pro-Life Both - Against Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only - For Abortion
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only - For Death Penalty
  6. Pro-Choice Both - For Both
 
The death penalty, permitted under Catholic moral teaching, has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-life.

To claim otherwise is to fall into the liberal and pro-abortion trap of obscurring the real issue. In addition, those who subscribe to joining these two unrelated moral issues mis-state Catholic teaching.

Finally, it uses this false thinking to convince faithful Catholic to vote for pro-Abortion candidates because they often favor restricting or eliminating the death penalty.

The death penalty is a matter of prudential judgment. It is not a life issue like abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, or homosexual marriage or homosexual adoption.

Note this thread.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=134752
 
firstmode said:
I know we have many conservative Catholics and Protestants as well as many Liberal Catholics and Protestants on this board.

So the question is, are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only
  3. Pro-Life Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only
  6. Pro-Choice Both
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A Catholic MUST be pro-life.
The death penalty has nothing to do with pro-life or pro abortion. Catholics are free to support or oppose the death penalty.
 
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only
  3. Pro-Life Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only
  6. Pro-Choice Both
I’M PRO-LIFE Against Abortion and the Death Penalty.

Curious; Where in Official Catholic Moral Teaching does it state that the Death Penalty is Permissible ?
 
centurionguard said:
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only
  3. Pro-Life Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only
  6. Pro-Choice Both
I’M PRO-LIFE Against Abortion and the Death Penalty.

Curious; Where in Official Catholic Moral Teaching does it state that the Death Penalty is Permissible ?
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CCC 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
 
If you’re going to equate abortion with the death penalty, then let’s start by giving the to-be-aborted baby all the legal rights and protections given to those subject to the death penalty. Wouldn’t that be a different world!
 
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
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I am pro-death penalty for the cases described above.I think a good example of these kinds of cases are people like the Nazis in the Neuremberg trials. They absolutely could not be contained as their political power could cause such unrest that they could still cause harm to others even from prison. Certain dictators ordering genocide today are the same way. This is my opinion.

God bless,
 
thistle said:
CCC 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
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Yeah, on stuff like this, I just look at the CCC.

I just seperate my personal feelings about what I think terrible criminals should get as punishment.
 
I answered that i’m prolife abortion only. I didn’t see an option for euthanasia presented, and i’m gravely against euthanasia.

I’d like to clarify my response in not being outright opposed to the death penalty:
violence in prisons is often rampant. Many times this leads to conflicts which result in the loss of life of inmates. Further, for some gang leaders, they can direct crimes including murder even from prison. I don’t support the death penalty for those who will most likely serve out their terms and never commit another crime or who may live out life sentences in prison without continuing in their violence. However, for those who are likely to never repent of violent acts and who pose a legitimate danger to guards and other inmates, as an act of defense against violence, said people could be put to death. In my mind I see that the same as if someone were to draw a firearm on me: i have a right to defend life, even if that means taking the life of the instigator of violence.
 
VociMike said:
If you’re going to equate abortion with the death penalty, then let’s start by giving the to-be-aborted baby all the legal rights and protections given to those subject to the death penalty. Wouldn’t that be a different world!
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Amen! I agree. Trust me, I am very much against abort. I am also somewhat against the Death penalty because I would rather people stay locked up their entire life until old age with the thought that they may come to know Christ one day through prison ministries.

Also, I do feel that the death penalty could lead to a false execution. That is terrifying.
 
centurionguard said:
  1. Pro-Life Abortion Only
  2. Pro-Life Death Penalty Only
  3. Pro-Life Both
  4. Pro-Choice Abortion Only
  5. Pro-Choice Death Penalty Only
  6. Pro-Choice Both
I’M PRO-LIFE Against Abortion and the Death Penalty.

Curious; Where in Official Catholic Moral Teaching does it state that the Death Penalty is Permissible ?
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priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
  1. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
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VociMike said:
If you’re going to equate abortion with the death penalty, then let’s start by giving the to-be-aborted baby all the legal rights and protections given to those subject to the death penalty. Wouldn’t that be a different world!
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Let’s start by giving the same right to appeal an abortion as to appeal a death sentence. Through that process, an inmate may sit on death row for YEARS before execution.

I think if the two are equivalent then maybe the baby should have the same legal process which would prevent their abortion for years (until after they were born 🙂 )

actually, I like that idea. Let’s equate the two and end abortion through the application of the legal appeals process.
 
Through my eyes, both abortion and the death penalty show how weak we are as individuals and as a society.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
rpp said:
The death penalty, permitted under Catholic moral teaching, has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-life.

To claim otherwise is to fall into the liberal and pro-abortion trap of obscurring the real issue. In addition, those who subscribe to joining these two unrelated moral issues mis-state Catholic teaching.

Finally, it uses this false thinking to convince faithful Catholic to vote for pro-Abortion candidates because they often favor restricting or eliminating the death penalty.

The death penalty is a matter of prudential judgment. It is not a life issue like abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, or homosexual marriage or homosexual adoption.

Note this thread.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=134752
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While what you say is true, there are those who believe that the death penalty is wrong. In the USA, there is no reason why we could not keep a person in prison and totally isolated for the rest of his/her natural life…thereby not having to kill him/her.
I think that in this country it is murder. The reason it is not intrinsically evil is that there are other places and circumstances…which today in the USA do not exist…which could not protect society from a criminal so dangerous to society. So the Church states that in those circumstances, the death penalty is acceptable.
 
VociMike said:
If you’re going to equate abortion with the death penalty, then let’s start by giving the to-be-aborted baby all the legal rights and protections given to those subject to the death penalty. Wouldn’t that be a different world!
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Oh, if only we could do so!!! Let’s pray.
 
Jesus_N_Cherie said:
While what you say is true, there are those who believe that the death penalty is wrong. In the USA, there is no reason why we could not keep a person in prison and totally isolated for the rest of his/her natural life…thereby not having to kill him/her.
I think that in this country it is murder. The reason it is not intrinsically evil is that there are other places and circumstances…which today in the USA do not exist…which could not protect society from a criminal so dangerous to society. So the Church states that in those circumstances, the death penalty is acceptable.
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As I said, supporting or rejecting the death penalty is a matter of prudential judgment (though it is not murder), it is not a moral issue. Faithful Catholics are free to disagree.

Abortion is NOT a matter of prudential judgment and is a grave and intrinsic evil. Faithful Catholic must reject abortion.

Thus, there is no connection between being “pro-life” and a person’s stance on the death penalty.
 
06convert said:
Yeah, on stuff like this, I just look at the CCC.

I just seperate my personal feelings about what I think terrible criminals should get as punishment.
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Correct. It isn’t about us meeting out justice or revenge…for that belongs to God alone. Our feelings cannot determine our decisions or actions in such cases.

That sounds heartless, but it isn’t in all actuality.
 
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