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What would be a good response when you are asked by a Protestant** “Are You Saved”**
 
“Yes”

It is a pretty simple question after all.

The follow up questions is then, “Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.”

The answer to that one should be “Yes” as well.

That is all protestant evangelists want to hear. And hopefully we are all on board:thumbsup:

Now church structure, spirituaity, theology, leadrship, etc we part company.
 
What To Say

“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I *will be *saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation

Whenever I get into a discussion regarding salvation I like to immediately cut to the chase and bring up going to Heaven or inheriting the Kingdom of God. Saying something like, " Having been saved is important, but my true hope is to go to Heaven."
This immediately dissects a major difference between Catholics and many non-Catholics: Is there a difference between going to Heaven and being saved? Catholics rightly believe there is, many non-Catholics do not. They erroneously equate being saved with going to Heaven which is both Scripturally and theologically erroneous.
 
Yes through my baptism I’m saved from sin and death but I must work on my salvation daily with fear and trembling just because I’m saved doesn’t mean I don’t have to worry about hell. There are plenty or people in scripture who found christ then turned away
 
I always say “Yes, 2000 years ago on a hill near Jerusalem, how about you?” and when they ask (inevitably) if I was “Born Again” I say “Yes, in the Spirit and the Water just like John 3 says, when I was Baptized, how about you?”
 
jasperg357 said:
What would be a good response when you are asked by a Protestant** “Are You Saved”**
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I always say: “No, but I am redeemed and like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling. (Phil. 2:12) for, as you know, we will all be judged, as the Bible shows in many places and like the apostle Paul, I do not want to be tried on that day and found wanting. Therefore I must run the race to the best of my ability as God gives me the grace to do so.”

Thinking one is saved, without regard to one’s sins is a sin in itself, called presumption. I fear many souls have been and will be lost by reliance on this heresy.
 
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What would be a good response when you are asked by a Protestant** “Are You Saved”**
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I am saved, I am being saved, and I hope to be saved. This is solidly Catholic and Biblical. (Like there’s a difference. :rolleyes:)

Here’s the scoop:

Salvation as a past event

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. (Ephesians 2:4-5)

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Salvation as an ongoing activity

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. (Philippians 2:12-13)

Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:8-9)

Salvation as a future event

And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. (Romans 13:11)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. (1 Corinthians 3:12-15)

When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 5:4-5)

**A general summary of salvation, highlighting its past, present and future dimensions, would go something like this: “Salvation is a process that begins when a person first becomes a Christian, continues for the rest of his life, and is completed when he stands before God in judgment.” This summary allows the faithful Christian to do justice to all of the biblical data by saying, in faith and hope, “I have been saved, I am being saved, I will be saved.” It embraces all three dimensions of salvation that are present in the Bible.
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Justification as an ongoing process

In Genesis, we read: “Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.” (Genesis 15:6)

Commenting on this passage, the Apostle Paul wrote:

“What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’ “ (Romans 4:1-3)

If justification is a one-time event as many Protestants claim it to be, then Abraham could not receive justification either before or after this event in Genesis 15:6. However, the Bible states he did both.

First, consider this passage:

“By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.” (Hebrews 11:8)

The subject of Hebrews 11 is saving faith as can be seen from the opening verses: “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for.” (Hebrews 11:1-2) One is not commended for one’s faith unless it is saving faith. Therefore, the faith that Abraham is commended for in Hebrews 11:8 must be saving faith. But when did Abraham have this saving faith? It was “when called to go to a place he would later receive” and he “obeyed and went”.

The problem for the once-for-all view of justification is that the call of Abraham to leave Haran is recorded in Genesis 12:1-4, three chapters before he is justified in Genesis 15:6. From this, we see that Abraham was justified before, years before, he was justified in Genesis 16:6.

But that’s not all. James tells us:

“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.” (James 2:21-23 KJV)

The account of the testing of Abraham is found in Genesis 22 which is well after Genesis 15:6.

We see, therefore, that Abraham was justified on at least three different occasions: Genesis 12, when he left Haran in faith; in Genesis 15, when he believed God’s promise concerning his descendants; and in Genesis 22, when he offered his son, Isaac, on the altar. As a result, justification must be seen, not as a once-for-all event, but as a process that continues throughout the believer’s life.

Adapted from The Salvation Controversy by James Akin.
 
Philthy said:
What To Say

“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I *will be *saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation

Whenever I get into a discussion regarding salvation I like to immediately cut to the chase and bring up going to Heaven or inheriting the Kingdom of God. Saying something like, " Having been saved is important, but my true hope is to go to Heaven."
This immediately dissects a major difference between Catholics and many non-Catholics: Is there a difference between going to Heaven and being saved? Catholics rightly believe there is, many non-Catholics do not. They erroneously equate being saved with going to Heaven which is both Scripturally and theologically erroneous.
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Agreed but I know what the non-Catholic is getting at 😉
 
jasperg357 said:
What would be a good response when you are asked by a Protestant** “Are You Saved”**
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AM I SAVED? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! I’m still alive. I’m redeemed because Jesus died for my sins but can can still lose salvation. — This opening line usually leaves them so speechless that you can then , gently, tell what is necessary to gain salvation.
 
Philthy said:
What To Say

“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I *will be *saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation

Whenever I get into a discussion regarding salvation I like to immediately cut to the chase and bring up going to Heaven or inheriting the Kingdom of God. Saying something like, " Having been saved is important, but my true hope is to go to Heaven."
This immediately dissects a major difference between Catholics and many non-Catholics: Is there a difference between going to Heaven and being saved? Catholics rightly believe there is, many non-Catholics do not. They erroneously equate being saved with going to Heaven which is both Scripturally and theologically erroneous.
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Great response.
Mary.
 
jasperg357 said:
What would be a good response when you are asked by a Protestant** “Are You Saved”**
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I think Protestants don’t understand the difference between redeemed and saved.
We were not saved by Christ’s death on the cross. We were redeemed and given the opportunity to be saved.
 
Randy_Carson said:
I am saved, I am being saved, and I hope to be saved. This is solidly Catholic and Biblical.
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Randy is 100% correct. Salvation is a process; past, present and future. This is authentic Catholic teaching and it is what those who wrote the scriptures believed.

I have been saved through baptism…

He who believes and is baptized will be saved; (Mark 16:16)

but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3:4-5)

Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, (1 Peter 3:21)

I am being saved now through faith…

**And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” ** (Luke 7:50)

And it shall be that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Acts 2:21)

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 18)

I will be saved in the future by cooperating with grace…

Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)

But he who endures to the end will be saved. (Matthew 24:13)

But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will (Acts 15:11)

If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:15)

Salvation is a process for people who believe in the Bible…

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (Phillipians 2:12)

-Tim-
 
JRRTFAN said:
I always say: “No, but I am redeemed and like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling. (Phil. 2:12) for, as you know, we will all be judged, as the Bible shows in many places and like the apostle Paul, I do not want to be tried on that day and found wanting. Therefore I must run the race to the best of my ability as God gives me the grace to do so.”

Thinking one is saved, without regard to one’s sins is a sin in itself, called presumption. I fear many souls have been and will be lost by reliance on this heresy.
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Rom 2 2b. For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth,
Rom 2: 6. *Who will render to every man according to his works:
Rom 2: 11 *For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2: 13 *For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2: 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
 
I would say, “By whose definition? If yours, where all I have to do is believe and confess Jesus Christ as Lord, then yes, I am. If by the Bible’s definition, then I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved.”
 
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