Are you still considered Catholic if you leave?

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Please cite a Catholic source that says Protestants are not Christians
 
Chritians are followers of Christ. How can you say you are following Christ when you reject the Church in which he founed. There is no authority with these other faith based communities and everyone is his own pope interpreting scripture as they see fit. Chist did NOT say to St Peter, upon this rock I will build my church’s there is only One God and only One Church. There are not different versions of Christianity in Heaven. If Protestants make it to Heaven it will in spite of their false religion, not because of it.
 
Because for the Lord to deny his children’s souls saving grace because their sincerely held beliefs, (albiet contrary to our true Mother) Mother Church, would be cruel. My Lord is not a cruel one
 
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Please understand. I am not condemning them that is for God to decide. St. Francis of Assisi says if you are outside of the Catholic Church you are doomed ans that includes the majority of Catholics today. St. Paul says, work our your salvation in fear and trembling. It is not enough to just attend Mass on Sunday, but we must become Holy by way of Sanctifying Grace through the Sacraments. Christ said, be Holy as my Father in Heaven is Holy. We must strive (struggle) to enter through the narrow gate. For wide and easy is the path that leads to damnation and many are on it.
 
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Nicky777 said:
Please understand. I am not condemning them that is for God to decide. St. Francis of Assisi says if you are outside of the Catholic Church you are doomed ans that includes the majority of Catholics today. St. Paul says, work our your salvation in fear and trembling. It is not enough to just attend Mass on Sunday, but we must become Holy by way of Sanctifying Grace through the Sacraments. Christ said, be Holy as my Father in Heaven is Holy. We must strive (struggle) to enter through the narrow gate. For wide and easy is the path that leads to damnation and many are on it.
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You’re not condemning people but you invoke the saints to support condemnation? Regardless, I can agree that even people attending Mother Church every week can be condemned. So there’s that.

Now regarding Protestants not being Christian, following your logic from your secondary argument regarding condemnation…even Mother Church’s children could be considered un-Christian?!
 
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The count in those stats virtually always comes from self-identification.

I know of no polls where the number of Catholics is calculated from the number of all validly baptized Christians.
 
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No, protestants are not Christians. Hence the word protest-ant one who protests.
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Just because Protestants have their own denominations, it doesn’t make them any less Christian than Catholics. They most certainly are Christians!
 
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His baptism leaves an indelible mark on his soul for all Eternity. But, he is no longer Christian because Catholics are the original Christians
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Wrong. If the OP’s friend is no longer a Christian, it’s because he no longer believes in Christ and has renounced Jesus and Christianity.

It’s not because Catholics are the original Christians.
 
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The count in those stats virtually always comes from self-identification.

I know of no polls where the number of Catholics is calculated from the number of all validly baptized Christians.
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That is incorrect. If you check out this thread, back when there was an Ask an Apologist section on CAF, I got a response from Father Charles Grondin. He said the number for the Annuarium Statisticum Ecclesiae (the yearbook of the Church) is based on the number of baptized Catholics, not the number of self-identified Catholics. Most articles, especially in Catholic media, will quote statistics from the yearbook but will far less often note that the numbers are not self-identified. By not nothing that most people are going to naturally assume this is the number of self-identified, and therein lies the deception (intentional or not).

What’s more there is a problem in knowing when to say a baptized Catholic has passed on. The numbers of Catholic baptisms are rigorous while there is far less rigor in counting deaths. A person who has fallen away from Catholicism isn’t going to have family notify the Church of his death. Even those who remain Catholic may not be taking off the rolls if they don’t have a Catholic funeral. The Church then has to make rough estimates as to how many of their members may have died.

Yes, places like the Pew Forum poll people to get accurate counts of self-identified Catholics; but neither the Chruch nor some in the media use these polls.
 
A bit strange, yes. When I was much younger and more active on some atheist/agnostic social groups/forums there was a trend of people trying to get their baptism records erased (should be said that the members weren’t Catholics but had been baptised as infants). Or a formal declaration they are no longer members. Probably the closest thing you can do if it works (well, the idea sort of died out once it become clear it involves a lot of bureaucracy but worth to try if you want this).

On the other hand, I think we were already considered “outsiders” at that point so this was mostly to erase it from formal documents/statistics.
 
Nicky777 said:
Please understand. I am not condemning them that is for God to decide. St. Francis of Assisi says if you are outside of the Catholic Church you are doomed ans that includes the majority of Catholics today. St. Paul says, work our your salvation in fear and trembling. It is not enough to just attend Mass on Sunday, but we must become Holy by way of Sanctifying Grace through the Sacraments. Christ said, be Holy as my Father in Heaven is Holy. We must strive (struggle) to enter through the narrow gate. For wide and easy is the path that leads to damnation and many are on it.
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Nicky777 I urge you to seek guidance from you pastor and/or the CCC for clarifications of your citations. Taking them out of context is not becoming of a Catholic.

Since the church accepts the baptisms of protestant denominations as valid I submit the following:

CCC 738-739
738 Thus the Church’s mission is not an addition to that of Christ and the Holy Spirit, but is its sacrament: in her whole being and in all her members, the Church is sent to announce, bear witness, make present, and spread the mystery of the communion of the Holy Trinity (the topic of the next article):
All of us who have received one and the same Spirit, that is, the Holy Spirit, are in a sense blended together with one another and with God. For if Christ, together with the Father’s and his own Spirit, comes to dwell in each of us, though we are many, still the Spirit is one and undivided. He binds together the spirits of each and every one of us, . . . and makes all appear as one in him. For just as the power of Christ’s sacred flesh unites those in whom it dwells into one body, I think that in the same way the one and undivided Spirit of God, who dwells in all, leads all into spiritual unity.133

739 Because the Holy Spirit is the anointing of Christ, it is Christ who, as the head of the Body, pours out the Spirit among his members to nourish, heal, and organize them in their mutual functions, to give them life, send them to bear witness, and associate them to his self-offering to the Father and to his intercession for the whole world. Through the Church’s sacraments, Christ communicates his Holy and sanctifying Spirit to the members of his Body. (This will be the topic of Part Two of the Catechism.)
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CCC 790-791
790 Believers who respond to God’s word and become members of Christ’s Body, become intimately united with him: "In that body the life of Christ is communicated to those who believe, and who, through the sacraments, are united in a hidden and real way to Christ in his Passion and glorification."220 This is especially true of Baptism, which unites us to Christ’s death and Resurrection, and the Eucharist, by which "really sharing in the body of the Lord, . . . we are taken up into communion with him and with one another."221

791 The body’s unity does not do away with the diversity of its members: "In the building up of Christ’s Body there is engaged a diversity of members and functions. There is only one Spirit who, according to his own richness and the needs of the ministries, gives his different gifts for the welfare of the Church."222 The unity of the Mystical Body produces and stimulates charity among the faithful: "From this it follows that if one member suffers anything, all the members suffer with him, and if one member is honored, all the members together rejoice."223 Finally, the unity of the Mystical Body triumphs over all human divisions: "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."224
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Granted! not ALL protestant denominations fall into this category. If you research the different denominations that do and do not fit the criteria you will see it is all in the proper baptism.

Peace!!!
 
Ah yes their (protestants) baptism is valid however they are following a false doctrine. My council comes fom the early fathers of the true Church. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. You should know this as Practicing Catholic. Study St. Saint Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine writings. They both speak about it. God love you.
 
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laylow said:
The Catholic church has admitted (correct me if I’m wrong) to the systematic cover-up of child abuse by priests in numerous parts of the world. This would classify them as a criminal organization. A person may wish to no longer have their name associated with such an organization.
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That’s like saying a person wishes to no longer be associated with the human race because of what some humans around the world did. There are thousands of diocese around the world and each bishop is responsible for his local flock. Hold responsible those who committed the crimes and covered them up, but don’t use it as an excuse to play the holier-than-thou card.
 
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Ah yes their (protestants) baptism is valid however they are following a false doctrine.
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That doesn’t mean they aren’t Christians. It just means they’re wrong about some stuff.

Would you acknowledge that the Orthodox are Christians, since they have valid sacraments?
 
Nicky777 said:
Ah yes their (protestants) baptism is valid however they are following a false doctrine. My council comes fom the early fathers of the true Church. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. You should know this as Practicing Catholic. Study St. Saint Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine writings. They both speak about it. God love you.
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…and everything that has been referenced or quoted here by the multitude, opposing your viewpoint, does not opposed the doctrine “no salvation outside the Catholic Church”. Since you are greatly out numbered on this forum by other Catholics, i urge you once again to please check with your pastor/bishop. If either of these agree with your viewpoint you will have grounds of church scandle and will make international news.

Peace!!!

Edit: i will be at RCIA retreat all day. Check back in later.:pray:t3:
 
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Anybody who is Baptized In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is baptized Catholic. Weather they grow up practicing that faith is a different story.
 
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