Aren't protestants following tradition too?

[Brandall]

Calling Mary “co-redemptrix” causes a similar impedance for most Lutherans when trying to find common ground with Rome. While the term doesn’t mean that Mary literally died for our sins, it makes many Lutherans uncomfortable. Not a perfect comparison, but maybe that helps?

Some of the terminology of the CC sounds very far off base until you research what it really means. The “co-redemptrix” really threw me until I researched it and found out what was meant by that.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Some of the terminology of the CC sounds very far off base until you research what it really means. The “co-redemptrix” really threw me until I researched it and found out what was meant by that.

Good deal

“Know what you hate and know what you think you hate”

 

[aidanbradypop]

I believe the “symbolic Eucharist” is a tradition of many non Catholic denominations that I cannot wrap my head around. Even when I was Baptist, it seemed that they were not living by what Scripture stated.

John 6 22-59

 

[steido01]

Some of the terminology of the CC sounds very far off base until you research what it really means. The “co-redemptrix” really threw me until I researched it and found out what was meant by that.

Precisely.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

I believe the “symbolic Eucharist” is a tradition of many non Catholic denominations that I cannot wrap my head around. Even when I was Baptist, it seemed that they were not living by what Scripture stated.

John 6 22-59

Depends on the tradition in question, I suppose. Part of the problem is the language that is used. “Symbolic” in modern culture does not have the same force of meaning that it had in ancient and Hebrew cultures. So using that term now can cause a minimalization of substance where it is not intended.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Depends on the tradition in question, I suppose. Part of the problem is the language that is used. “Symbolic” in modern culture does not have the same force of meaning that it had in ancient and Hebrew cultures. So using that term now can cause a minimalization of substance where it is not intended.

The Baptist pastor I grew up hearing on Sunday stated during communion once a month. " This is the symbolic body and blood of Christ…let us eat it in memory of him." So how can symbolic mean anything by simply symbolic here? They do not believe it to be the true body and blood of Christ but merely a symbolic gesture. In John 6 Christ clearly states that his flesh is the bread of life. He tells at the Last Supper to eat the bread (His flesh). You either believe that or in the symbolic reference. The tradition in question would be the man made tradition that it is not the true Body and Blood of Christ.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

The Baptist pastor I grew up hearing on Sunday stated during communion once a month. " This is the symbolic body and blood of Christ…let us eat it in memory of him." So how can symbolic mean anything by simply symbolic here? They do not believe it to be the true body and blood of Christ but merely a symbolic gesture. In John 6 Christ clearly states that his flesh is the bread of life. He tells at the Last Supper to eat the bread (His flesh). You either believe that or in the symbolic reference. The tradition in question would be the man made tradition that it is not the true Body and Blood of Christ.

Sure…but the thing here in the case of your former pastor is that Baptist theology in America has been heavily influenced by 2 major things. Revivalism and American gnostic spirituality. This was not always so. I would encourage you to research early Baptist writings on it, if you ever have the inclination. You will get a much different picture on what the terms symbolic mean.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Sure…but the thing here in the case of your former pastor is that Baptist theology in America has been heavily influenced by 2 major things. Revivalism and American gnostic spirituality. This was not always so. I would encourage you to research early Baptist writings on it, if you ever have the inclination. You will get a much different picture on what the terms symbolic mean.

GB…if you believe that the Eucharist is merely bread and grape juice and not the True Body and Blood, they you are saying that it is a symbolic gesture. Right or wrong?

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

GB…if you believe that the Eucharist is merely bread and grape juice and not the True Body and Blood, they you are saying that it is a symbolic gesture. Right or wrong?

We use wine. I don’t believe changing the elements of communion is anything we have a right to do. At any rate. No, it is not merely a symbolic gesture. I do not believe the elements “change” into anything else. Beyond that, I do not make any metaphysical assertions other than to say about it what Paul says about it. It is a koinonia with the body and blood of Christ. I would type a longer explanation but am running back and forth right now.

 

[aidanbradypop]

We use wine. I don’t believe changing the elements of communion is anything we have a right to do. At any rate. No, it is not merely a symbolic gesture. I do not believe the elements “change” into anything else. Beyond that, I do not make any metaphysical assertions other than to say about it what Paul says about it. It is a koinonia with the body and blood of Christ. I would type a longer explanation but am running back and forth right now.

The problem that we are running into is that with each congregation can preach what they feel needs to be preached. My great grandfather was a SB minister and my grandfather was as well for a bit. They often disagreed on a lot of issues. Many of their traditions will place them at odds with one another and leaves holes in their unity.

 

[Gaelic_Bard]

The problem that we are running into is that with each congregation can preach what they feel needs to be preached. My great grandfather was a SB minister and my grandfather was as well for a bit. They often disagreed on a lot of issues. Many of their traditions will place them at odds with one another and leaves holes in their unity.

Though it may be true that they can preach what they want, there’s going to be mostly unanimity in a denomination. I’m not Southern Baptist so I can’t really speak for them.

 

[Nicea325]

Depends on the tradition in question, I suppose. Part of the problem is the language that is used. “Symbolic” in modern culture does not have the same force of meaning that it had in ancient and Hebrew cultures. So using that term now can cause a minimalization of substance where it is not intended.

So Jesus was teaching the Eucharist was merely symbolic? How odd many took offense to what Jesus said about His body and blood (symbolic) a term you claim was “forceful” in ancient Hebrew cultures?

 

[Tomster]

Though it may be true that they can preach what they want, there’s going to be mostly unanimity in a denomination. I’m not Southern Baptist so I can’t really speak for them.

Mostly?

 

[aidanbradypop]

Though it may be true that they can preach what they want, there’s going to be mostly unanimity in a denomination. I’m not Southern Baptist so I can’t really speak for them.

A Southern Baptist pastor is the “pope” of his congregation. I say “his” because like the Catholic Church and a few others, they do not ordain women. Funny how we never hear cries from the media about that.

I remember when I was attending services, we often had Sunday morning services about “How the Catholics are going to Hell.” Much like CARNS, they believe they are the true Church of Christ. There are issues within the SBC. Some remain pure to the Free Grace Theology will others are more in line with the Lordship Salvation Theology. I have noticed that they are kind of splitting. Have you heard about this?

 

[askbilly]

Now most protestants say that Catholics follow traditions but aren’t they themselves following traditions for instance,

Lutheran’s are following Luther’s interpretation of the bible
Calvinists following his interpretation of the bible
Ulrich Zwingli, Theodore Beza etc

What are your thoughts?

that was the problem that Jesus said – that the religion of his days were following traditions that were man made-- but “justified” by the leaders–

just like the roman catholic religion and the protestant – when they develop ceremonies that are establisehed because of scripture intreperation–

or of the well – meaning and control of the bishop or the Leader of the religion–

but how does the traditions of man made ceremony-- make “void” the Word of God and that tradition? – that’s what i wonder

 

[joe370]

Now most protestants say that Catholics follow traditions but aren’t they themselves following traditions for instance,

Lutheran’s are following Luther’s interpretation of the bible
Calvinists following his interpretation of the bible
Ulrich Zwingli, Theodore Beza etc

What are your thoughts?

Even the practice of sola scriptura is a tradition, found nowhere in the holy bible.

 

[Luth123]

Even the practice of sola scriptura is a tradition, found nowhere in the holy bible.

Depends how one wants to interpret the Bible.

Read John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Since the human Jesus is no longer walking on this earth our ONLY path to the Father is our Bible thus only scripture is the path… sola scriptura

 

[joe370]

Depends how one wants to interpret the Bible.

Read John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Since the human Jesus is no longer walking on this earth our ONLY path to the Father is our Bible thus only scripture is the path… sola scriptura

Deduction… However, the practice sola scritpura is found nowhere within the pages of scripture, just as the assumption of Mary is not. Since the human Jesus is no longer walking on this earth our ONLY path to the Father is via His Church, perhaps, or is that one not an option?

 

[aidanbradypop]

Depends how one wants to interpret the Bible.

Read John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Since the human Jesus is no longer walking on this earth our ONLY path to the Father is our Bible thus only scripture is the path… sola scriptura

Yeah this makes no sense. Sorry.

Scripture is a wonderful part of our faith and Christian foundation. To stop there is to cheat yourself out of so much.

John 14:6 in no way defends Sola Scriptura.

 

[Luth123]

Deduction… However, the practice sola scritpura is found nowhere within the pages of scripture, just as the assumption of Mary is not. Since the human Jesus is no longer walking on this earth our ONLY path to the Father is via His Church, perhaps, or is that one not an option?

Oh it certainly is. Just keep in mind His Church are all the members who believe which will have many Catholics , but is not the Catholic church.