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Bartolome_Casas
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The current 5 Non-Negotiables is a list of acts that are intrinsic evils according to the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church.
These are the intrinsic evils on the current 5 Non-Negotiables list:
(1) Abortion
(2) Euthanasia
(3) Embryonic Stem Cell Research
(4) Human Cloning
(5) Homosexual “marriage”
Some Catholics recommend using this list as a guide for voting for political candidates and political parties.
The current 5 Non-Negotiables are viewed as a valid “test” of the morality of a candidate or party because all of the acts on the list are intrinsic evils, which means that they are serious moral evils and can never be moral in any degree or in any situation.
I think they are called “Non-Negotiable” because a moral person in a legislature cannot/should not engage in “horse trading” over intrinsic evils with other issues that are not intrinsic evils.
For example, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never or should never agree to vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia as a tactic to get another legislator to vote for a bill to fund the construction of a bridge in the district he represents. Rather, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never under any circumstances vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia, and would never vote against a bill that re-criminalizes Euthanasia (in a situation in which it had already be legalized).
I just see one little problem with all of this, and, as far as I can see, the problem is not little, it is HUGE.
The problem is that current federal and state law in the U.S. already makes legal the following 8 intrinsic evils.
The Other 8 Non-Negotiables are:
(1) No-fault divorce and remarriage.
(2) Sale and use of birth control devices (in addition to the intrinsic evil of intentional contraception, birth control pills cause the intrinsic evil of abortion a certain percentage of the time, even if the users don’t know it).
(3) Pornography production, distribution, viewing and possession.
(4) Adultery.
(5) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting heterosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(6) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting homosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(7) Prostitution (Prostitution is legal in State of Nevada. Thus, clearly, the U.S. Constitution does NOT forbid prostitution, and at any time in the future any state could legalize it. President Lincoln argued for the 13th Amendment to the Constitution by saying that as long as slavery was legal in any state and legal under the U.S. Constitution, it would eventually spread to all the states.)
(8) Blasphemy.
All 8 of those intrinsic evils above were formerly illegal in the laws of the U.S. states and/or the U.S. federal government.
These 8 intrinsic evils were made legal (and made widespread) in the U.S.A. by bills passed by legislators that repealed the former legal prohibitions. All this happened mainly since the 1960s. For most of U.S. history, these things were illegal.
Therefore, legislators could—and should–pass new bills that restore the traditional legal code that makes these 8 intrinsic evils illegal once again.
Given the grave harm done to souls, families and societies, a valid “test” for the morality of a legislator or candidate for the legislature, or for an organized party of legislators and candidates, would be whether they pledge to never vote the for those 8 Non-Negotiables in addition to the 5 Non-Negotiables currently being used for this purpose.
Yet, we never heard anything about these Other 8 Non-Negotiables. No one recommends that the morality of candidates or legislators or parties by judged by these Other 8 Non-Negotiables.
Why?
It can’t be because the 5 Non-Negotiables are all about the direct killing of innocent human life, since the 5 Non-Negotiables contains Homosexual “Marriage,” which doesn’t kill anyone.
Surely the legalization of birth control devices, and the legalization of no-fault divorce and remarriage have done at least as much harm to souls, families, and souls as the legalization of gay marriage. Yet, those intrinsic evils don’t make the list of the 5 Non-Negotiables that some people circulate at election time.
Why?
Who came up with this list of “the 5 Non-Negotiables”? For what reason? Why did thy omit all these other intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government regulation?
I know that for several years I WAS MISLED. Like many others, I used the 5 Non-Negotiables list to evaluate candidates. I thought these were the only intrinsic evils at stake. But, thanks to the Catechism, and the Vatican web site, I’ve learned more.
At the very least, should not Catholics be informed that there are MORE than 5 intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government legislation? Doesn’t BASIC HONESTY call for that?
But, even better, should we not start using the 13 NON-NEGOTIABLES to evaluate candidates at election time?
I don’t see this as a matter of politics. I see this as a matter of Catholics really knowing and seeing what is moral and what is immoral, what is an intrinsic evil and what is not an intrinsic evil. I think we Catholics are in danger of being misled by cynical, amoral people greedy for political power. As a Catholic Answers Forum moderator for this sub-forum has written:
“Rather, we ought to sentire cum ecclesia, to “think with the Church.” This means that we must not only believe the Creeds and declarations of the ecumenical councils and the infallible pronouncements of the Holy Father, but that we must also hold to the common sentence of the approved theologians.”
These are the intrinsic evils on the current 5 Non-Negotiables list:
(1) Abortion
(2) Euthanasia
(3) Embryonic Stem Cell Research
(4) Human Cloning
(5) Homosexual “marriage”
Some Catholics recommend using this list as a guide for voting for political candidates and political parties.
The current 5 Non-Negotiables are viewed as a valid “test” of the morality of a candidate or party because all of the acts on the list are intrinsic evils, which means that they are serious moral evils and can never be moral in any degree or in any situation.
I think they are called “Non-Negotiable” because a moral person in a legislature cannot/should not engage in “horse trading” over intrinsic evils with other issues that are not intrinsic evils.
For example, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never or should never agree to vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia as a tactic to get another legislator to vote for a bill to fund the construction of a bridge in the district he represents. Rather, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never under any circumstances vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia, and would never vote against a bill that re-criminalizes Euthanasia (in a situation in which it had already be legalized).
I just see one little problem with all of this, and, as far as I can see, the problem is not little, it is HUGE.
The problem is that current federal and state law in the U.S. already makes legal the following 8 intrinsic evils.
The Other 8 Non-Negotiables are:
(1) No-fault divorce and remarriage.
(2) Sale and use of birth control devices (in addition to the intrinsic evil of intentional contraception, birth control pills cause the intrinsic evil of abortion a certain percentage of the time, even if the users don’t know it).
(3) Pornography production, distribution, viewing and possession.
(4) Adultery.
(5) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting heterosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(6) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting homosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(7) Prostitution (Prostitution is legal in State of Nevada. Thus, clearly, the U.S. Constitution does NOT forbid prostitution, and at any time in the future any state could legalize it. President Lincoln argued for the 13th Amendment to the Constitution by saying that as long as slavery was legal in any state and legal under the U.S. Constitution, it would eventually spread to all the states.)
(8) Blasphemy.
All 8 of those intrinsic evils above were formerly illegal in the laws of the U.S. states and/or the U.S. federal government.
These 8 intrinsic evils were made legal (and made widespread) in the U.S.A. by bills passed by legislators that repealed the former legal prohibitions. All this happened mainly since the 1960s. For most of U.S. history, these things were illegal.
Therefore, legislators could—and should–pass new bills that restore the traditional legal code that makes these 8 intrinsic evils illegal once again.
Given the grave harm done to souls, families and societies, a valid “test” for the morality of a legislator or candidate for the legislature, or for an organized party of legislators and candidates, would be whether they pledge to never vote the for those 8 Non-Negotiables in addition to the 5 Non-Negotiables currently being used for this purpose.
Yet, we never heard anything about these Other 8 Non-Negotiables. No one recommends that the morality of candidates or legislators or parties by judged by these Other 8 Non-Negotiables.
Why?
It can’t be because the 5 Non-Negotiables are all about the direct killing of innocent human life, since the 5 Non-Negotiables contains Homosexual “Marriage,” which doesn’t kill anyone.
Surely the legalization of birth control devices, and the legalization of no-fault divorce and remarriage have done at least as much harm to souls, families, and souls as the legalization of gay marriage. Yet, those intrinsic evils don’t make the list of the 5 Non-Negotiables that some people circulate at election time.
Why?
Who came up with this list of “the 5 Non-Negotiables”? For what reason? Why did thy omit all these other intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government regulation?
I know that for several years I WAS MISLED. Like many others, I used the 5 Non-Negotiables list to evaluate candidates. I thought these were the only intrinsic evils at stake. But, thanks to the Catechism, and the Vatican web site, I’ve learned more.
At the very least, should not Catholics be informed that there are MORE than 5 intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government legislation? Doesn’t BASIC HONESTY call for that?
But, even better, should we not start using the 13 NON-NEGOTIABLES to evaluate candidates at election time?
I don’t see this as a matter of politics. I see this as a matter of Catholics really knowing and seeing what is moral and what is immoral, what is an intrinsic evil and what is not an intrinsic evil. I think we Catholics are in danger of being misled by cynical, amoral people greedy for political power. As a Catholic Answers Forum moderator for this sub-forum has written:
“Rather, we ought to sentire cum ecclesia, to “think with the Church.” This means that we must not only believe the Creeds and declarations of the ecumenical councils and the infallible pronouncements of the Holy Father, but that we must also hold to the common sentence of the approved theologians.”