Argentina formally recognizes SSPX as part of the Catholic Church - at the request of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires

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  • That according to Protocol N. 084/15, of February 23, 2015, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Mario Aurelio Cardinal POLI, requests that the “FRATERNITY OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS AND MARY” (PRIESTLY FRATERNITY OF SAINT PIUS X) be held, up to the moment in which it finds its definitive juridical framing within the Church Universal, as an Association of Diocesan Right, according to what is established by canon 298 of the Code of Canon Law, being in fieri [henceforth and in the meantime] a Society of Apostolic Life, with all the benefits that correspond to it, and complying with all obligations to which the same refers, also accepting all responsibilities that belong to the diocesan Prelate.
That to the aforesaid fraternity be accredited its character as a public juridical person within the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH, according to the norms of the Code of Canon Law.
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Does this signal an imminent doctrinal and canonical rapprochement between Rome and the SSPX? It would not seem so, from SSPX Superior-General Bp. Bernard Fellay’s qualification that this favor was solicited to ease the visa and residency problems of SSPX members assigned to Argentina. The SSPX could easily have obtained, as almost every other confession, state recognition in Argentina if it had requested recognition as a separate body, for merely civil law purposes, which the SSPX refused to request – what is important is that this demonstrates both the SSPX’s resolve not to be an independent Church, not to be seen as outside the Catholic Church; and, evidently, Rome’s recognition that the SSPX is essentially Catholic.

But Cardinal Poli’s attitude (which could not have reasonably taken place without the full knowledge and approval, and probably even direct participation, of the man who made him archbishop and cardinal) is relevant precisely because, in the eyes of the Argentine Republic, the details of full, or partial, or incomplete, or irregular communion are irrelevant. This Priestly Fraternity, the Society of Saint Pius X, is part of the Catholic Church in the State law in a Republic in which the Church is closely linked to the State, period. Good for the Cardinal, for Pope Francis (who was obviously involved in this decision), and for the Society in Argentina.

This counters the allegation that the SSPX is outside of the Catholic Church and in schism.
 
Well – It seems to me – that any notice of the integration of any SSPX group would be coming from the ones in charge – the Vatican Commission set up for this purpose.
 
As Fellay said in the interview right up… This is largely an administrative announcement to ease the management of visa’s for the society.

Ideally, the SSPX will someday come back to the Church
 
Walking_Home said:
Well – It seems to me – that any notice of the integration of any SSPX group would be coming from the ones in charge – the Vatican Commission set up for this purpose.
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Well, that’s interesting too, as any personal prelature, as has been reportedly offered, could still be blocked by the local bishop, chapels sold, etc. So it seems bishops would definitely be part of any equation that fully unites the FSSPX with the Church.
 
giuseppeTO said:
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/04/argentina-formally-recognizes-sspx-as.html"
  • That according to Protocol N. 084/15, of February 23, 2015, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Mario Aurelio Cardinal POLI, requests that the “FRATERNITY OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS AND MARY” (PRIESTLY FRATERNITY OF SAINT PIUS X) be held, up to the moment in which it finds its definitive juridical framing within the Church Universal, as an Association of Diocesan Right, according to what is established by canon 298 of the Code of Canon Law, being in fieri [henceforth and in the meantime] a Society of Apostolic Life, with all the benefits that correspond to it, and complying with all obligations to which the same refers, also accepting all responsibilities that belong to the diocesan Prelate.
That to the aforesaid fraternity be accredited its character as a public juridical person within the ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH, according to the norms of the Code of Canon Law.
*

Does this signal an imminent doctrinal and canonical rapprochement between Rome and the SSPX? It would not seem so, from SSPX Superior-General Bp. Bernard Fellay’s qualification that this favor was solicited to ease the visa and residency problems of SSPX members assigned to Argentina. The SSPX could easily have obtained, as almost every other confession, state recognition in Argentina if it had requested recognition as a separate body, for merely civil law purposes, which the SSPX refused to request – what is important is that this demonstrates both the SSPX’s resolve not to be an independent Church, not to be seen as outside the Catholic Church; and, evidently, Rome’s recognition that the SSPX is essentially Catholic.

But Cardinal Poli’s attitude (which could not have reasonably taken place without the full knowledge and approval, and probably even direct participation, of the man who made him archbishop and cardinal) is relevant precisely because, in the eyes of the Argentine Republic, the details of full, or partial, or incomplete, or irregular communion are irrelevant. This Priestly Fraternity, the Society of Saint Pius X, is part of the Catholic Church in the State law in a Republic in which the Church is closely linked to the State, period. Good for the Cardinal, for Pope Francis (who was obviously involved in this decision), and for the Society in Argentina.

This counters the allegation that the SSPX is outside of the Catholic Church and in schism.
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This is something you need to ask someone that knows a lot more about it than we do. You could get all kinds of confusing answers here. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
This is something you need to ask someone that knows a lot more about it than we do. You could get all kinds of confusing answers here. God Bless, Memaw
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This is arguably the most intelligent post I have seen in a long time. Not that it will stop, or even slow down, confusing answers here (maybe including mine).
 
vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/poli-40351/

Buenos Aires, Poli secures state recognition for Society of St. Pius X

The Cardinal Archbishop gives the go-ahead for Lefebvrians to be registered by the government as a “diocesan association”. The secretary of Ecclesia Dei: “Another sign of good will from the Church, but there’s still work to be done before full communion”

ANDREA TORNIELLI, VATICAN CITY

The Argentinian branch of the Society of St. Pius X, which has its seminary in La Reja, forty kilometres from the capital Buenos Aires, has obtained recognition from the government as “an association of diocesan right”. The recognition came thanks to Cardinal Mario Aurelio Poli, Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s successor as the head of the diocese of Buenos Aires.

In the official Resolution of the Republic of Argentina, it is written that at the request of Cardinal Poli, the State concedes the recognition of association of diocesan right to the “Fraternity of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary” (Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X) and recognises that this association be accredited as a public juridical person within the Catholic Church, according to the norms of the Code of Canon Law.

Archbishop Poli had made a request to the competent authority that the Fraternity of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (which according to its approved statutes is a priestly society of common life without vows) be considered, up to the moment in which it finds its definitive juridical framing within the Church Universal, as an Association of Diocesan Right, according to what is established by canon 298 of the Code of Canon Law. The cardinal’s request has permitted the Fraternity’s the inscription in the Registry of the juridical persons recognized by ecclesiastical authority, with its legal residence registered at 1318 Calle Venezuela. It is not secret that the then Cardinal Bergoglio had tried to assist the Society of St. Pius X in the same way. Now his successor has picked up the baton, and it is difficult to image that he made this decision without Francis’ knowledge.

(Read the rest there)
 
McCall1981 said:
vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/poli-40351/

Buenos Aires, Poli secures state recognition for Society of St. Pius X

The Cardinal Archbishop gives the go-ahead for Lefebvrians to be registered by the government as a “diocesan association”. The secretary of Ecclesia Dei: “Another sign of good will from the Church, but there’s still work to be done before full communion”

ANDREA TORNIELLI, VATICAN CITY

The Argentinian branch of the Society of St. Pius X, which has its seminary in La Reja, forty kilometres from the capital Buenos Aires, has obtained recognition from the government as “an association of diocesan right”. The recognition came thanks to Cardinal Mario Aurelio Poli, Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s successor as the head of the diocese of Buenos Aires.

In the official Resolution of the Republic of Argentina, it is written that at the request of Cardinal Poli, the State concedes the recognition of association of diocesan right to the “Fraternity of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary” (Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X) and recognises that this association be accredited as a public juridical person within the Catholic Church, according to the norms of the Code of Canon Law.

Archbishop Poli had made a request to the competent authority that the Fraternity of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (which according to its approved statutes is a priestly society of common life without vows) be considered, up to the moment in which it finds its definitive juridical framing within the Church Universal, as an Association of Diocesan Right, according to what is established by canon 298 of the Code of Canon Law. The cardinal’s request has permitted the Fraternity’s the inscription in the Registry of the juridical persons recognized by ecclesiastical authority, with its legal residence registered at 1318 Calle Venezuela. It is not secret that the then Cardinal Bergoglio had tried to assist the Society of St. Pius X in the same way. Now his successor has picked up the baton, and it is difficult to image that he made this decision without Francis’ knowledge.

(Read the rest there)
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This is a huge step.

There’s an SSPX Parish two miles from where I live I would love to attend.
 
There is a hardline group of priests headed by Bishop Williamson who have left the SSPX because of negotiations between the Vatican and the SSPX.
 
There’s another new thread, same topic.

Argentina formally recognizes SSPX as part of the Catholic Church - at the request of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires
by: giuseppeTO
 
From what I have read, this had more to do with the Priests being able to stay in country. Still, considering the location, and the Archbishop approving this, perhaps mercy is already flowing. I will continue to pray for normalization and full communion for the Society. Disunity is never a good thing.
 
Pulvis said:
From what I have read, this had more to do with the Priests being able to stay in country. Still, considering the location, and the Archbishop approving this, perhaps mercy is already flowing. I will continue to pray for normalization and full communion for the Society. Disunity is never a good thing.
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From the comments over on Fr.Z’s blog, it seems as if the SSPX is now working diocese by diocese. It makes sense since whatever they agree to with the Vatican, it wouldn’t do much good if the local bishop doesn’t wish their presence there.

Fr Z’s article: www.wdtprs.com/blog/2015/04/interesting-sspx-development-in-buenos-aires/
 
It gives the SSPX recognition as part of the Catholic Church, as if it were a normal Association of Diocesan Right. Helps with the national income tax, immigration status of priests of foreign origin, etc. The wording is that the archbishop is requesting this until the SSPX’s juridical situation in the Church can be cleared up.

Ecclesia Dei’s head is positive about it, although he points out that this doesn’t clear up any of the larger issues, or involve the Holy See. It’s local.

But it is a good and charitable thing for Archbishop Poli of Buenos Aires to do, and it sounds like it’s a continuation of some earlier favors done by his predecessor, Archbishop Bergoglio. 🙂
 
Could someone please explain to me why there are those here that are so worried about the SSPX when the Church did, literally, nothing wrong to this group that places its views ahead of all other concerns? :cool:
 
From the article

Vatican Insider asked Bishop Guido Pozzo to comment, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, responsible for official dialogue with the Society. “I’m pleased they have found this solution in Argentina, which, I must stress, did not involve the Holy See. It does not mean that St. Pius X has the juridical recognition as a clerical society. The question of the legitimacy of the exercise of the sacerdotal ministry of their priests remains open. But it is certainly another sign of good will towards this society by the Catholic Church.”

“With his decision”, continued Pozzo, “Ordinary of Buenos Aires recognises that the members of the Society are Catholics, even if they are not yet in full communion with Rome. We continue to work towards full communion and the juridical framing of the Society in the Catholic Church”

Yes they are still Catholics, but they are not in full communion with the Church. SSPX priests still do not have authorization from Rome to minister.

**" To quote Pope Benedict: In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church."
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For more information see: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=949430
 
Mintaka said:
It gives the SSPX recognition as part of the Catholic Church, as if it were a normal Association of Diocesan Right. Helps with the national income tax, immigration status of priests of foreign origin, etc. The wording is that the archbishop is requesting this until the SSPX’s juridical situation in the Church can be cleared up.
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I think setting up the Fraternity of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary gives it canonical status separate from the FSSPX. Similar, I suppose, to the FSSP, which also are an offshoot of the FSSPX. But I could be wrong. Good to know they are of some benefit to the diocese, though.
 
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