Argh! Why must some priests mislead?

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So my Catholic co-worker informed me this week that at the place she celebrated Mass last Sunday, the priest spent his homily informing people that “There’s no such thing as purgatory” and that “Beliefs ought to come from the pew, not the pulpit.” Ugh! I fail to understand why, if this man feels so strongly about these kinds of beliefs, he doesn’t just go hang out at the Protestant church down the street (it’s a free country, after all). In the meantime, the typical poorly catechized Catholic goes home from Mass on Sunday saying, “Wow, I didn’t know the Church changed its belief on that!” Seriously, why do men become priests in the first place if they don’t really believe in the Church’s teachings??

(FYI–I have been to this same church on occasion. On my last visit, I didn’t particularly appreciate this priest’s jokes near the end of Mass, nor his practice of putting unconsecrated hosts at the door for each person to pick up and take inside before Mass–it was unexpected and confusing for us as visitors, not to mention somewhat unsanitary, and it struck us as just a wee bit irreverent.)
 
The devil desires to sift like wheat, that’s why lies within the Church remain. Most people do not know that true doctrine comes from the Magisterium, and this rogue priest is causing scandal. Bishops should crack down on this, and I think your co-worker should report this priest.
 
Truths don’t come from the pulpit or the pews but from God’s truth.
We owe our priests prayers, the wise and faithful priests, as well as those who get caught up in their own subjective opinions that undermine Catholic belief and practice.
 
Father, do not permit Your priests to merit the curse of ‘he who gives scandal to Your little ones’. Where others are damaged or disillusioned by Your minister’s offence, please grant repentance and pardon, or exoneration. Heal anyone wounded by his fault, sin, omission, misjudgement or misfortune.
 
Sometimes there is a disconnect between what the Priest said and what the person in the pew heard. I’d suggest your friend ask her Priest to clarify what he said in the homily.
 
bflochica5 said:
(FYI–I have been to this same church on occasion. On my last visit, I didn’t particularly appreciate this priest’s jokes near the end of Mass, nor his practice of putting unconsecrated hosts at the door for each person to pick up and take inside before Mass–it was unexpected and confusing for us as visitors, not to mention somewhat unsanitary, and it struck us as just a wee bit irreverent.)
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Can you explain this a little more? Does everyone put the hosts into a ciborium during the offertory or do they hold it up during the consecration? That sounds disgusting both in terms of reverence and sanitariness!
 
Some parishes have unconsecrated hosts in a container, there are little tongs and each person who plans to recieve is to place one unconsecrated host in the appropriate place. This permits the Priest to consecrate enough for those participating, but, eliminates a large number of hosts placed in reserve in the Tabernacle.
 
Such beliefs among many priests is common and has been for a long time. It is neither new nor particularly unusual. You will also find that generally speaking they do not believe in the existence of Hell, which is seen as primitive, of punishment, and of judgement because as they are fond of saying Gid doesn’t judge me, of the divinity of Christ, the Virgin birth, both inventions of the early Church to lure pagans in with a man/god having attributes they were familiar with, the Immaculate Conception that Christs death was salvific, instead proclaiming it to be mere martyrdom, in the Holy Trinity or in any of the miracles attributed to Jesus.

We see the last particularly in the torturous ways they try to assign rational explanations to the various miracles and remove anything miraculous from them,

In essence what they believe in is not Catholicism but liberal Christianity with a few Catholic trappings. They have reduced Christianity to:
The Historical accuracy of the man Jesus
The dignity of mankind
The importance of love
Ethics

It sounds like this priest is possibly in that group.
 
kage_ar said:
Some parishes have unconsecrated hosts in a container, there are little tongs and each person who plans to recieve is to place one unconsecrated host in the appropriate place. This permits the Priest to consecrate enough for those participating, but, eliminates a large number of hosts placed in reserve in the Tabernacle.
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Wow, I’ve never heard of that before. :confused:
 
twosweetgirls said:
Wow, I’ve never heard of that before. :confused:
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I have seen this done, except with a spoon…and except the faithful don’t “take” the host anywhere. They simply transfer however many hosts their group will be consuming from a plate into the chalice, which is later brought up with the gifts. This has been on a table at the back of the church, not out in the hall.
 
twosweetgirls said:
Wow, I’ve never heard of that before. :confused:
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We do that at daily Mass in our parish. The unconsecrated hosts are placed in a pottery bowl and then those of us who will be receiving Holy Communion place the host in a gold bowl. Then, during the offertory, the bowl full of unconsecrated hosts and the wine cruet are taken up to the celebrants. Visiting priests get a little weirded out with this. The big problem is that daily Mass in our parish is not celebrated in the church, but in the cry room to the side.

As far as the teachings of the Church are concerned, the priest needs prayer. Dogmas and doctrines of the Church aren’t optional beliefs. You need to believe them.
 
bflochica5 said:
So my Catholic co-worker informed me this week that at the place she celebrated Mass last Sunday, the priest spent his homily informing people that “There’s no such thing as purgatory” and that “Beliefs ought to come from the pew, not the pulpit.” … Seriously, why do men become priests in the first place if they don’t really believe in the Church’s teachings?
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If this can be verified, the pastor of the parish should be informed. Failing that, the bishop should be informed.
 
japhy said:
If this can be verified, the pastor of the parish should be informed. Failing that, the bishop should be informed.
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I used to attend a Parish where a priest often said things which I did not like. On one occasion he told us to feel free to see the movie “The Da Vinci Code” and to enjoy it and I said aloud “No - I will NOT!” A couple of weeks before he said it was a good thriller!!!

When we left that Parish a lot of people knew why and I hope he changed his tune.

I think we should be able to complain to the Bishop when Priests behave like that.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I have seen this done, except with a spoon…and except the faithful don’t “take” the host anywhere. They simply transfer however many hosts their group will be consuming from a plate into the chalice, which is later brought up with the gifts. This has been on a table at the back of the church, not out in the hall.
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I said appropriate place, not to mean they were traipsing around with the unconsecrated hosts. I’ve seen the appropriate place be a chalice, a bowl, etc.
 
bflochica5 said:
“There’s no such thing as purgatory” and that “Beliefs ought to come from the pew, not the pulpit.”
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That’s the most ironic homily I’ve ever heard!

If beliefs don’t come from the pulpit, than the parishioners shouldn’t believe what the priest is saying - hence, they should believe in purgatory.
 
Seatuck said:
No the priest is the celebrant. The laity assist or participate.
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There was a time when Doctors would give the patients an injection and say take these pills and sent them on their way.

In today’s world it is different - Doctors know tht their patients are well informed (at least many of them) and they need to give an explanation, they need to explain to the patients about the need for certain procedures and even in some cases suggest tht the patient might want to seek a 2nd opinion.

Similarly the priests have to be careful what they say as the congregation is better catechised. I have questiond things said from the pulpit. I ask for explanations. The priest doesn’t mind - in fact, he welcomes it.

If I were in such a parish I would say “Excuse me” and walk out and hope that others would do likewise.

🙂
 
Cinette said:
There was a time when Doctors would give the patients an injection and say take these pills and sent them on their way.

In today’s world it is different - Doctors know tht their patients are well informed (at least many of them) and they need to give an explanation, they need to explain to the patients about the need for certain procedures and even in some cases suggest tht the patient might want to seek a 2nd opinion.

Similarly the priests have to be careful what they say as the congregation is better catechised. I have questiond things said from the pulpit. I ask for explanations. The priest doesn’t mind - in fact, he welcomes it.

If I were in such a parish I would say “Excuse me” and walk out and hope that others would do likewise.

🙂
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Not getting the connection between my post and your comment. Can you help me here? I was responding to the post that said the people celebrate. We do not. We participate or assist at Mass. The priest is the celebrant.
 
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