Arguing About Abortion

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That’s the point, if no one can prove their claim then the argument or hypothesis is rejected in favor of the null.

The guy that advocates the null gets to be right by default unless you can prove he’s wrong.

Apply this to theistic arguments-

The guy that argues that the existence of a god is uncertain - the classic agnostic - is right by default. He espouses uncertainty.

The classic atheist and classic theists, however, make claims that require evidence. They do not get to be right by default.
 
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There are two claims made by the Scottish writer, philosopher, David Hume. In this thread, not the Scottish philosopher , exemplified one, and rejected the other.
 
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Sure, I’ll agree that there’s a conflict between mother and fetus.
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It’s just for reasons I’ve identified on both sides of the birth canal several times, the only rational tie breaker is that mom gets to choose.
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Friend, how is this rational? One human killing another isn’t rational. You don’t know what does and doesn’t have the capacity for reason and free will. Your making a claim. You have put yourself in the position of making that determination. Where is your proof?

Someone in a persistive vegetative state is also in this condition, and some “wake up”. Some people have decided that they get to determine what a soul is, if someone else has one, and therefore assign their value. That’s beyond our capability. And despite what a few scientists would say there us not test for a soul. Your claiming that you know what a child does and doesn’t want and what what it dies and doesn’t have the capacity for. How do you know this? Where is the proof?

Near death experiencers often report that they have vivid life changing experiences that are clearly not a dream. I’ve seen one who had this while he was “brain dead”. By your theory of capacity that should not have been possible. His recovery was also impossible.

Your right about some things. But your extrapolating that into logical leaps which simply can’t be made.
You’ve defaulted to a “liberty is the null” which you have defined. But then you deny that liberty to the child.

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“Well then I’ll defend it!”
What gives you the right? Why is your opinion more binding than mine or the mother’s own, especially when it comes to what happens in her body?
Moreover, why do you think it wants to live? Again, it biologically lacks the capacity for “want”. And if it could want, how do you know the fetus would choose life?
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What gives anyone the right? Do we accept child abuse simply because “we can’t say anything”…

Why do you think the child doesnt want to live? Why is your opinion more binding that anyone else’s? Including the child’s?
 
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Why do you think the child doesnt want to live? Why is your opinion more binding that anyone else’s? Including the child’s?
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The child doesn’t want anything at that point because it’s no more capable of wanting than your kidney is capable of wanting. It has no agency. None.

Mom, on the other hand, does. And she has the inherent right to avoid danger.

So what I think doesn’t matter. What you think doesn’t matter.

What she thinks matters.
 
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The child doesn’t want anything at that point because it’s no more capable of wanting than your kidney is capable of wanting. It has no agency. None.
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You don’t know this. Consciousness isn’t really definable as of yet. But even if it were and you were correct, that doesn’t give anyone the right to kill a child any more than they could kill a child in a coma.
 
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The child doesn’t want anything at that point because it’s no more capable of wanting than your kidney is capable of wanting. It has no agency. None.
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People that are sleeping are incapable of that too.
 
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