Arguing with a friend about Obamacare

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Medicare is far from free. Yes, it is true that we don’t pay a premium for Medicare Part A, which is the hospital insurance. That was covered by working all of those years and paying the Medicare Tax. Part B costs around $100 per month per person, which is taken out of our meager Social Security checks every month. That’s $100 for myself and $100 for my husband. In addition, we need some private insurance to make up for what Medicare doesn’t cover. This costs us a few hundred a month more. I think we paid something in the neighborhood of $6,000 in insurance premiums last year.

Then there were the huge co-payments for our pills, because some of them don’t exist in generic form yet. All in all, we paid more than 7.5 percent of our income on medical insurance and other expenses.

Then why do I love it so much? Because they can’t cancel us!!! We would be living on the street right now if we had to pay for the various surgeries we had to have in the past several years.

On the contrary, I do care about young people. It doesn’t seem fair that I had to wait until I was 65 years old to get wonderful coverage like this. It bothers me when younger people have to have their homes foreclosed because of medical bills. Medical bills can bankrupt you in a hurry, unless you’re a billionaire.
Guess what? That ability to never be cancelled now DOES extend to us younger people! We have no lifetime cap on our health benefits! They can’t cancel us if we get sick! We don’t lose our healthcare if we get laid off! We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE. We can’t be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore!

There are GOOD things in this bill-Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are the real authors of it and they made sure there was help for everyone with personal responsibility included. If you want something to be angry about with Obama-be mad at him for copying the work others did and slapping his name on it!
 
Guess what? That ability to never be cancelled now DOES extend to us younger people! **We have no lifetime cap on our health benefits! They can’t cancel us if we get sick! We don’t lose our healthcare if we get laid off! We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE. We can’t be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore! **

There are GOOD things in this bill-Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are the real authors of it and they made sure there was help for everyone with personal responsibility included. If you want something to be angry about with Obama-be mad at him for copying the work others did and slapping his name on it!
Yay! It’s all FREE! My God in Heaven, how STUPID can anyone be?? None of this is free! The aim is to put insurance companies under, so the federal government can own you, lock, stock and barrel from the cradle (if you make it out of the womb alive) to the grave (when you are no longer worth anything to the state, decided upon by actuaries).

The absolutely stupidity of youth continues to astound me. NOTHING IS FREE!
 
Yay! It’s all FREE! My God in Heaven, how STUPID can anyone be?? None of this is free! The aim is to put insurance companies under, so the federal government can own you, lock, stock and barrel from the cradle (if you make it out of the womb alive) to the grave (when you are no longer worth anything to the state, decided upon by actuaries).

The absolutely stupidity of youth continues to astound me. NOTHING IS FREE!/

I PAY for my health care benefits thank you. However, I am pretty tired of paying for people who choose to buy big screen TV’s and more expensive cars than I can drive because they choose NOT to pay for health insurance. Then when they do get sick or hurt, the cost for their care is passed onto people like me who are responsible! Not anymore-now they’ll pay or get taxed!!!
 
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Guess what? That ability to never be cancelled now DOES extend to us younger people! We have no lifetime cap on our health benefits! They can’t cancel us if we get sick! We don’t lose our healthcare if we get laid off! We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE. We can’t be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions anymore!

There are GOOD things in this bill-Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are the real authors of it and they made sure there was help for everyone with personal responsibility included. If you want something to be angry about with Obama-be mad at him for copying the work others did and slapping his name on it!
Free? the government is making you buy one of their approved insurance plans for the rest of your life, or forcing u to pay a “tax”. Along w/ that there are 21 new tax increases still to come, 12 on families making less than 250,000 a year. how can anything in reality requiring people’s time and resources be FREE? it can’t. impossible. when the government says something is free it means it’s stealing from someone.

and yeah, the politicians really cared about you when they wrote thing…keep dreaming. its so great yet they exempted themselves and their families from this POS.
 
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Free? the government is making you buy one of their approved insurance plans for the rest of your life, or forcing u to pay a “tax”. Along w/ that there are 21 new tax increases still to come, 12 on families making less than 250,000 a year. how can anything in reality requiring people’s time and resources be FREE? it can’t. impossible. when the government says something is free it means it’s stealing from someone./

I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE. Now I will NOT have to continue to pay for those who choose not to pay for theirs.
 
I PAY FOR MY HEALTH CARE COVERAGE

Is it easier to understand in blue?
 
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Free? the government is making you buy one of their approved insurance plans for the rest of your life, or forcing u to pay a “tax”. Along w/ that there are 21 new tax increases still to come, 12 on families making less than 250,000 a year. how can anything in reality requiring people’s time and resources be FREE? it can’t. impossible. when the government says something is free it means it’s stealing from someone./

I PAY FOR MY HEALTH INSURANCE. Now I will NOT have to continue to pay for those who choose not to pay for theirs.
“We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE.”

yes, it does in all caps as well. Yes, you will, you will be paying for a ton of illegal immigrants my friend while receiving lower quality care. Wake up… Rome became an Empire on less promises to the plebs.
 
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“We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE.”

yes, it does in all caps as well. Yes, you will, you will be paying for a ton of illegal immigrants my friend while receiving lower quality care. Wake up… Rome became an Empire on less promises to the plebs.
Yes…you get those screenings for free if you PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE COVERAGE. If you do not pay…you get taxed.
 
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Yes…you get those screenings for free if you PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE COVERAGE
. If you do not pay…you get taxed.

yeah, it’s free if you pay… nah, they’re not covering those costs in the price of your MONTHLY policy… nah… it’s free man. The fact is you’re paying for those things many times over by the time you actually get around to using them…
 
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“We can get preventative screenings for diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and high cholesterol for FREE.”

yes, it does in all caps as well. Yes, you will, you will be paying for a ton of illegal immigrants my friend while receiving lower quality care. Wake up… Rome became an Empire on less promises to the plebs.
Psst…you’ve been paying for them for YEARS already…and if the Bishops get their way, they will be included in the ACA and will be allowed to purchase health care insurance so you can STOP paying for them.
 
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Psst…you’ve been paying for them for YEARS already…and if the Bishops get their way, they will be included in the ACA and will be allowed to purchase health care insurance so you can STOP paying for them.
yup, and continuing to pay for them with lower quality care to top it off, with a less qualified doctor to top it off.
 
They just allocated a portion of your salary for you, for the rest of your life, wasn’t that nice of them?

You can consider it a tax either way… and what other industries can they make us buy into now with penalty of a “tax” now that the precedent is set?

but keep celebrating this great VICTORY.
 
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yeah, it’s free if you pay… nah, they’re not covering those costs in the price of your MONTHLY policy… nah… it’s free man. The fact is you’re paying for those things many times over by the time you actually get around to using them…
I’ve got a great health care plan through my job and the new rules have made it even better. My premiums are very reasonable and now that my out of pocket costs are dropping it’s great. I’m grateful to Mitt Romney for his hard work. Too bad he’s being forced to run away from it now to win an election, but once he’s in office he can take the credit back. As long as it 's not called Obamacare anymore, most people will be happy with the plan and what it actually does.
 
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I’ve got a great health care plan through my job and the new rules have made it even better. My premiums are very reasonable and now that my out of pocket costs are dropping it’s great. I’m grateful to Mitt Romney for his hard work. Too bad he’s being forced to run away from it now to win an election, but once he’s in office he can take the credit back. As long as it 's not called Obamacare anymore, most people will be happy with the plan and what it actually does.
If he wins he better repeal it. He just made 4 million in one day to do just that. Although, I suspect he won’t. It was the most heartless passionless speech I’ve ever heard.

Glad your so thrilled with the freebies. Hope they continue to console you in the years to come b/c it’s gonna get worse… or, I guess in your view better.
 
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If he wins he better repeal it. He just made 4 million in one day to do just that. Although, I suspect he won’t. It was the most heartless passionless speech I’ve ever heard.

Glad your so thrilled with the freebies. Hope they continue to console you in the years to come b/c it’s gonna get worse… or, I guess in your view better.
He doesn’t have to repeal it…all he has to do is rename it and do a better job of selling it. People who have no idea what the plan actually does are defining it, but since he wrote it he’ll be able to get on TV that first week and list what it does line by line. Since his name isn’t Obama and he has an R in front of his name-suddenly this plan will become the greatest thing since sliced bread and the same people who hate it now will be singing it’s praises.

“Politics is weird and creepy, and now I know lacks the loosest attachment to anything like reality”. Shepard Smith
 
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He doesn’t have to repeal it…all he has to do is rename it and do a better job of selling it. People who have no idea what the plan actually does are defining it, but since he wrote it he’ll be able to get on TV that first week and list what it does line by line. Since his name isn’t Obama and he has an R in front of his name-suddenly this plan will become the greatest thing since sliced bread and the same people who hate it now will be singing it’s praises.

“Politics is weird and creepy, and now I know lacks the loosest attachment to anything like reality”. Shepard Smith
And this is how the two parties work together to collectively screw us on a daily basis. err, I mean help us…

If you think this is gonna change anything keep dreaming, they can’t deny you insurance but it says nothing of the individual claims. 16 million more customers, just as many denied claims. best of both worlds for the insurance companies. But remember, you can’t drop stop paying them now. Enjoy!
 
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