Argument about NDE (Near-Death Experiences)

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I brought this thread back to life in an effort to get a Catholic take. Catholics historically have always embraced the discoveries of science without a fear of it destroying their faith. Science is also of God.

I’ve always had a fascination with NDE’s. I’ve read Howard Storm, Raymond Moody, Kubler-Ross and others. Recently I’ve read the most intrigueing explanation by a neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, in this new book Proof of Heaven. He has a marvelous scientific and spiritual explanation of his own NDE experience.

Any priests of apologists read this book?
I might have heard a short story about him in other articles. NDE’s always interest me also. I have to believe that there is something missing in the stories in that if we have a fuller beatific vision then we probably would not be able to come back. God works in strange way like allowing to send His mother to us so why would he not allow a private revelation to be in the form of a NDE??
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Dr. Alexander refutes the possibilities that science up to now has used to explain NDE’s. He has some unique heavenly experiences as well as a miracle of recovery. He had a 97% mortality disease and fully recovered. It appears to be divine experience. He maintains a life changeing experience with an absolute belief in God after the experience.
 
Dr. Alexander refutes the possibilities that science up to now has used to explain NDE’s. He has some unique heavenly experiences as well as a miracle of recovery. He had a 97% mortality disease and fully recovered. It appears to be divine experience. He maintains a life changeing experience with an absolute belief in God after the experience.
I think I read the article about him on Spirit Daily’s website under something like an atheist surgeon has a NDE or something like that.
 
Had a very negative experience in 2003 during my last weeks of chemo. Don’t know if it was a NDE or near overdose of painkillers, but it was terrifying.Tim
 
He wasn’t really a non believer more agnostic. He occasionally went to church, Episcopalian, still a very good read. I actually listened to it as an audible book. I would really like to hear what Father Barron would have to say about it. I’ve never really heard a Catholic opinion on NDE.
 
Although I have not yet read the book written by Dr. Alexander, I have seen a couple of interviews he has given. He has self-identified himself as a “Christian”, Episcopalian by upbringing, but not very religious prior to his NDE.

For those wishing further information, I offer the following links:

Dr. Alexander’s biography:
eternea.org/Eben_Alexander/biography_eben.htm

New York Times interview:
mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_22210188/interview-dr-eban-alexander-iii-author-proof-heaven

Youtube interview:
youtube.com/watch?v=xYZoX4N5_YQ

The facet of NDEs I find interesting, is how each person going through a positive NDE seems to find a place that is in keeping with their religious background or expectations. Those that are “casual” Christians experience heaven and meet relatives and may or may not see Jesus, but they definitely identify God and an enormous sense of love and peace. Those that have a deep Christian conviction meet Jesus and converse with Him.

By the same token, I have read that religious Jews, Muslims, and Hindus that have had NDEs, seem to find “heaven” as their own religions envision them. Are there different heavens for different people? Or, as some previous posters have said, the NDE is a trick of the brain, and although there is a heaven, no one actually can see heaven until they permanently die? :confused:
 
Well, I’d say bless the Lord for the naturally occurring Ketamine compound!

To quote Albus Dumbledore, “Of course this is happening inside your head…why should that mean that it is not real?”
 
I’ve never heard the ketamine thing. Are you sure you don’t mean DMT because I’ve heard quite a bit about that in relation to NDE. Supposedly the brain produces it at death. I’ve never taken DMT but it’s known to cause mystical experiences with a spiritual realm. I’m skeptical of it all but don’t have a solid opinion one way or the other.
 
How can there be “colors which don’t exist here”? Do you believe that the spectrum of visible light increases after death? All this NDE stuff isn’t religion or theology, it is wishful thinking and superstition.
We can’t see most wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation, so if you could all of a sudden comprehend radiation in, for instance, the infrared or the ultraviolet, and experienced it differently than you had ever experienced any other color, I don’t know how else you’d describe it.

In this case, though, the person obviously isn’t experiencing anything in terms of radiation coming through their physical eyes. They are experiencing mental stimulii that are interpreted by the brain as visual stimuli.

So, assume that you have to describe in a biophysical sense what was happening when Joseph was told in a dream to take Mary as his wife or to go to Egypt…or you wanted to explain what was happening when you yourself had a dream. You do all sorts of stuff in your dreams that isn’t literally happening, but it isn’t either wishful thinking or superstition. It’s normal brain activity.

If we were telling someone who had no knowledge of visual stimuli of all the things that we experience as sight, of course we wouldn’t all be describing the same physical phenomenon from start to finish. We might all experience it the same, but that doesn’t mean it would all have had the same physical origin.

The interesting question is how many similarities there are in these experiences, particularly when they take place in someone who previously didn’t believe a word of it or who had never heard a word of it. Call it superstition, call it various experiences of the same unseen reality, but I think there is good reason to believe that our brain hardware usually comes pre-loaded with a lot of the same software.
 
I, too, have read a lot about NDE’s, and I find them fascinating. I just can’t understand how people can say they are not real, since so many people seem to have them.

Now, I have never in my entire life been to Africa. I have seen a lot of pictures of Africa. I know people who say that they have been there. Now, suppose I said that I don’t believe that there is such a place as Africa. Maybe the people who say they have been there just were imagining things. Wouldn’t you think I was a bit looney if I said that I don’t believe there is such a place as Africa? After all, I have never been there, so why should I believe that it really exists?

After all of the reports I have heard about life after death, I think it would be pretty silly if I said that I didn’t believe that there is life after death and that all of these people must be either lying or imagining things.
 
I brought this thread back to life in an effort to get a Catholic take. Catholics historically have always embraced the discoveries of science without a fear of it destroying their faith. Science is also of God.

I’ve always had a fascination with NDE’s. I’ve read Howard Storm, Raymond Moody, Kubler-Ross and others. Recently I’ve read the most intrigueing explanation by a neurosurgeon Eben Alexander, in this new book Proof of Heaven. He has a marvelous scientific and spiritual explanation of his own NDE experience.

Any priests of apologists read this book?
I’m neither a priest nor an apologist, but I read it in a free pdf: Proof of Heaven by Eban Alexander, MD

I wish I could have such an experience, it would make this world so much easier to bear.

I was thrown into a tailspin last night and more than anything, I just wanted to be dead. I was so terribly terribly depressed. 😦
 
No, the ketamine argument doesn’t work. There have been NDEs where people saw things that they could not have known existed like a particular shoe on the rooftop or a label on the inside of the light fixture which could only be seen from ceiling level, or a conversation among medical staff that took place down the hall.
 
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