Argumentation in Favor of Traditionalism

[scylla]

I find it interesting that you can come to such precise applications of “Modernism” when there was never a defined movement known as Modernism. Regardless of the fact that I think your whole post is hogwash, it nevertheless shows how people can spew out information about things that are simply their opinion but present it as fact.

Wow. What is hogwash about it?..This is pretty much directly from catechisms about Modernism.

What is precisely wrong with what I said… Isn’t it wrong to equate God with man and reduce God to merely just immanent. God is immanent but not only that He is transcendent. If I am off or inaccurate please correct me, but don’t just call names.

Maybe someone can explain Pascendi better than I and I would appreciate any people better versed than I who can explain. But I fail to see how this is hogwash in any way.

In Christ
Scylla

 

[wisdomseeker]

Ok…
I will try an explain some of the Modernist heresy, yet it is hard to understand, so stay with me as it so closely resembles Catholicism that many people get confused and think that Modernism is ok when they see it.

I am just a regular guy so forgive me if I make some mistake in explanation and please correct me if I am wrong.

Here is one point of Modernism, it is putting God on a level equal to us and based on us. So an example would be taking the presence of God explained in Sacrosanctum Concilium which essentially says the following…that God truly present as the Eucharist, He is present in the person of the Priest, the written Word proclaimed and in the assembly.

Now forget the Catholic understanding of the presence of God as being outside and independent of us as well as everywhere. The Modernist looks at God from a point of view that God is kind of equal to us.

So from a Modernist point of view, God is among us and in us already. Worship is just affirming our worth and view that we are part of God. God joined Himself to us and we thank Him, but that is about all God is to the Modernist, which leads to self worship.
It sounds close to the Catholic view, but it ultimately denies the majesty, the reality of God.
This leads to a self worship and a desire to put people first as “people” are God.
It sounds similar to the Catholic view, in which we see Jesus in our neighbors, we treat others with love as we are made in the image of God.

The two views are radically different. Yet, use much of the same language and sound similar. The Modernist view leads to confusion and ultimately if taken to its logical outcome, self worship.

There are also many who are confused by the modernist view of God so there is a mixture of belief and confusion that is common today.

There are other aspects to Modernism which I can elaborate on in another post, but this is the main part of the view of God.

If I have made any mis-statements or poor explanations feel free to correct me.

In Christ
Scylla

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[scylla]

So anyways… going back to Sacrosanctum Concilium… the presence of God.
The statement about the presence of God is interpreted in a couple ways…

The Modernist would see the presence of God as I described in the earlier post as all pretty much equal. We celebrate God in us and around us. So there is no need for a special devotion to the Eucharist as we have God within us. Sure if that is your thing it is ok but it really is a personal devotion. The Priest has the presence of God just like we do, which is a reason why for many Modernists female ordination is usually not a problem.

A Catholic with a Christian understanding of the faith understands that God is present in us when 2 or three are gathered, in the proclaimed Word yet there is a special significance to the Real Presence of God in the Eucharist. He is there Body, Blood, Soul Divinity. The wholly other eternal God is there among us people, which is why there is awe at the Mass. God of the Universe comes to us.
There is a special office the Priest holds as the one in Persona Christi. There is an understanding that God is above us and beyond us as well as everywhere. His values are not based upon human desire but entirely dependent upon His order.

Now again I always ask to be corrected if I am wrong and clarify my statements if I am unclear.

In Christ
Scylla

I can talk a bit more about Modernism if I have clearly explained about the understanding of God for Modernists. There is a bit more…