Arguments against evolution

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Techno2000 said:
In the ten thousand years or so that they say Human Man has been around, what species have diverge ?
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actually humans have been around quite a bit longer than that, the earliest Homo Sapien remains that have been found are closer to 200,000 years old. It’s possible humans have been around longer than that but that’s the oldest known fossil.
 
rossum said:
Bear in mind that I am Buddhist. For me the Bible is not a scriptural source.
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If you are truly interested in the truth then you need to get with the program.🙂

No matter your belief the Bible contains truth. You cannot make a case that the Bible end to end is false.
 
rossum said:
Bear in mind that I am Buddhist. For me the Bible is not a scriptural source.

I have no problem with that. Adam and Eve were the first two people with human souls. Science tells us that there were other members of the same biological species alive at the time who did not have souls. The Bible is silent on this point, unless the Nephilim (Genesis 6:1-4) were such. Science can say nothing of souls since souls are immaterial; they do not fossilise and cannot be found in DNA. There is nothing science can say about God picking two members of an existing hominid species and giving them souls. The official line of the Catholic Church is that there is no doctrinal problem with humans’ material bodies having evolved.

But it is not based on the words of the Buddha, so I do not see it as automatically authoritative. If the teaching can be found in the Tripitaka then I will see it differently.

Jesus died for “all men”. Since all men are hominids then I am sure you can make the logical inference.

Agreed. Sin is a Christian concept. It does not feature in Buddhism, science or plumbing. There are many fields of knowledge where sin does not feature at all.

Scientists will react against unscientific nonsense. They will react very strongly against attempts to insert unscientific nonsense into science lessons in schools.

rossum
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There’s no doctrinal problem? Where do you see that? Eve made by God from Adam’s Side. That’s a big one.

Oh yeah and “schools” which are surrounded by evolution supporters looking for signs of anti-evolution :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Peace,
Ed
 
Techno2000 said:
In the ten thousand years or so that they say Human Man has been around, what species have diverge ?
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We diverged as a species during that time (likely more like about 500k years). Humans in their present form didn’t exist 1 million years ago. Our ancient ancestors (not sure at what exact time) diverged into most of the apes you see today.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Ape_skeletons.png

Beyond that, look at the differences between Africans, Chinese, British, Philippinos, Native Americans, etc and you’ll see the beginnings of what were other diverges. The removal of separation between the groups has stopped a lot of the genetic drift though. Population separation is one of the primary reasons behind species diverging.
 
Techno2000 said:
What “populations” of animals are in the process of evolving/changing RIGHT NOW… Millions of years have gone by…I guess we’ll have to wait Millions more to find out.:rolleyes:
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All populations are changing. The speed of change varies. Every year there is a new flu strain - the flu virus is evolving. Insects develop immunity to insecticides - insects are evolving. Mammals tend to breed slower, so the evolution is not so obvious. One example I can think of is that due to poaching elephants are evolving smaller tusks; smaller tusks mean the animal is less likely to be killed by ivory poachers.

Do not get caught up in essentialist thinking; species are flexible and change over time.

rossum
 
rossum said:
Whatever creationist told you that was either lying or ignorant. Clearly they had never even bothered to read “On the Origin of Species”:If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.

If it could be proved that any part of the structure of any one species had been formed for the exclusive good of another species, it would annihilate my theory, for such could not have been produced through natural selection.
  • both from Chapter Six of Origins.
    Right from the start Darwin gave ways to falsify his theory. Indeed, Professor Behe has said that his idea of Irreducible Complexity was based on the first of those two falsifications suggested by Darwin.
It is telling that this “best” creationist argument is so easily refuted.

rossum
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I never said I accepted it – I just said it was the best I heard. btw the Dalai Lama was in my hometown recenetly (Vancouver) – I respect his desire for peace.👍
 
buffalo said:
If you are truly interested in the truth then you need to get with the program.🙂

No matter your belief the Bible contains truth. You cannot make a case that the Bible end to end is false.
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I would never attempt to make such a case. Where the Bible agrees with the Tripitaka it is true: “Love your neighbour as yourself” is perfectly correct. Where the Bible disagrees with the Tripitaka then it is wrong: “Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open”. (Hosea 13:16) is wrong.

I will say that the Bible is not a science book and should not be read as such.

rossum
 
edwest2 said:
There’s no doctrinal problem? Where do you see that? Eve made by God from Adam’s Side. That’s a big one.
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No. Science cannot detect any difference between a world in which Eve was an ensouled hominid like Adam or a world in which Eve was miraculously created from Adam’s rib. Since science cannot detect any difference then science can say nothing about whether or not a miracle took place.

rossum
 
rossum said:
I would never attempt to make such a case. Where the Bible agrees with the Tripitaka it is true: “Love your neighbour as yourself” is perfectly correct. Where the Bible disagrees with the Tripitaka then it is wrong: “Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open”. (Hosea 13:16) is wrong.

I will say that the Bible is not a science book and should not be read as such.

rossum
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So we can agree that some religions know more truth than others?

What was the author trying to convey?
 
rossum said:
All populations are changing. The speed of change varies. Every year there is a new flu strain - the flu virus is evolving. Insects develop immunity to insecticides - insects are evolving. Mammals tend to breed slower, so the evolution is not so obvious. One example I can think of is that due to poaching elephants are evolving smaller tusks; smaller tusks mean the animal is less likely to be killed by ivory poachers.

Do not get caught up in essentialist thinking; species are flexible and change over time.

rossum
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So if Man was after The Elephant Penis they would evolve smaller Penises.:D:D:D
 
rossum said:
Yes.

That we should love others as we love ourselves. That is an extraordinarily difficult thing to do when you think about it carefully.

rossum
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OK.

So will you settle that the CC is second only to Buddhism?😃

The message of Jesus. Very difficult indeed. To lay oneself down for his brother. Very few humans can do it.

It is revealing to study the ones who were able. What do they all have in common?
 
buffalo said:
OK.

So will you settle that the CC is second only to Buddhism?😃

The message of Jesus. Very difficult indeed. To lay oneself down for his brother. Very few humans can do it.

It is revealing to study the ones who were able. What do they all have in common?
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Brothers?
 
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