Arguments against reincarnation?

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RobedWithLight:
One more point.

Reincarnation is allegedly intended to allow people to achieve restitution for past mistakes, that is people are born again in a new body so that they can “correct” their mistakes in their previous life.

Yet, we don’t remember our past lives. None of us do.

But if we can’t remember what we once did in the previous life, how can you correct it?

It is a self-refuting concept.

Gerry 🙂
Rebirth is not to make restitution for a specific event, so no, you are not correcting something in a past life. Theravadan Buddhists belive that kamma is separated into two parts, wholesome (detachment from desires and charity) and unwholesome (hatred, greed). Each cycle of rebirth takes a person to one of three levels (of which there are six realms), hell, animal, hungry ghost, human, demi-god, devas. Ultimately, it’s about spirtitual purification, freeing oneself from desires.
 
Veronica Anne,
Thank you for sharing those links! I will shortly visit the sites.

To everyone who replied - a sincere “Thank you!”

with lovingkindness,
Buddha-Full
 
It seems wrong that i would have to pay for the sins of someone else. The things done in a previous life are not done by any definition of “Me” that i can accept . The environment, heredity, and choices of that person are not in any way known by me. In short, all the experiences of that previous life are as far from being me as I am unlike the tomato I had for lunch . I am like the Tomato in a very limited way but I don’t expect to pay for its sins.

The book already mentioned also asks an interesting question which led to the Buddhist authors conversion " Why is there something instead of nothing?"
 
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Townsend:
What are some arguments against the belief in reincarnation and karma?
Not much said yet about karma.

One post noted that it has to do with “what goes around comes around.” True, in that the observation of that phenomenon in the world no doubt led to its explaination via karma. But for the Christian, there is a problem with karma.

Karma is presented as an impersonal force. It’s a bit like gravity – it’s there, and it has certain effects. But for the Christian, there is a reason for the observation that prompts the idea of karma. St. Paul told us we will reap what we sow – analogous to the idea of karma – but for the reason that God will not be mocked. So, rather than dealing with an impersonal force, we are dealing with a Creator who is a personal being.

Basically, karma comes from the pantheist/monist idea that all is God (like Shirley MacLean’s famous claim that she was God :rolleyes: ) and God is not a personal entity. But to the theist, be he Christian, Hebrew, or Muslim, such a conception of God is counter to God’s revelation of himself, and so karma, which flows from a pantheist concept of God, is rejected.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
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AmandaPS:
Rebirth is not to make restitution for a specific event, so no, you are not correcting something in a past life. Theravadan Buddhists belive that kamma is separated into two parts, wholesome (detachment from desires and charity) and unwholesome (hatred, greed). Each cycle of rebirth takes a person to one of three levels (of which there are six realms), hell, animal, hungry ghost, human, demi-god, devas. Ultimately, it’s about spirtitual purification, freeing oneself from desires.
That is the buddhist view of reincarnation.

I was actually directing my point against the general/popular variant of reincarnation, not the classic views of established eastern religions like Buddhism.

Gerry
 
Why do you need to argue reincarnation? Why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs instead of trying to prove them wrong. People always wanting to convert others is why religions cant live in peace and cause so many problems.
 
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siamesecat:
Why do you need to argue reincarnation? Why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs instead of trying to prove them wrong. People always wanting to convert others is why religions cant live in peace and cause so many problems.
Who’s arguing?

And if you have something valuable, is it not good to share it?

And blaming a lack of peace and the presence of problems on religion is somewhat simplistic. Remember: Nazis and Communists in World War II fought the most savage war in the 20th century, and religion had nothing to do with it.

And, given what’s at stake in eternity, belief in reincarnation is not at all without its hazards.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
A good argument from a philosopher’s point of view is using the principle of psychosomatic unity. According to this principle, the body and soul are not wholly independant of eachother, but rather intricately intertwained. We are not just bodies, but neither are we just spirits, we are both material and immaterial, body and soul. Reincarnation however teaches that the soul can seperate from the body and yet still be the same person once entered into a new body, however according to psychosomatic unity not so, for we are not just spirits but the totality of our person is both our bodies and spirits. Hope that helps.
 
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siamesecat:
Why do you need to argue reincarnation? Why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs instead of trying to prove them wrong. People always wanting to convert others is why religions cant live in peace and cause so many problems.
It is the overall drive for truth. Unity without truth is superficial. We may saw we accept all and are united but what are we really united in? Furthermore, if you know a truth, especially one of such great importance, is it not our duty to share this nugget of wisdom? The only reason you may not want to share it is because you either simply do not care enough about the truth or you do not care enough about others. Wisdom is a communal edifying force which can increase the common good. Furthermore, religion is not the cause of all the worlds problems, as many secularists assert. More often then not it is economic and political goals that have caused more pain than religion, especially one in a secularists age such as ours which has seen more bloodshed and pain than any other.
 
Hello,

Glad you found the link and book suggestion helpful. Just wanted to let you know that I’ve come accross a couple of articles that might be of further help on the reincarnation question. There is a popular article on reincarnation from a Catholic perspective which originally appeared in Our Sunday Visitor posted at the Catholic Culture website. It is by Mike Aquilina and is titled *“Come again? Is Belief in Reincarnation Becoming Popular Again?” *It can be found at:
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=198
The same site has a more technical philosophically informed critique of reincarnation by philosopher Marie I. George. It was originally published in the journal Faith and Reason and is titled *“Reincarnation Western-Style: the Resurgence of Age-old Superstition in a Scientific Era”. *It can be found at:
catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=547

There is another book, which Catholic Answers recommends, on reincarnation by a Dominican. It’s the only book that I know of on reincarnation from a Catholic perspective. It is by Edmond Robillard and is titled "Reincarnation: Illusion or Reality?" published by Alba House, 1992. Another book that offers an illuminating theological perspective on reincarnation is Cardinal Schonborn’s book “From Death to Life: The Christian Journey” published by Ignatius Press.
Hope these suggestions are useful.
 
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siamesecat:
Why do you need to argue reincarnation? Why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs instead of trying to prove them wrong. People always wanting to convert others is why religions cant live in peace and cause so many problems.
Reincarnation clearly contradicts the teaching of the Resurrection, and hence it contradicts Christianity.

The Bible denies it.

The Church Fathers condemned it.

Belief in reincarnation leads to a denial of objective moral standards, the existence of evil, and divine justice.

Gerry 🙂
 
Hello,

I’m new to this forum, and sort of new to Catholicism. After having lived the last 12 or so years essentially as a Buddhist, I’ve been attracted or drawn to learning more about the Catholic Church, to the point of seriously considering conversion (I spent my first 20 years as a Baptist). What took me from Christianity to Buddhism in the first place was a reading of the Bhagavad Gita, a Hindu text, in which the idea of reincarnation was invoked to explain how God is able to help mankind defeat evil in the world. As soon as I read that verse in the Gita, it was liked a light going off in my head. It made perfect sense – at least in terms of giving a plausible explanation for the apparent injustice in human society.

Hindu ideas of reincarnation are pretty diverse – some Hindus even reject the idea outright (though for some very different reasons!). Buddhist thought on this issue, though, seems more systematic, so my views have mostly been influenced by Buddhist musings.

I won’t discuss any weaknesses or strengths of the Buddhist idea of rebirth (which is different from the common Hindu or even “New Age” ideas of reincarnation), in relationship to Christian ideas of non-rebirth. In my opinion, both ideas have strengths and weaknesses; it’s good to know both systems, so that one doesn’t fall into an extremist position on either side. Studying Catholicism – whatever else it has done – has shown me that even if rebirth makes more sense to me logically, that Truth, or God, is really beyond logic, while including it as well.

I think what most attracted me to the idea of reincarnation/rebirth is its rejection of the idea of an “eternal hell”. I dare say that that is what attracts many Americans to the idea. From the Buddhist standpoint, this doesn’t mean that hell doesn’t exist – indeed, hells are numerous, but they are never “eternal”. The Buddha often spoke of the reality of hell, and the need for people to realize that their actions really do have consequences, consequences that would determine their experiences for eons and eons.

Catholic doctrine rejects reincarnation/rebirth, but there are ways to interpret Christian and Buddhist ways of understanding the afterlife that could show that those two are not merely incompatible. I won’t speculate on those ways here, but in my Buddhist-influenced study of Catholicism, I was heartened recently by a poster who gave me the image of the Holy Virgin Mary of Fatima, holding the flames of eternal hell in the palm of her hand.

SedesDomi
 
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