Arise Institution - 7th Day Adventist [sect]

[IronMike59]

I have a sister currently being ‘schooled’ in “ARISE”. Based on what I know of Adventism, it’s what I don’t know about the ARISE founder that concerns me insofar as [cults]. Is there any data out there to support need of “exit counseling” if I can dissaude her current attitude?

 

[look3467]

I have a sister currently being ‘schooled’ in “ARISE”. Based on what I know of Adventism, it’s what I don’t know about the ARISE founder that concerns me insofar as [cults]. Is there any data out there to support need of “exit counseling” if I can dissuade her current attitude?

First, Jesus paid the price for her soul, so you should not concern yourself with that part.

Now, as for the other, well, she is seeking to love God in her own way. If she finds satisfaction in it, she will remain there for a while. Eventiually, as she grows in spirit, the Lord may lead her away from there to other or maybe even back to the Catholic church.

Only God knows how to lead us to where the most good is accomplished in our selves and still receive the love an adoration, for it is in our hearts that He sees our true motives.

Blessings, AJ

 

[IronMike59]

I’m currently reading Fr. Larry Gesy’s 1st book on cults having read his 2nd "The Hem of His Garmet. I learned several months ago that my sister had become interested in Adventisism after having been schooled in some other holistic healing enterprise, also after having encountered divorce. She meets the whole 9 yards of ‘a target’ of opportunity. Whether that’s what she actually is, I can’t say. Based on Fr. Gesy [who is an expert in the occult] describes various personalities, I see my sister with this HUGE target painted on her back. However, in reading his other book, I also know and truly believe God has His intended path for each of us. I have my own personal story as a true gauge of fact.
You message had a dual meaning for me. It supported my emotional interest insofar as my sister’s faith foundation but likewise validated my persistent impatience…I guess with my Creator. Pray for me. He knows I need it and I will be the 2nd to 2nd that fact.
G.K. Chesterton, “Thanks are the greatest form of praise!”]

Thanks, IrtonMike now 63

 

[Richard_Kastner]

I have a sister currently being ‘schooled’ in “ARISE”. Based on what I know of Adventism, it’s what I don’t know about the ARISE founder that concerns me insofar as [cults]. Is there any data out there to support need of “exit counseling” if I can dissaude her current attitude?

I’m a Seventh Day Adventist and I have never heard of ARISE. What is it supposed to be?

 

[benidict]

I have a sister currently being ‘schooled’ in “ARISE”. Based on what I know of Adventism, it’s what I don’t know about the ARISE founder that concerns me insofar as [cults]. Is there any data out there to support need of “exit counseling” if I can dissaude her current attitude?

hi brother. are you sure, this is an Adventist organization? or is it another protestant organiztion like youth for Christ and the like. would you have a web site for it? im having trouble finding any info, even on google. i have found some, that seem to be run by more mainstream protestant organiztions, i also found a guy by the name of ed bensen, who runs an ARISE life skills foundation for youth. but it seems secular. i could very well be wrong. what is the founders name? Peace to you and yours

 

[IronMike59]

see www.Ariseinstitute.com. Based on the info I can glean from that website, the main visual player is David Asscherick. You’ll find multiple hits if you search on both the organization and/or his name: the net data all point to the man.
My main interest is the organization within the organization. Most often, the question then arises as to what purpose is this organization and, if Love of God & Neighbor is it, it will eventual bear fruit.
I somehow see large $$ here with the general work force coming from individuals like my sister. Asscherick insofar as his outward demeanor as well as presentation, fits all the visual queues of: easy on the eyes, well polished, seemingly knowing, and well schooled business ‘moderator’.
I guess I need to understand that, like all product sales strategies, you must endure volume exposure to ensure overall sales. The condensed bible study coarse offered over 5weeks at the particular location, and I think he has more then one in US, costs [at base] $400.00. I have no information of ‘graduate’ activity after-the-fact. I assume if one is lead to follow, and they answer their call, they will follow.

 

[agent_grey]

This is the single most dangerous cult on the planet. She will be in my prayers.

 

[IronMike59]

My next comment will be an attempt at Christian Charity. After reading further into Fr. Gesy’s “Today’s Destructive Cults and Movements”, I am persuaded by his argument using Christ’s words at his arrest in the Garden. When Peter cuts off the servants ear, Jesus tells him to put away the sword [live by/die by] and goes on further to say…“do you not suppose that I can ask my Father for anything and at a moments notice He could send 12 legions of angels…and more…”
Also, one of the documents of Vatican II, Dignitatis Humanae, clearly spells out that we, as Christians, have no right to interfere with the human person. God created man with free will and it is his [man’s] duty thru his “earthly life” to find the truth and choose God…whether quickly, slowly, or not at all is not the point. We are not to use one gift [faith] to batter another gift [free will] into submission. The Creator has His Plan. We as Christians are asked ‘to proclaim Him’ not to defend’ Him.
I, too, will pray for my sister.

IronMike63

 

[Richard_Kastner]

My next comment will be an attempt at Christian Charity. After reading further into Fr. Gesy’s “Today’s Destructive Cults and Movements”, I am persuaded by his argument using Christ’s words at his arrest in the Garden. When Peter cuts off the servants ear, Jesus tells him to put away the sword [live by/die by] and goes on further to say…“do you not suppose that I can ask my Father for anything and at a moments notice He could send 12 legions of angels…and more…”
Also, one of the documents of Vatican II, Dignitatis Humanae, clearly spells out that we, as Christians, have no right to interfere with the human person. God created man with free will and it is his [man’s] duty thru his “earthly life” to find the truth and choose God…whether quickly, slowly, or not at all is not the point. We are not to use one gift [faith] to batter another gift [free will] into submission. The Creator has His Plan. We as Christians are asked ‘to proclaim Him’ not to defend’ Him.
I, too, will pray for my sister.

IronMike63

I don’t think you have a lot to worry about Mike. This from About Us on the link you provided.

What we do.
More and more people, men and women, young and old, are seeing the darkness that is covering the earth and the deep darkness covering the people and are heeding the call to ARISE. Many sincere Christians have the desire to witness for Christ, but are held back by one thing – fear. They are afraid that they will not be able to do an effective job. They are afraid there will be questions they cannot answer; they are afraid of rejection. These same individuals are realizing that Jesus has given to them the responsibility to take the Gospel to this corrupted world, in spite of their fears, with the promise that He will be with them. When they step out in faith and answer the call to ARISE, they find that preparation, and practical witnessing experience is the antidote to all of their fears. With these fears dispelled, sharpened swords, and reinforced armor they courageously ARISE for battle and begin working like never before for the salvation of souls.

This appears to be an evangelistc school whose intent and purpose is the winning of souls for Christ. If she subscribes to the tennets espoused there, she will do well.

 

[IronMike59]

Well, let’s just say my fundemental fear, as a practicing Catholic, stems from deep roots. My sister, my youngest, has probably made her first [adult] decision in her life with regards to Christianity. We can hope she finds solace in knowledge and takes these truths with her as she responds to her call. God has His Plan. We’re all part of it!

With you in Christ,

IronMike63

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Well, let’s just say my fundemental fear, as a practicing Catholic, stems from deep roots. My sister, my youngest, has probably made her first [adult] decision in her life with regards to Christianity. We can hope she finds solace in knowledge and takes these truths with her as she responds to her call. God has His Plan. We’re all part of it!

With you in Christ,

IronMike63

I’ll pray for you both.

 

[Holly3278]

What creeps me out the most about this institution is that they don’t even provide the bare bones of their beliefs on their site! It would seem that in order to learn anything about them, you have to apply for some class. No offense to anyone involved with this group but to me that seems like a MAJOR red flag to me!

 

[benidict]

What creeps me out the most about this institution is that they don’t even provide the bare bones of their beliefs on their site! It would seem that in order to learn anything about them, you have to apply for some class. No offense to anyone involved with this group but to me that seems like a MAJOR red flag to me!

yes. and they also have a part in their called BIBLE BOOT CAMP! :bigyikes: thats a red flag also. i wonder if they make them recite passages while sealed in a room with c.s. gas? lol! been there done that. YUCK! or maybe they sleep deprive them to better instill the lessons:hypno: either way if it says boot camp,its not something i would want to go through…again! Peace

 

[IronMike59]

Any present day any [practicing] “mainstream” Christian mostlikely has a knee-jerk reaction to fundamental* ists* and isms. Those in the know recognize this and they call us to recollect our purpose and progress as we pass thru this phase of our life.
As you can see from my initial post and subsequent commentary, I executed what I will term as a perfect ‘Chinese Fire Drill’ and panicked when I heard the that little guy in the back of my head yell “FIRE!”. What’s really amazing, as I think about it, I would not have panicked if I had heard otherwise that my sister had decided to return to the faith of her birth heritage [Roman Catholic]. If I were a 7th-Day Adventist and the situation reversed, I somehow see a very similar response.
Be that as it may, if you read the data on the much studied phenomenon of the steady regression from mainstream Christianity to the fundamentalism of Adventistism, you can’t possible miss the question “What are the Adventists doing?”…not “what are *They * doing” but what are they, these who believe in Jesus Christ, doing. My answer comes back to me in it’s basic form: the same thing we’re asked to do - Proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior! Let’s not go there - our history gives ample fire for mutual disagreement. We know God has a plan to graft back the Main Branch before the Parousia. We only separate ourselves and delay the process with disagreement. It’s not ours to say who will be found among the sheep and who among the goats.
I think I’ve been able to satisfy myself in relation to my original post. God bless all of you and especially my command in arms - Salve Regina!

IronMike63 - Semper Fi

 

[look3467]

“Discovery” is a 7th day Adventist view on the end times scenario.

But like all end time scenario’s put out there, none of them are exact, all are guess work.

I to saw an ad in the paper about the teaching of the end times called “discovery” here in my town at the 7th day Adventist church.

At the time I went, I was seeking to find the truth about it and this one seemed at least an attempt to show me what it was that they saw to be the end times days.

Well, after the first 30 minutes, I could not take any more of it because it was focused directly at demonizing one church.

I knew better so I walked out.

I since have come to my own conclusions, found new material and feel strongly that I have found answers to this big mystery of the end times.

I see that God included all of mankind regardless of beliefs into the works of Jesus in the salvation of mankind period with no other options!

The bible speaks to us in repetitive pictures, multiplied many times to where one of those pictures may give us understanding into God’s mysteries.

The Adventist’s view is no different than any other view in that the interpretation follows organizational beliefs.

I have a view that is totally different, less threatening, that shows the works of God via pictures, symbols, visions, numbers and human history stories that gives us a clear picture of God’s love for us, rather than one which shows God’s wrath upon all of humanity not looking for God as an end time scenario.

If God were a God that would turn His anger towards His own creation, it would only discredit Him as a loving God, one which would go against what Jesus spoke of as “loving our enemies”.

As you all study the word, which ever way you do it, keep that in mind so that the picture of a loving God remains at the forefront.

Once one has found that God is love, one can only look at the world with compassion, leading us to share God in practice, hopefully winning some to His side; not in attempting top convert, but to allow the holy Spirit to work via our presentations.

Blessings, AJ

 

[IronMike59]

One of, and probably the most critical, parts of my personality is Impatience. Couple that with wanting to be my own man and you have ME [all of me]. I was born into my my faith, schooled into it, churched into it, and believe it without a doubt. Now, if you ask me “in practice” how I’ve faired, I will have to confess that I have done combat with God one-on-one since adolescence and most often only found myself on my knees pleading for help at those times I called “usual”. I had six children. When the only son died, I started ‘caving’ making plans to be something other then what I am. However, His Plan succeeded. I could find no rest other then in His arms. I thru in the towel about 4 years ago and am now teaching CCD.
The surviving 5 are experiencing this world just like we all do but, because they are the latch-key kids of divorce as well as adults in their own rite, they have and continue to make choices which, up and until this past week’s epiphany, dwelled heavy on my heart. For want of other word - they’re pagans. I even have one who is well educated who currently believes there is no life after death, that all matter is relative, and nothing really goes away but has always been around [cosmic dust].
As for my heart, you know where it is but this forum and other supportive information has at least brought my interest into real focus.
As for Escatalogy, I guess every one wonders about that. I’m not concerned about that. I know I face particular judgement soon as I’m on this side of my mountain. As for the Parousia, that will come to. We have no right to claim Heaven. It’s promised but only as an unmerited gift. That’s why we hope in God’s Mercy.
As for God’s Wrath: His Wrath is His Love. When man positions himself in opposition to receiving God’s Love the exact opposite is the effect: we don’t receive it. A simple analogy would be sunlight: if the world didn’t rotate on it’s axis, one side of the world would be constantly cold [wrath] and the other side a constant warm [love]. God extends His Graces to those He deems worthy of His Gifts. I ask for more every day. Today I asked for what I need most. I have proof I still need more [patience].

Salve Regina, IronMike63

 

[look3467]

One of, and probably the most critical, parts of my personality is Impatience.>>>IronMike63

Only a problem when answers are not readily.

Couple that with wanting to be my own man and you have ME [all of me]>>> IronMike63

You are your own man in that you are as a god of your own life. By that I mean that God’s gift to you is the ability to reason, to make judgments between two opposites, Good and evil.

I was born into my my faith, schooled into it, churched into it, and believe it without a doubt>>> IronMike63

That is a good thing and something that many don’t have.

… Now, if you ask me “in practice” how I’ve faired, I will have to confess that I have done combat with God one-on-one since adolescence and most often only found myself on my knees pleading for help at those times I called “usual”. I had six children.>>> IronMike63

Mike, life was meant to be a trial; otherwise we wouldn’t learn a thing. How we cope with life’s trials depends on our upbringings, and beliefs and our maturity level.

When the only son died, I started ‘caving’ making plans to be something other then what I am. However, His Plan succeeded. I could find no rest other then in His arms. I thru in the towel about 4 years ago and am now teaching CCD.

And that was because He loves you!

The surviving 5 are experiencing this world just like we all do but, because they are the latch-key kids of divorce as well as adults in their own rite, they have and continue to make choices which, up and until this past week’s epiphany, dwelled heavy on my heart.>>> IronMike63

If I can set your heart at rest about the spiritual state and condition of your kids would you look at them differently? What I mean is that Christ died for all mankind bar none! That includes all your kids regardless of what they believe.
Now, if you can believe that, you can rest knowing that their souls are secure in Jesus whether they know it or not.

The problem is, as you stated above quote “The surviving 5 are experiencing this world just like we all do”.

Meaning that: making good decisions, good judgments are our sole responsibility and subject to consequences and or blessing while in the flesh.

The key is to demonstrate to them your faith and your walk with God in such a manner that they may be led to come to God because of His loving kindness, and not what we all may think, as His anger.

For want of other word - they’re pagans. I even have one who is well educated who currently believes there is no life after death, that all matter is relative, and nothing really goes away but has always been around [cosmic dust]. >>> IronMike63

Pagans or not, they are still your kids and just like our father God, we are still His regardless.
In God’s house, domain, spiritual realm lays a vast amount of forgiveness, and unmerited love towards us, His creation.

If we were not aware of that, we would find it really hard to come to Him with our problems.

Blessings, AJ

 

[IronMike59]

My challenge now is working on “how to act.” By that I mean, this current character has been stopped…dead in his tracts…with reality. To quote Chesterton, “Somethings are just to big to be seen.” That obviously isn’t an end-all statement because somethings eventually, or should I say “hopefully”, will be seen. Again, you see my disordered personality. God’s Time is apparently not currently on my schedule All this just has a big question mark. I sense I’m drowning [self-pity] trying to save someone drowning who doesn’t know they might…and they’re my own kids. Boy, there’s tears with that one. What’s really unique - they could have made these same choices had they had even the best religious education and family upbringing. Life does have a way of acticulating current Reality!

Thanks for the comfort, AJ. I need to devote some time with some one-on-One. I think His Mom may need to let Him know “they have no wine”. I especially like that scene: I almost wonder why they even exchanged words each knowing the other as they did.

IronMike63

 

[look3467]

I to have raised six kids. And what I thought my kids would be like wasn’t that way at all.
I pictured them as like me, like as I thought and as like I believed.

Well, everything I did not do they tried it.

So, I’ve learned to place them in God’s hands rather than on mine, since I had no power to change anything about them.

Trusting in God to work on His schedule is of course to us to long. But you see, each one of us must, and I say must experience things in this world in order to be thought some lesson of which only God knows when would be the appropriate time to engage a change in us.

Every child must challenge this world in order to gain any ground , and sometimes it leads to some very difficult situations and or circumstances.

We can not protect them from the world but must instead pray them through it.

We have to let God as their parent work for us when we can no longer do it, except to lift them up in prayer daily.

In my view, their souls are safe in Jesus, but their behavior is totally their responsibility.

It pains us as parents to see our children suffer, especially when they don’t have to, but then again, it is the experience that is needed in order for them to see clearly.

You know that we were placed in a dark room/world to start with, and then a light was introduced so that we could be drawn to it to see our way about.

When we do embrace the light, the darkness no longer controls our seeing.

We can only live our lives in the light, so that those still in the dark may see the light in us and want the same thing.

Blessings, AJ