Aristotle vs. Aquinas on Contraries

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Stabbing in the eye is not against natural law, for that can be done in war. Doing it against an innocent person does not make it against natural law, just against the conscience of the doer. Same with fornication. But masturbation and homosexuality have haecceity, and how can a all perfect God sustain those acts? Why can’t devils be involved?
 
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Stabbing in the eye is not against natural law, for that can be done in war. Doing it against an innocent person does not make it against natural law, just against the conscience of the doer. Same with fornication. But masturbation and homosexuality have haecceity, and how can a all perfect God sustain those acts? Why can’t devils be involved?
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I never said the devil can’t be involved. I’m saying it is God alone who is sustaining creation and all its activity in existence.

It exists because of God’s perfection.

I have never come across the idea that when somebody masturbates their existence and therefore their activity is being sustained by the devil. Thats ridiculous.
 
Its much more ridiculous to impugn a perfect God with doing it., Two men having sex… can God really sustain that or is He imperfect enough?
 
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Its much more ridiculous to impugn a perfect God with doing it., Two men having sex… can God really sustain that or is He imperfect enough?
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It may seem that way, but God is the being through which and by which we move and have our existence.

The devil has powers which are an expression of his angelic nature, but his nature does not have the power to sustain things in existence because is nature is not existence - he is merely sustained in existence; only God’s nature has that power.

Its just a fact that follows logically from the fact that God is the creator.

God, through his power, permits unnatural acts to exist. Its God’s mercy, and his mercy is perfect. Your mercy is imperfect, since you would choose not to sustain their existence.
 
Like in Hinduism there is brahman who is the creator and vishnu who is the sustainer, I think angels can be given the power, not to create from nothing, but to sustain homosexual acts. This seems to be necessary, since no explanation can be given how a perfect God could do such Himself
 
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Like in Hinduism there is brahman who is the creator and vishnu who is the sustainer, I think angels can be given the power, not to create from nothing, but to sustain homosexual acts. This seems to be necessary, since no explanation can be given how a perfect God could do such Himself
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He may sustain the act in existence, but we make the free choice. God is not guilty of our sin; he is merciful to allow us to continue to exist.
 
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Like in Hinduism there is brahman who is the creator and vishnu who is the sustainer, I think angels can be given the power, not to create from nothing, but to sustain homosexual acts. This seems to be necessary, since no explanation can be given how a perfect God could do such Himself
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The power to sustain things in existence is identical or intrinsic to God’s nature. It does not and cannot exist apart from his nature as a separate thing. God is sustaining the nature of created things eternally and this is to say he is always sustaining it. God does not change.
 
Reworking the idea of who can sustain something in creation presents far fewer problems than saying God sustains homosexual acts. Like I was saying on another thread, we can’t even say God allows animal pain without believing the animals receives greater joy because of it. NOTHING wrong to be imputed to God, not a single tiny thing
 
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Reworking the idea of who can sustain something in creation presents far fewer problems than saying God sustains homosexual acts. Like I was saying on another thread, we can’t even say God allows animal pain without believing the animals receives greater joy because of it. NOTHING wrong to be imputed to God, not a single tiny thing
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But it is not in the nature or capacity of any creature to sustain its own existence, let alone that of other creatures.

Even granting your “reworking,” i.e. that God does not sustain evil acts in existence, rather that creatures with malicious intent do; the person committing the evil act would still be the one who is culpable, not the devil or any other creature. God’s sovereignty permeates everything in creation, but permits the exercise of human freedom nevertheless. This does not make God culpable of our sin.
 
The God I believe in is too Holy-OTHER to have sustain male bodies as they have sex with each other, and powerful enough to grant that power to a creature. See you on another thread!
 
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The God I believe in is too Holy-OTHER to have sustain male bodies as they have sex with each other, and powerful enough to grant that power to a creature. See you on another thread!
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God granted all humans that power to determine how they are going to act (including the most offensive sins).
God is also the reason they exist.
These two things are not mutually exclusive. Nor does one preclude the other,
 
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