Arizona Immigration law

[Jerusha]

I find it very distressing. If it were implemented properly, it might be useful in some cases. However, I can also visualize the police sitting in their cars, waiting for people leaving Spanish mass, ready to descend on suspicious-looking people speaking a language other than English.

I am sure that no Catholic police officers would participate in such an action , but as for LDS ones, I am sure that some are salivating at the prospects.

It is just a downright bad law, because of the many loopholes for its abuse.

Comments?

 

[Bill_Cherry]

I find it very distressing. If it were implemented properly, it might be useful in some cases. However, I can also visualize the police sitting in their cars, waiting for people leaving Spanish mass, ready to descend on suspicious-looking people speaking a language other than English.

I am sure that no Catholic police officers would participate in such an action , but as for LDS ones, I am sure that some are salivating at the prospects.

It is just a downright bad law, because of the many loopholes for its abuse.

Comments?

Unfortunately, absolution does not erase the crimes against the state.

However, I agree it is a bad law. My guess it that it will only serve to increase racial tensions. I am wondering if that is what they want.

I moved from Phoenix about 2 years ago. I spent most of my life all over the state in the county and city, From Sierra Vista to Flagstaff and from Wickenberg to Sholo.

I know for a fact that races can mingle and be friends. But, this sort of legislation is encouraged from people who are influenced heavily by forces we do not see. Much like what has happened to create the European Union, there is a push in the Americas to do the same. A racial uprising or fear of one would be the excuse needed for Mexico and the United States to open its borders for economic reasons. Since the Latino population is demograghically lower income, or ‘poor’, it will be excused as economic equality.

Yeah. It was a very bad idea in a sociological sense.

Economically, it could be a boon in the long run. But only if people refuse to make distinctions based on race.

ps. I live in Utah.

 

[chain]

Social Justice requires we respect the inherent dignity of all people. It does not require us to ignore immigration law. I believe the Pope himself noted that the first step to immigration issues is ensuring people have the choice not to - that we develop societies where there is freedom of politics, faith and employment so that no one would be forced to find a better life elsewhere…

I grew up in South Texas. A core part of our community has always been of Hispanic decent (with many of these families having lived in the area for 4+ generations). There is little to no racism involved here - but there is an issue with a group being subject to our laws and one being outside of our legal system. Nobody is apposed to reform, but amnesty is a very dirty word to people who have spent the time and effort of naturalization.

Personally I think the biggest part of the problem is our own birthrates. If Americans (regardless of historical ancestry) would have a higher birthrate, I think the cultural changes caused by immigration would be more easily absorbed without radically changing our society.

 

[1ke]

I find it very distressing. If it were implemented properly, it might be useful in some cases. However, I can also visualize the police sitting in their cars, waiting for people leaving Spanish mass, ready to descend on suspicious-looking people speaking a language other than English.

Can you post that section of the law? I can’t seem to find it.

It is just a downright bad law, because of the many loopholes for its abuse.

Comments?

Have you read it?

 

[Redratfish]

I find it very distressing. If it were implemented properly, it might be useful in some cases. However, I can also visualize the police sitting in their cars, waiting for people leaving Spanish mass, ready to descend on suspicious-looking people speaking a language other than English.

I am sure that no Catholic police officers would participate in such an action , but as for LDS ones, I am sure that some are salivating at the prospects.

It is just a downright bad law, because of the many loopholes for its abuse.

Comments?

Just because a law has loopholes, doesn’t make it a bad law.

There are loopholes in every law thats passed. Free speech has loop holes that are abused by groups like the KKK, should we get rid of free speech, or restrict it?

No, the fact is that people are breaking the law, and all the politicians care about is getting the Hispanic vote. Its time for it to end.

 

[Darkbloom]

I find it positively maddening that such a huge proportion of the debate over illegal immigration stems from suppositions about peoples motivations; how those who are against amnesty are racists, how the illegals are only doing what Americans would do if the roles were reversed, etc.

Trying to going inside another’s mind and figure out why he or she does something is 1) purely speculative, and 2) moot. There is one iron clad, empirically verifiable fact that gets crowded out of the debate; people are breaking the law.

One of the most fundamental causes of America’s wealth is stability and the rule of law. If people flee a nation that is besieged by corruption, where drug cartels are in open revolt of the government, and go to somewhere more stable by breaking a law, they are working to undo their place of refuge.

 

[Jerusha]

Some very well thought out responses here.

From what I saw in SW Kansas, the stake-out after Spanish Mass in some areas is a reasonable, and highly illegal scenario. Awareness of such a possibility is the first line of defense.

Always buy “Hecho in Mexico” when given the option.

azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf